Another Season for Mitch Brown

[Wells 11 5,398]

1 hour ago, Radar Detector said:

Seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I agree with much of this. I think Mitch Brown has played a role when required but with Ben Brown coming in and TMac staying, I expected him to be an immediate delist. That he isn’t means that we have one less place for a runner which is even more significant in a year of declining list spots.
 

Personally, I find the fact that we couldn’t find a spot for Tom Phillips but are holding onto this type of player totally baffling.

I think it may be a reflection on doubts about whether Tmac ever plays at AFL standard again tbh. 

[Kent 2,909]

29 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I think it may be a reflection on doubts about whether Tmac ever plays at AFL standard again tbh. 

Exactly why they extended Brown

The footy department know already that TMac is gone and wont be a part of the plans for next year

If they thought he would be ok then they wouldn't have shopped him.

Unfortunately like on many other occasions we tend to keep players too long in some twisted hope that they will com egood after 2 years of chronic drop in form. If the excuse was that he was injured then why play him.

Well done making the call Dees. Mitch will get a few opportunities.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

What is a big minority?

the opposite to a big majority.

[ManDee 7,134]

7 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

the opposite to a big majority.

Or would that be a small minority or small majority? I prefer percentages. 75% of people know that 38% of statistics are 90% bovine excrement. See, clear as mud.

[drysdale demon 4,832]

1 minute ago, ManDee said:

Or would that be a small minority or small majority? I prefer percentages. 75% of people know that 38% of statistics are 90% bovine excrement. See, clear as mud.

that sums it up.

[Superunknown 4,217]

Crafty, takes marks, efforts, gutsy and has a mad mo.

 

[#11-TonyAnderson 774]

20 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

10 replies and all of them positive. You're all nuts.

He was picked twice and dropped twice before he was picked a 3rd time and the season finished  before he had time to be dropped again.

He's soft. He doesn't do the number 1 non negotiable for any key forward which is to bring the ball to ground. He doesn't defend either. He will lead up and take nothing marks on the wing but that's not a key forwards job and it means he's not where we need a big man which is competing for long kicks.

Ben Brown, Weid, Jackson and even Petty should all be ahead of him. Which means he's 5th in line, a position we could easily cover with Tom McDonald if things get that desperate, which is very unlikely.

We'll get to the end of the season and he'll retire after maybe 2-5 meaningless games if we have a terrible run with injury and everyone will wonder why we don't have the right depth of outside runners or skilled flanker types. And this is why. We're just burning through list spots on nothing footballers rather than churning the list looking for that diamond in the rough. 

When I watched some games - he wasn't soft!

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

2 minutes ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

When I watched some games - he wasn't soft!

Well you missed the 2 games he was dropped after for being non competitive in the air. 

[Go the Biff 3,414]

25 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Well you missed the 2 games he was dropped after for being non competitive in the air. 

and you missed the one where he got poleaxed putting his body on the line.

He's cheap, experienced insurance. If we have a good year he doesn't play a game.

That doesn't make signing him a bad thing

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

10 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

and you missed the one where he got poleaxed putting his body on the line.

He's cheap, experienced insurance. If we have a good year he doesn't play a game.

That doesn't make signing him a bad thing

He went back for a chest mark after 3/4’s of not getting his hands up to contest high kicks. 
 

If he won’t play a game then he is a waste. If he’s needed that means we’ve got 2 of B Brown, Weid and Jackson injured and cant cover with Petty who offers more and don’t want to cover with T Mc.

We aren’t turning the list over and it’s just killing our 15-25 depth by not finding more guys. Instead we have these guys who are 30-35 battlers just wasting space. 

[ProperDee 1,698]

He is more of a tall, link up player rather than a KP player.  Having said that, he can play either end of the ground if needed.  Those types are not easy to find and he is a very good insurance player in my view.  Good decision to keep him on.

I also think he is somewhat underrated.  A smart footballer who plays his role to the letter. 

Anyone who has used the words dud, spud or soft in their descriptions of Mitch need to give themselves an uppercut and try looking outside of that tiny little square occasionally.

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

5 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

He is more of a tall, link up player rather than a KP player.  Having said that, he can play either end of the ground if needed.  Those types are not easy to find and he is a very good insurance player in my view.  Good decision to keep him on.

I also think he is somewhat underrated.  A smart footballer who plays his role to the letter. 

Anyone who has used the words dud, spud or soft in their descriptions of Mitch need to give themselves an uppercut and try looking outside of that tiny little square occasionally.

