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[BW511 2,603]

The Salem one is interesting, no doubt he’s a good player, but if we had a more line breaking/attacking version like Saad for instance, we would be a much tougher side to match up against.

We have running backs, but we could do with some more attacking backs. Tom Stewart or Shannon Hurn type that sets up all the play with bold and smart kicking.

[whatwhat say what 22,352]

21 hours ago, BW511 said:

The Salem one is interesting, no doubt he’s a good player, but if we had a more line breaking/attacking version like Saad for instance, we would be a much tougher side to match up against.

We have running backs, but we could do with some more attacking backs. Tom Stewart or Shannon Hurn type that sets up all the play with bold and smart kicking.

salem is a far superior player to saad

if salem played for one of the 'big teams' he'd be a lot more highly regarded

[DeeSpencer 25,009]

48 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

salem is a far superior player to saad

if salem played for one of the 'big teams' he'd be a lot more highly regarded

I don't agree with the first part. Saad does more defensively and his pace is a weapon. Agree with the second to an extent.

22 hours ago, BW511 said:

The Salem one is interesting, no doubt he’s a good player, but if we had a more line breaking/attacking version like Saad for instance, we would be a much tougher side to match up against.

We have running backs, but we could do with some more attacking backs. Tom Stewart or Shannon Hurn type that sets up all the play with bold and smart kicking.

Yes and no. Line breaking is a gamble that often doesn't pay off if you just run in to trouble. Houli when fit and healthy is the best at quickly breaking a line but still hitting a short pass rather than the big long run. That's what I want to see from Salem and he's not far off it. Burst run in to hit up.

We lack at least one penetrating kicker from the backline. May can do it. Hore's one to watch with his boot which is sometimes shaky but has upside. Rivers hopefully. Salem can do the short hit up corridor kicks but these days it's the big 60m diagonal switch or 45m dart that unlocks gaps as much as any. 

[grazman 7,348]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

but these days it's the big 60m diagonal switch or 45m dart that unlocks gaps as much as any. 

Steven May.

[Deemania since 56 6,572]

On 11/7/2020 at 7:55 AM, D4Life said:

Agree with your comments, with a few minor differences 

Small Lockdown defender is the real hole, reliant on a Lockhart making it, who is next in line.

Running backs Salem, Rivers & Hibberd is okay.

Wing a Phillips or Polec would fill the hole, relying on Baker because he kicked two good goals against GWS seems a major risk.

One more small pressure type forward, I do like Higgins from Tiggers!

With confusion over cap and list size, Demons likely hamstrung unless one of Macs traded out. Maybe OMac plus 43 for Polec Less some salary may work!

If Brown does happen as seems likely will be one of the best trades of the draft for impact on team performance!

Here we go again. We have already achieved a couple of good trades from other clubs. We are still attempting to 'buy' a finals berth for 2021 but transferring in more players from other clubs.

We appear to ignore the cradle talent at hand - and our responsibility to develop, develop and then a little more development.

We do have some guns, and many of these are young and inexperienced, but keen. Their chances of achieving improvements wither on the vine without drills, skills practices, game time used as a measure of the next step, not immediate success, necessarily. We can make great footballers who link with their teammates with purpose; however, we shy away from such creationism and responsibility. Hopefully, Yze may seize this melting pot and set it straight.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,941]

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

salem is a far superior player to saad

if salem played for one of the 'big teams' he'd be a lot more highly regarded

Wife barracks for Essendon and  even with my MFC bias I couldn’t agree with this. Saad is  better defensively and is more attacking I would suggest both are probably on par with their kicking. Salem is good but should be more damaging. 

[BW511 2,603]

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

salem is a far superior player to saad

if salem played for one of the 'big teams' he'd be a lot more highly regarded

I like Salem as a player, but if I could have Saad or Houli instead, I’m taking it every day of the week.

My point was less about Salem, more about the type of player. We are not a team which springboards from defence with precise and damaging field kicks. It is an area we could improve 

Edited November 8, 2020 by BW511

[BW511 2,603]

1 hour ago, grazman said:

Steven May.

May can do it, but he needs to be making the kick 45m-60m from our defensive goal, which he rarely gets the chance to do

Edited November 8, 2020 by BW511

[Whispering_Jack 29,384]

AFL Trade Radio reporting that Tom McDonald is not on Gold Coast's radar. 

Seems that he’s not on anyone’s radar at present and if so, we have to manage our list and our trading on the presumption that we keep him. 

[Kent 2,880]

On 11/7/2020 at 2:44 PM, jnrmac said:

Rendell was spot on with Salem.

Good player but doesn't run with the ball enough nor using his penetrating kick enough. Gotta stop those dinky 15m passes every time. 

So right

Salem doesnt hurt the opposition

Must get more involved he has the skills. Some days you would know he was on the ground

[Whispering_Jack 29,384]

23 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

AFL Trade Radio reporting that Tom McDonald is not on Gold Coast's radar. 

Seems that he’s not on anyone’s radar at present and if so, we have to manage our list and our trading on the presumption that we keep him. 

Now Sam Edmund saying that Essendon has emerged as the latest potential suiter for the out of favour Melbourne forward, Tom McDonald. The Bombers have registered their interest and are canvassing their options to soften the blow of Joe Daniher's departure.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,540]

2 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

AFL Trade Radio reporting that Tom McDonald is not on Gold Coast's radar. 

Seems that he’s not on anyone’s radar at present and if so, we have to manage our list and our trading on the presumption that we keep him. 

It would appear as though the last 2 years has really damaged T Mac's on-field brand. At the end of 2018, clubs would've been lining up for his services. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,540]

23 minutes ago, Kent said:

So right

Salem doesnt hurt the opposition

Must get more involved he has the skills. Some days you would know he was on the ground

I've been a critic of him in the past but I thought his 2020 was one of his better seasons.

