BARGAINS

JEFF FARMER FOR PHIL GILBERT

JACK WATTS FOR PICK 31 (BAYLEY FRITSCH)

JEFF GARLETT FOR PICKS 61 and 79

BUSTS

THE JOSH KELLY DEAL

MITCH CLARK FOR PICK 12

SCOTT THOMPSON FOR PICK 12

Why are you hurting me?

I’m not so sure about the Josh  Kelly deal

Salem is a very good footballer & much loved by the players & Tyson was a consistent performer for a 100 games when we were rubbish 

For all the hype Kelly is a bit of a disappointment for mine

May for Hogan looking better 

23 minutes ago, radar said:

May for Hogan looking better 

Hogan for pick six turned out to be a huge gain and pick six for May appears to have delivered us a crucial premiership quality key defender and club leader.

What I like is that we've also managed quite a few respectable successes that were neither boom nor bust but good value and appropriate for the circumstances.  Hibberd, Lewis, Vince, and Melksam in, Frost and Watts out. All good value.  I don't think we've really fluffed a trade in a few years. 

The missing piece now is a couple of bonus free agency signings. But that really only comes when you're already performing and an attractive prospect for 28 year olds looking for less responsibilty and a premiership.

I'd throw Bernie Vince in there as a very good trade. He was a BNF after all.

We’ve traded pretty well over the journey. I mean, those busts aren’t exactly Fev to Brisbane or Lovett to St Kilda

Our drafting (and probably development) is what let us down for many years.

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

I'd throw Bernie Vince in there as a very good trade. He was a BNF after all.

It doesn't particularly have a place on this list, but he's easily one of the best players we've brought to the club in the past decade. 

Biggest bust

Barrassi to Carlton

18 minutes ago, Ham said:

It doesn't particularly have a place on this list, but he's easily one of the best players we've brought to the club in the past decade. 

I’d argue trading in a future bnf winner for pick 23 beats is a better bargain than the watts for pick 31 Fritsch deal. Of course with time the Fritsch could prove better.

Edited November 3, 20205 yr by Better days ahead

Trading Jesse Hogan ultimately for Steven May and KK is a huge win. we've traded someone who has struggled for one of if not the most dominant defender in the comp

Michael Hibbert for a 2nd rounder ✅

10 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I’d argue trading in a future bnf winner for pick 23 beats the watts for pick 31 Fritsch deal. Of course with time the Fritsch could prove better.

I view the point of this article as;

We obtained better
We got rid of [censored]

So I will always think that acquiring Bernie was one of the best thing the club has done. But for the purposes of this article, what we did in getting rid of that [censored] Watts and getting in Fritsch, was top shelf.  


 

4 minutes ago, Ham said:

what we did in getting rid of that [censored] Watts and getting in Fritsch, was top shelf.

His wasn't a bad kick in a time when we weren't over endowed in that area....but let's not go there ?

 

4 hours ago, Billy said:

For all the hype Kelly is a bit of a disappointment for mine

One of the most overrated players in the AFL.

6 hours ago, Ham said:

I view the point of this article as;

We obtained better
We got rid of [censored]

So I will always think that acquiring Bernie was one of the best thing the club has done. But for the purposes of this article, what we did in getting rid of that [censored] Watts and getting in Fritsch, was top shelf.  


 

Don’t forget Frisch was playing for Casey so, in a way, we had the inside running on his potential. Shame that we didn’t recognise Oscar McInierny from the same source (emerging as the No. 1 ruckman for Brisbane). 

13 minutes ago, CBDees said:

Don’t forget Frisch was playing for Casey so, in a way, we had the inside running on his potential. Shame that we didn’t recognise Oscar McInierny from the same source (emerging as the No. 1 ruckman for Brisbane). 

Or Papley!

3 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Or Papley!

Good shout. I can’t think of a player we’ve let slip through our fingers who’s had a greater impact elsewhere. Imagine if we had Papley running around for us now.?

Scott Thompson wasn’t a trade we wanted.

Neale Daniher and Chris Fagan flew to Adelaide (prior to the trade) to attempt to convince Thompson to stay with the Dees - but they didn’t ultimately convince him to remain at the club.

I think we then traded pick 12 to the Cats for Brent Moloney, who played many years for us (including being VC), so it was hardly a bust.

In fact, in the circumstances, it was actually the opposite.

In my view, the Woewodin trade was one of the worst (it just ruined the club for a whole year and we lost something intangible from it with no commensurate benefit), as was letting Stephen Powell, Darren Jolly, Stef Martin and Jarred Rivers go for nothing (or next to nothing). And probably Brent Moloney too - thanks Mark Neeld. Acquiring that dude was solid gold for the club.

Jeff Garlett was the biggest gift we’ve ever received. Thanks Mick.

Bernie Vince, Jake Melksham, Michael Hibberd, Stephen May, Daniel Cross and Ed Langdon have been the most astute trades in recent years.

Let’s not go into our draft mistakes though - that’s where the real mistakes have been made and the depression really kicks in.

 

3 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Scott Thompson wasn’t a trade we wanted.

Neale Daniher and Chris Fagan flew to Adelaide (prior to the trade) to attempt to convince Thompson to stay with the Dees - but they didn’t ultimately convince him to remain at the club.

I think we then traded pick 12 to the Cats for Brent Moloney, who played many years for us (including being VC), so it was hardly a bust.

In fact, in the circumstances, it was actually the opposite.

In my view, the Woewodin trade was one of the worst (it just ruined the club for a whole year and we lost something intangible from it with no commensurate benefit), as was letting Stephen Powell, Darren Jolly, Stef Martin and Jarred Rivers go for nothing (or next to nothing). And probably Brent Moloney too - thanks Mark Neeld. Acquiring that dude was solid gold for the club.