SO WHY WAS HE DROPPED TWICE IN 3 GAMES!!!! Because he absolutely does not play to his role. Not at all.

Why was he delisted from Essendon who have no fit quality key forwards?

This is his 2019 for Essendon. 3 goals in 8 losses. The disposals, marks and goals all dry right up. Why? Because he doesn't do his job as a key forward and start his game with the basis of winning and halving contests and bringing his team mates in to the game. Instead he chases kicks up on the wing which he can find against bad teams, then goes completely missing against the good sides. 

He's everything we don't need as a Melbourne player. Yet he's the type of player we've seemed happy to keep around for 50 years probably. A non winner. 

The more non winners you keep around the club the more you become a non winner and we just live for that. We love it. Flat track Brad Green back on the board, I'm sure he loves Mitch Brown too. There's another forward who loved a chest mark rather than opening their body up for contact and loved dining out on bad teams.

[Turner 1,514]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He went back for a chest mark after 3/4’s of not getting his hands up to contest high kicks. 
 

If he won’t play a game then he is a waste. If he’s needed that means we’ve got 2 of B Brown, Weid and Jackson injured and cant cover with Petty who offers more and don’t want to cover with T Mc.

We aren’t turning the list over and it’s just killing our 15-25 depth by not finding more guys. Instead we have these guys who are 30-35 battlers just wasting space. 

the list will turn over dramatically next year, further reductions, 3 impending retirements, 2 players coming OOC that we happily shopped around late this year and up to 4 players with a combined 4 games from the 2018 draft on the block too, throw in other NQR players on the list and i can see a couple big FA/trade moves on the cards for us. Alternatively we could do what we always do and sign half of them up for another season ;)

i think he will move on after next season and we will draft another tall then. 

also if ur complaining about battlers wasting space i'd love to know how u saw hunts 2yr deal off the back of 6 games for the season? and what u expect him to deliver over those two years

Edited November 19, 2020 by Turner

[Diamond_Jim 12,569]

Would have preferred to spend the spot on Lewis Jetta for a year.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,753]

I'm neither here nor there with this decision. However, with the draft this year being a bigger gamble at the bottom end than usual, re-signing him might have been seen as the less risky option. In other words, if 2020 had been a normal year with junior footy played all around the country, I could see how he might not have been offered another contract.

[pitmaster 3,549]

10 hours ago, ManDee said:

What is a big minority?

He means a very small minority, that is to say, a minority by a very big margin relative to the majority. (I think. Or at least I hope.) And I agree, Brown showed real value at the end of the year to the degree that I thought we should have seen a lot more of him much earlier. And that's to say a lot by a big margin. Possibly a big majority.

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

1 hour ago, Turner said:

the list will turn over dramatically next year, further reductions, 3 impending retirements, 2 players coming OOC that we happily shopped around late this year and up to 4 players with a combined 4 games from the 2018 draft on the block too, throw in other NQR players on the list and i can see a couple big FA/trade moves on the cards for us. Alternatively we could do what we always do and sign half of them up for another season ;)

i think he will move on after next season and we will draft another tall then. 

also if ur complaining about battlers wasting space i'd love to know how u saw hunts 2yr deal off the back of 6 games for the season? and what u expect him to deliver over those two years

So if the list is turning over so much next year then why not get a head start on looking for players to fill those spots now?

The list didn’t turn over last year and now hasn’t this year. So for 2 years we’ve been kicking it down the road. If we didn’t keep the Wagnii we could’ve had a better replacement for them in hand.

Free agents. More Tomlinson and Byrnes? Great!  No first round pick either.

I’m hardly a Hunt and I’m surprised we gave him 2 years, who else wanted him? But at least he has raw speed and age still on his side. If he did put it together he’d be a player. I’d rather gamble on upside that keep a player who won’t perform against good opposition and is a long way down the order. 

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

SO WHY WAS HE DROPPED TWICE IN 3 GAMES!!!! Because he absolutely does not play to his role. Not at all.

Why was he delisted from Essendon who have no fit quality key forwards?

This is his 2019 for Essendon. 3 goals in 8 losses. The disposals, marks and goals all dry right up. Why? Because he doesn't do his job as a key forward and start his game with the basis of winning and halving contests and bringing his team mates in to the game. Instead he chases kicks up on the wing which he can find against bad teams, then goes completely missing against the good sides. 