Needs to venture forward more often and kick those classy goals from 50 on the run, in order to be more of a threat to the opposition.

[Clintosaurus 7,724]

As long as TMac's injuries are not chronic, there is no reason his 2018 form could not be replicated, or close to at least.

[Kent 2,880]

3 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

As long as TMac's injuries are not chronic, there is no reason his 2018 form could not be replicated, or close to at least.

Big assumption

Club wouldn't be encouraging his departure if they really thought he will come good

So in the FD's estimation his injuries must be chronic

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

25 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

It would appear as though the last 2 years has really damaged T Mac's on-field brand. At the end of 2018, clubs would've been lining up for his services. 

I'm not a fan of describing a club's on-field way of playing as a "brand". You're really testing me now by taking it to the next level describing players as having an "on-field brand". (I agree with the substance of your post, though.) 

[spirit of norm smith 15,583]

Watching Tmc in 2020, he was not moving well.  Turning circle of the Titanic.  He was getting his hands to a lot of marks but failing to hold them like a forward should.  It’s a tough one. Certainly the memories of 2018 give us hope.  Also thought it might give us some trade value. Hard call.  Maybe a good preseason could be the difference. 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,540]

44 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not a fan of describing a club's on-field way of playing as a "brand". You're really testing me now by taking it to the next level describing players as having an "on-field brand". (I agree with the substance of your post, though.) 

I'll re-phrase it.

T Mac has been BOG ordinary for the last 2 years. He's played 2 good games since the 2018 semi final. Not acceptable for a highly paid player.

 

[drdrake 3,146]

On Salem, I think we will see a different player in 2021.  Over the past few years it would be difficult to be that run and carry HBF as you are mindful of the ball being turned over, little forward pressure keeping the ball locked inside our 50m arc and your opponent hurting you on the rebound.  I think with the back 6 we will have plus the defensive running of our wings it will allow Rivers/Hibberd/Salem to take more risks knowing that someone will cover your opponent.  The reason why Houli is so damaging is he knows that if he takes off, his forwards will pressure to keep the football so he isn't caught out of position defensively and if he is someone will help him to cover his man. 

We need more forward pressure it enables your HBF to take more risks.  I'm surprised we haven't been linked to any small forward through trade talk. 

[deanox 9,795]

It feels a slow trade week this year. It might be unknowns re list sizes, reluctance because of compromised drafts etc.

But I'm wondering it's because there are a few players like Treloar, TMac, even Polec who are readily gettable but require salary balancing. So negotiations are a bit more complicated than usual (high sal, low pick, options, instead of just negotiating over pick) and also have flow on effects for other deals.

Hopefully we see a couple of bigger names like Saad, Dunkley, Treloar, reaolve early this week, because then I thinkn there will be a bit more movement league wide.

[Lucifers Hero 39,074]

15 minutes ago, deanox said:

It feels a slow trade week this year. It might be unknowns re list sizes, reluctance because of compromised drafts etc.

But I'm wondering it's because there are a few players like Treloar, TMac, even Polec who are readily gettable but require salary balancing. So negotiations are a bit more complicated than usual (high sal, low pick, options, instead of just negotiating over pick) and also have flow on effects for other deals.

Hopefully we see a couple of bigger names like Saad, Dunkley, Treloar, reaolve early this week, because then I thinkn there will be a bit more movement league wide.

And Ess has so many trades in train and playing a tough 'poker-face-you-blink-first' game by asking the world on outbound Saad/Fantasia and low balling inbound Wright/Caldwell then refusing to budge.  Not to mention they are trying to get Dunkley. 

It ties up Carlton, Port, GCS, GWS and WBD.  Not to mention some small side deals they might have eg Hind at Saints and maybe TMac at mfc.

A domino involving Ess needs to fall soon.

Of all the teams to be the bottleneck Ess is the worst one to wait on to move.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[deanox 9,795]

I've often wondered if multiple, shorter trade periods and list lodgements would be better.

2 day FA window. 3 day FA match window. List Lodgement.

5 day trade period. Anyone not in contract 5pm Friday is auto delisted. List lodgement.

5 day DFA signing period and further contracted player trade period. List lodgement.

AFL Draft.

Final 3 day trade period (contracted players, preseason, rookie draft or future draft picks).

Preseason/rookie draft to fill any open spots. Final list lodgement.

 

I think the overlap of the FA, trade and DFA causes too many hold ups. This way there is incentive to trade out your uncontracted players in the first trade period, because they'll become DFAs otherwise and you'll lose their value. But you can't ruin the whole trade week by holding that trade up until the last minute.

Edited November 9, 2020 by deanox

[godees 835]

Salem is a muuuch better kick than Saad, who is prone to high bombs. Saad is otherwise better than him and very good one on one.

[old dee 23,565]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

And Ess has so many trades in train and playing a tough 'poker-face-you-blink-first' game by asking the world on outbound Saad/Fantasia and low balling inbound Wright/Caldwell then refusing to budge.  Not to mention they are trying to get Dunkley. 

It ties up Carlton, Port, GCS, GWS and WBD.  Not to mention some small side deals they might have eg Hind at Saints and maybe TMac at mfc.

A domino involving Ess needs to fall soon.

Of all the teams to be the bottleneck Ess is the worst one to wait on to move.

Their tough attitude has served them well in the last few years!

Where are they on the ladder again? 

[TRIGON 4,783]

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

Their tough attitude has served them well in the last few years!

Where are they on the ladder again? 

Yep, and re Daniher they could have got pick nine in the 2019 AFL draft along with the Swans first-round pick this year.

Instead they got pick 7. 

Dildodoroed themselves.

Edited November 9, 2020 by TRIGON