Jeff Garlett was the biggest gift we’ve ever received. Thanks Mick.

Bernie Vince, Jake Melksham, Michael Hibberd, Stephen May, Daniel Cross and Ed Langdon have been the most astute trades in recent years.

Let’s not go into our draft mistakes though - that’s where the real mistakes have been made and the depression really kicks in.

 

Yes Ron The scars go really deep

still cannot believe the incompetence without opening old wounds

46 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Scott Thompson wasn’t a trade we wanted.

Neale Daniher and Chris Fagan flew to Adelaide (prior to the trade) to attempt to convince Thompson to stay with the Dees - but they didn’t ultimately convince him to remain at the club.

I think we then traded pick 12 to the Cats for Brent Moloney, who played many years for us (including being VC), so it was hardly a bust.

In fact, in the circumstances, it was actually the opposite.

In my view, the Woewodin trade was one of the worst (it just ruined the club for a whole year and we lost something intangible from it with no commensurate benefit), as was letting Stephen Powell, Darren Jolly, Stef Martin and Jarred Rivers go for nothing (or next to nothing). And probably Brent Moloney too - thanks Mark Neeld. Acquiring that dude was solid gold for the club.

Jeff Garlett was the biggest gift we’ve ever received. Thanks Mick.

Bernie Vince, Jake Melksham, Michael Hibberd, Stephen May, Daniel Cross and Ed Langdon have been the most astute trades in recent years.

Let’s not go into our draft mistakes though - that’s where the real mistakes have been made and the depression really kicks in.

 

Fair summary 

Mitch Clark was a massive bust but also very unlucky, he'd been fairly durable over his career and early indications were very positive until he got an awful injury which royally screwed him physically and then emotionally.

I'm another that looks back on the "Kelly Trade" in a mostly positive way, we had short term needs to be filled, got Tyson who made an instant impact and Salem who is a best 22 key player. 

We've had some very solid pick ups recently years: Melksham, Hibberd, Vince, and Langdon were all relatively cheap but been good recruits. In fact I'd say for the most part on the scale of things we've done reasonably well. Thompson wasn't a trade, we got bent over by Adelaide and they forced our hand. I'm definitely not alone in still feeling a little filthy about how it all went down. I still laugh at the comment his manager made of "he has given the club good service and now he would like to return home", by service of course he meant being injured for most of his time and using his time at the club for development before leaving just as he becomes a good player. ?

josh kelly is bryce gibbs 2.0 - good player but nothing like worth his weight in salary cap contribution

To me "trade bargains" and "trade bust" are deals in which you aggressively chase a swap in which one player turns out to be a dud and the other a stud, and you end up with the cream from the bargain, or egg on your face from the bust. Injury should not be included in the calculations; Mitch Clark was starring when he was injured. Nor should go home factor; we desperately wanted to keep Scott Thompson because he was our key player in 2004 until he was injured. Garlett fell into our lap, Watts/Fritsch is so-so, I'd argue that out of the six swaps listed only Farmer/Gilbert fits into my terms of reference.

But really, the article is just another excuse for the Herald Sun to once again barrack for their view of the Kelly/Tyson/Salem deal. They immediately said it was a blunder, and now refuse to accept that Melbourne actually did pretty well out of the deal. Kelly is a very good player, but appears to have stagnated and has been known to go missing crunch games, while we got a lot of good footy out of Tyson and Salem gets better every year. In fact, Salem's last two years have been better than Kelly's last two years, injuries notwithstanding. If trends continues Salem will go past Kelly.

Anyhoo, I wrote much more than I intended. All I really wanted to say is that it is a lazy article on auto-publish.

 

On 11/3/2020 at 4:13 AM, Little Goffy said:

Hogan for pick six turned out to be a huge gain and pick six for May appears to have delivered us a crucial premiership quality key defender and club leader.

What I like is that we've also managed quite a few respectable successes that were neither boom nor bust but good value and appropriate for the circumstances.  Hibberd, Lewis, Vince, and Melksam in, Frost and Watts out. All good value.  I don't think we've really fluffed a trade in a few years. 

The missing piece now is a couple of bonus free agency signings. But that really only comes when you're already performing and an attractive prospect for 28 year olds looking for less responsibilty and a premiership.

And how many flags have we won for all these so called good trades?

23 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Scott Thompson wasn’t a trade we wanted.

Neale Daniher and Chris Fagan flew to Adelaide (prior to the trade) to attempt to convince Thompson to stay with the Dees - but they didn’t ultimately convince him to remain at the club.

I think we then traded pick 12 to the Cats for Brent Moloney, who played many years for us (including being VC), so it was hardly a bust.

In fact, in the circumstances, it was actually the opposite.

In my view, the Woewodin trade was one of the worst (it just ruined the club for a whole year and we lost something intangible from it with no commensurate benefit), as was letting Stephen Powell, Darren Jolly, Stef Martin and Jarred Rivers go for nothing (or next to nothing). And probably Brent Moloney too - thanks Mark Neeld. Acquiring that dude was solid gold for the club.

Jeff Garlett was the biggest gift we’ve ever received. Thanks Mick.

Bernie Vince, Jake Melksham, Michael Hibberd, Stephen May, Daniel Cross and Ed Langdon have been the most astute trades in recent years.

Let’s not go into our draft mistakes though - that’s where the real mistakes have been made and the depression really kicks in.

 

Neeld, Every time I hear that name I feel a twinge of anger