He's everything we don't need as a Melbourne player. Yet he's the type of player we've seemed happy to keep around for 50 years probably. A non winner. 

The more non winners you keep around the club the more you become a non winner and we just live for that. We love it. Flat track Brad Green back on the board, I'm sure he loves Mitch Brown too. There's another forward who loved a chest mark rather than opening their body up for contact and loved dining out on bad teams.

So Brad Green didn't measure up to the lofty standards of DeeSpencer? Many would strongly disagree with you here. I suppose Cameron Bruce was also soft in your opinion?  Guess you didn't see first year players Green and Bruce in the famous comeback win in a FINAL. Flat track performers here too? They won the game for us. 

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

7 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

So Brad Green didn't measure up to the lofty standards of DeeSpencer? Many would strongly disagree with you here. I suppose Cameron Bruce was also soft in your opinion?  Guess you didn't see first year players Green and Bruce in the famous comeback win in a FINAL. Flat track performers here too? They won the game for us. 

That was about the peak of Green’s career. Should’ve gone on to become a Star mid/forward with multiple All Australians. Somehow became captain of the club in charge of the players having a strike at Geelong. Took a lot of big chest marks. Unfulfilled talent. Lacked killer instinct. 

Bruce, much the same. Not soft, but could’ve lifted a few more weights at some stage. And a professional footballer who couldn’t kick a drop punt is always a good one.

The interesting thing about Bruce is he was a mature age pick up. That’s the kind of player we could find, even if it’s one in a thousand. If we turned over the list and backed our recruiting staff 

[John Demonic 5,791]

18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The interesting thing about Bruce is he was a mature age pick up. That’s the kind of player we could find, even if it’s one in a thousand. If we turned over the list and backed our recruiting staff 

Fritsch says gday

[McQueen 17,864]

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He went back for a chest mark after 3/4’s of not getting his hands up to contest high kicks. 
 

If he won’t play a game then he is a waste. If he’s needed that means we’ve got 2 of B Brown, Weid and Jackson injured and cant cover with Petty who offers more and don’t want to cover with T Mc.

We aren’t turning the list over and it’s just killing our 15-25 depth by not finding more guys. Instead we have these guys who are 30-35 battlers just wasting space. 

We all know that it means more competition for you Sam but you’ve got enough development in you so it’s time to become the forward we all want you to be!

[dice 705]

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

That was about the peak of Green’s career. Should’ve gone on to become a Star mid/forward with multiple All Australians. Somehow became captain of the club in charge of the players having a strike at Geelong. Took a lot of big chest marks. Unfulfilled talent. Lacked killer instinct.

And don't forget Green's performance on that fateful day down at Geelong when we lost by 30 goals. He was barking orders as Captain from f*cking full forward. A real Captain's performance that day - 3 marks, 2 tackles, 0 goals, 0 points. Pathetic.

[Turner 1,514]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

So if the list is turning over so much next year then why not get a head start on looking for players to fill those spots now?

The list didn’t turn over last year and now hasn’t this year. So for 2 years we’ve been kicking it down the road. If we didn’t keep the Wagnii we could’ve had a better replacement for them in hand.

Free agents. More Tomlinson and Byrnes? Great!  No first round pick either.

I’m hardly a Hunt and I’m surprised we gave him 2 years, who else wanted him? But at least he has raw speed and age still on his side. If he did put it together he’d be a player. I’d rather gamble on upside that keep a player who won’t perform against good opposition and is a long way down the order. 

Yeh no i do agree with that but we cant get a head start because we don't have the list space atm, i agree with wagners and its a healthy FA market with zerrett/jelly as outside players off the top of the head. glad to know ur not big on hunt (can't believe he's gonna be a 9yr player when his deals up!!!!)

we'll trade back into the first round for our future first again next year and the year after that and so forth

[loges 6,767]

47 minutes ago, dice said:

And don't forget Green's performance on that fateful day down at Geelong when we lost by 30 goals. He was barking orders as Captain from f*cking full forward. A real Captain's performance that day - 3 marks, 2 tackles, 0 goals, 0 points. Pathetic.

Did the ball get to full forward?

[DeeSpencer 25,682]

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

Fritsch says gday

A nice pick up with a mid 2nd round pick. Why hasn’t Jason Taylor been given a serious chance with the rookie draft and a good deep haul of picks for years now?

He can find more Harmes’ and Vanders but we won’t give him the picks. Instead it’s Mitch Brown’s 

#LetJTcook