Next Generation Academy 2021

[Whispering_Jack 28,010]

The AFL has issued a list of players available to the club as members of the Next Generation Academy:-

MELBOURNE

Cody Egan

Deakin Pereira

Reggie Gallagher

Joey Ryan Koo Kwet Kim

Antonio Quach

Kobi George

Mac Andrew

Ariki Lowe

Jacob Sengstock

Richard Riek Gai

Andrew Moniz-Wakefield

NGA crop revealed: Freo gets first call on son of Power, Roos gun

[Whispering_Jack 28,010]

Deakin Pereira and Kobi George have been on the list for a while. Pereira is the big unit who looked very impressive at training in late 2019 but was trying out for a career on the US basketball scene. His mother was good enough to post here at the time and it would be good to hear how he went or even if he made it to the States given the Covid19 pandemic might have affected the aspirations of young basketballers over there last year.

[Turner 1,482]

+ taj woewodin ie eligable for us as F/S and also in someone else's academy if i'm not mistaken?

[MikeAlphaTango 150]

Andy Moniz-Wakefield has played NTFL this year for Nightcliff. Has been in the best on a couple of occasions and was awarded rising star on debut.

https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/tag/andy-moniz-wakefield/

 

[Whispering_Jack 28,010]

Many of the names on the MFC list have been around for a few years and some could have been selected at the end of 2020. I wouldn’t get too excited about the names on the list.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

13 hours ago, Turner said:

+ taj woewodin ie eligable for us as F/S and also in someone else's academy if i'm not mistaken?

He's not listed in anyone's academy, and don't think he'd fit the criteria? So we should have first dibs, if he's good enough and wants to come to us. 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

On 3/12/2021 at 5:58 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

The AFL has issued a list of players available to the club as members of the Next Generation Academy:-

MELBOURNE

Cody Egan

Deakin Pereira

Reggie Gallagher

Joey Ryan Koo Kwet Kim

Antonio Quach

Kobi George

Mac Andrew

Ariki Lowe

Jacob Sengstock

Richard Riek Gai

Andrew Moniz-Wakefield

NGA crop revealed: Freo gets first call on son of Power, Roos gun

How does a kid whose dad played senior footy for a number of years qualify as an Academy pick? Similar to Blakey with the Swans it's an absolute joke. A lot of the kids who qualify for these academues are just typical kids who love footy and have the same chance as every other kid. Look at the one Collingwood drafted last year (Reef McInnes) only qualifies cos his mum was born overseas but his dad? He played with Oakleigh Chargers, where do the academies come into it? It's a joke and the only reason they were bought in was because the Vic clubs started whinging about the northern academies. Instead of fixing those they extend it across the comp! Makes the competition a joke when the draft is now compromised every year.

As an example I was born in Australia, grew up watching and playing footy from 5 years old - yet my kids would qualify for these NGAs because my wife was born in the Philippines. It's a joke.

[george_on_the_outer 7,002]

We finally have some decent numbers to develop instead of 1's and 2's.  

Is Jacob Sengstock related to Larry Sengstock, Australian Basketballer from the 70's?

[Whispering_Jack 28,010]

51 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Is Jacob Sengstock related to Larry Sengstock, Australian Basketballer from the 70's?

I don’t have the answer to that question George but it seems that if it is the case then “our” Jacob Sengstock hasn’t inherited the genes heightwise. Larry was 198cm and Jacob is 184cm. Both he and Mac Andrew are with the Dandenong Stingrays. Andrew is taller at 191cm but must be absolutely a stick figure if the weight of 56kg attributed to him is correct.

[Eli 0]

I heard on SEN radio earlier this week from Matt Rendell that Melbourne had some Sudanese ruckman who was a gun playing for Dandenong and he’s in our NGA. does anyone know who this guy is he?

[Mister Ed 270]

On 4/9/2021 at 8:17 PM, Eli said:

I heard on SEN radio earlier this week from Matt Rendell that Melbourne had some Sudanese ruckman who was a gun playing for Dandenong and he’s in our NGA. does anyone know who this guy is he?

Mac Andrew who was only 191cm two years ago but now 200cm. Lightly built.

I think we have to keep his name under our hats.

[Nascent 7,340]

Long way to go yet but Cal Twomey has Mac Andrew in his rolling nab league team of the year and mentions him as a top 10 draft bolter.

We all saw Tom Green continually rated as a top 1/2 pick before being nominated and subsequently matched at pick 10. That and being a project ruckman should work in our favour to push outside the first 20 picks and avoid us being a victim of the AFLs new academy/nga rule change.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/616802/twomey-s-draft-team-of-the-year-top-10-bolters-mid-season-chances-snare-spots

[Gawndy the Great 7,533]

Just read this on SEN  and boy do i get annoyed at these pointless and unbalanced rules. If all plays out as anticipated, then the Doggies will have had access to Pick 1 and Pick 2-5 in subsequent years in the draft whilst playing in finals in previous years. 

I get the romance of Father-Son and having a contrary view is unpopular, but how would you feel as a Norf supporter who would be crying out for someone like Darcy as a succession strategy to replace Goldstein? Collingwood for Daicos wont be as controversial because they will be finishing close enough to the bottom.

It is similar garbage to the whole NGA program where interstate clubs can bypass the draft framework to recruit players in effect jumping the queue. 

Im not against having these recruiting options remain, but there has to be some common sense and fairness to the whole thing. For example, clubs should be taxed additional points commensurate with their position on the ladder and not just the points value corresponding to the draft order.

It should be setup such that a team finishing top 4 or 8 should not be in a position to easily draft a player through Father-Son or NGA when that player is going to go 1-10. I'm not saying it should be impossible, but they should have to 'give-up' something more than just draft points as they do today.

[Dr.D 1,771]

so how does it work. if he other clubs bid on him with a top 10 pick do we get any chance to match?

[Skuit 9,263]

I said this before Mac Andrew was a thing, and will now say it again.

I believe that the MFC must lobby the AFL for a more equitable phase out of the NGA, where clubs should continue to be able to match bids at any stage of the draft until they tally the equivalent in discounted points as whichever club has spent/saved the most to date (exc. the Northern Academies). It could even be tied to just the first round.

A much slower phase out, but the draft will become less compromised each year and the actual intended benefits from the NGA will be realised as much as they are today for longer. Clubs may even be hesitant to spend their small, one-time allotment of points if there are promising prospects coming through, meaning greater longer-term engagement.  

As only a handful of clubs have benefitted to date, one would imagine the majority would readily agree to the proposal. It's ridiculous that a couple of clubs should gain an advantage in such a tight competition to such a random extent. I really do believe it would be a worthwhile exercise for the club to gain support and make its case to AFL HQ.

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

47 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

so how does it work. if he other clubs bid on him with a top 10 pick do we get any chance to match?

No, they changed the rules after last year that first round bids can't be matched I believe (unless its a northern academy!)

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

No, they changed the rules after last year that first round bids can't be matched I believe (unless its a northern academy!)

I think its top 20 picks

[Dr. Gonzo 22,522]

2 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

I think its top 20 picks

So even more arbitrary. So say we have pick 18 (  ) and are looking at this club who is part of another clubs NGA. What happens if our pick gets pushed back to 21 because of Father/Son or Northern Academy picks, we miss out on that kid?

[Redleg 37,780]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

So even more arbitrary. So say we have pick 18 (  ) and are looking at this club who is part of another clubs NGA. What happens if our pick gets pushed back to 21 because of Father/Son or Northern Academy picks, we miss out on that kid?

If that was true, you could manipulate the draft further. If say we wanted our NGA kid who might be top 20, you by bid on every father/son or NGA kid you were certain would be matched, to get your guy to a later pick. 

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

So even more arbitrary. So say we have pick 18 (  ) and are looking at this club who is part of another clubs NGA. What happens if our pick gets pushed back to 21 because of Father/Son or Northern Academy picks, we miss out on that kid?

Not sure, I think they have stuffed the draft a bit with this academy and bidding stuff. Theres no way Footscray should have got Ugle Hagan last year as moving up to pick one the way the did with the lack of picks they had is absolute robbery.

Having picks pushed back ruins the integrity of the draft and the value of the picks pre draft moving forward 

F/S I support 

[Gawndy the Great 7,533]

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

so how does it work. if he other clubs bid on him with a top 10 pick do we get any chance to match?

I haven't though too much about the actual implementation, but i would say if the associated pick is say 2000 points, then the matching mid from a team in the top 8 needs to have a multiplier against i.e. 1st Pos = 1.5x (3000), 2 Pos - 1.4,  3rd - 1.3 etc etc. 

This way the top 8 team needs to think long and hard if they want to put all of their eggs in one basket to get the NGA / Father Son - in some cases the top 8 team may have traded out of the draft using future picks etc so many never get the points required without trading out existing players for picks. 

I get that the actual points system takes this into consideration to some extent, however using the Doggies and Sydney as recent examples proves that it is compromising the fairness of the draft. 

 

[Turner 1,482]

ill put it in here too from the draft centrals first power rankings of the season

#21 Mac Andrew (MEL NGA)

Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country | Ruck/Tall Utility

12/04/2003 | 200cm | 70kg

Snapshot: A raw tall prospect who has proven his worth in each post, Andrew’s vertical leap and fast-developing craft really catch the eye.

Another key position type who has rocketed up draft boards with a promising start to the year, Andrew will have Melbourne recruiters a little nervous with his performances to date. He sits just outside our current top 20 but has that kind of potential, with raw athleticism and bucketloads of upside given his ever-improving ability to be utilised at either end of the ground, or in the ruck. While he has proven his versatility, the Demons Next Generation Academy (NGA) talent looks most comfortable in the ruck, where his leap and clean follow-up work stands out.

Season so far:

Eyes quickly turned to Andrew after he collected 22 disposals, three marks and 11 hitouts on his NAB League debut, before going on to prove it was no fluke by impressing across another three outings. He found himself spending more time forward against the Sandringham Dragons in Round 4 and kicked a goal, but has some development left in his decision making and disposal by foot at times. He boasts clean hands and was better aerially than his averages of three marks and 14.5 hitouts suggest. The same could be said about his game for the AFL Academy, where Andrew was tried up either end before excelling in the ruck during term four, throwing his 200cm frame into each centre bounce with a phenomenal vertical leap

[Skuit 9,263]

So toward the end of last year I spent some time in a remote corner of northern Australia. Chatting to the AFL-employed footy development officer for the region, he mentioned that the official zoned club had not done a thing to promote football etc. - but also said that under the program if clubs don't engage with the communities other clubs can come in and claim the players and regions. Someone recently mentioned St Kilda had been making phone-calls in their community. I hope we're doing the same.  

[WERRIDEE 5,218]

Skinny ruckman don't go top 20 no matter how good he is we are safe me thinks.

[DeeZone 7,821]

12 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Skinny ruckman don't go top 20 no matter how good he is we are safe me thinks.

Let’s hope so Werridee I am hopeful that Austin Bradtke will grow into the role to support Luke Jackson but we need another Project ruckman coming through.