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1 minute ago, deanox said:

I cant see how this can work.

We currently have more picks than list spots. Why can't they?

If the dogs have 3 spots and 3 picks on draft night but then pick an academy player with pick 1, then they'll lose all 3 picks (points cost will be all of them) and will have their other 2 picks at the end of the draft.

 

They have to be equal going into the draft - there's water to flow under the bridge.

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    Just now, deanox said:

    I cant see how this can work.

    We currently have more picks than list spots. Why can't they?

    If the dogs have 3 spots and 3 picks on draft night but then pick an academy player with pick 1, then they'll lose all 3 picks (points cost will be all of them) and will have their other 2 picks at the end of the draft.

    I don't recall the details but a club (I think Sydney) did some dodgy deals a few years back and the AFL closed the loophole.

    I'll do some checking to confirm (or otherwise) what I wrote.

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    12 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Reef McInnes

    Old mate Prendergast was talking this kid up and I can only say "Great Barry, a Reef".

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    9 minutes ago, deanox said:

    I cant see how this can work.

    We currently have more picks than list spots. Why can't they?

    If the dogs have 3 spots and 3 picks on draft night but then pick an academy player with pick 1, then they'll lose all 3 picks (points cost will be all of them) and will have their other 2 picks at the end of the draft.

    Found it!

    no-more-hidden-picks-afl-alters-the-draft-bidding-system

    "The AFL has ruled that the number of selections a club holds going into the national draft must match the number of vacant spots on their primary list".

    Applies to Academy and NGA clubs.

    Edited by Lucifer's Hero

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    Gold Coast can automatically list any player in their Academy without using any picks. Part of their ridiculously generous draft concessions. So they won't be trading out early picks for points.

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    14 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Others know more about the draft than me, but I think it's likely:

    Jamarra Ugle-Hagan - Bulldogs
    Braeden Campbell - Sydney
    Reef McInnes - Collingwood

    Then possibly around the mark:
    Alex Davies - GC
    Lachlan Jones - Port

    Might be old info though. @dazzledavey36is usually pretty onto it.
     

    Wonderful quirk of the AFL concessions to GC...Alex Davies could easily have been selected inside the top 10 in this draft.  He'll walk to GC for nothing, as GC's academy and zone players don't have to be matched via bid processes this year.  They are getting a couple of really good prospects for nothing this year. And they have pick 5, which they would be happy to offload for Treloar.

    In our worst years we never got leg ups like that.

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    On 11/8/2020 at 11:43 AM, Biffen said:

    Moonshadow lingers in the showers at public swimming facilities and never actually swims.

     

    Ah, the real George Pell.

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    27 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

    Wonderful quirk of the AFL concessions to GC...Alex Davies could easily have been selected inside the top 10 in this draft.  He'll walk to GC for nothing, as GC's academy and zone players don't have to be matched via bid processes this year.  They are getting a couple of really good prospects for nothing this year. And they have pick 5, which they would be happy to offload for Treloar.

    In our worst years we never got leg ups like that.

    That’s a ridiculous situation.

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    9 minutes ago, dieter said:

    Ah, the real George Pell.

    2019 called: you're late for dinner.

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    8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    Found it!

    no-more-hidden-picks-afl-alters-the-draft-bidding-system

    "The AFL has ruled that the number of selections a club holds going into the national draft must match the number of vacant spots on their primary list".

    Applies to Academy and NGA clubs.

    Cheers mate. 

    I thought I'd do a quick analysis.

    Lets assume a club finishes 8th and therefore gets picks 11, 29, 47, 65 and 83. Let's say they need 5 players this draft, and the club has an academy selection rated at no. 1. 

    When the bid comes at 1, they'll pay 3000 minus 20% or 2400 points.

    That means they'll lose 11 (1329 points), 29 (653 points), 47 (316), and 65 (90). 2388 points in total. Pick 83 is worth 0 points. 

    So they'll get pick 1, then all other picks will get pushed to the final rounds, and they'll have a 12 point deficit next season.

    While it is a boon to get pick 1, it doesn't actually seem that unfair, because basically you get that pick and then only the bottom. And if they game it to have less then 4 list spots, they are forced into significant deficit (which comes off their first pick) next year (only 2 list spots would push their deficit by 412 points, meaning next years pick 11 goes to pick 20).

     

     

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    1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

    BigFooty IS his source.

    I just posted what I'd read on Bigfooty. I don't mind if you follow me around but there's no need to be snarky. Cheers mate. 

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    6 minutes ago, deanox said:

    While it is a boon to get pick 1, it doesn't actually seem that unfair, because basically you get that pick and then only the bottom. And if they game it to have less then 4 list spots, they are forced into significant deficit (which comes off their first pick) next year (only 2 list spots would push their deficit by 412 points, meaning next years pick 11 goes to pick 20).

     

    No club is going to go in to a draft with less than 4 list spots tho. You need 3 minimum and it's pretty easy to find the 4th worst player on your list and re-rookie them.

    Forget 65 it has no real value, so 11, 29 and 47 for pick 1. It's an absolute dream. We gave that up for pick 8 last year!

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    1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    Rumours circulating on Bigfooty that we're targeting Bulldogs pick 14.

    Is that what’s called a “pick trade “ Ethan?

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    2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    Rumours circulating on Bigfooty that we're targeting Bulldogs pick 14.

    But nobody on here reads that or listens to trade radio. They just hear things??

    Edited by Pennant St Dee

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    14 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    No club is going to go in to a draft with less than 4 list spots tho. You need 3 minimum and it's pretty easy to find the 4th worst player on your list and re-rookie them.

    Forget 65 it has no real value, so 11, 29 and 47 for pick 1. It's an absolute dream. We gave that up for pick 8 last year!

    I think we are saying similar things.  It is definitely a good outcome for you. But the balance isn't horrible in that if you get pick 1, you get nothing else that year except re-rookieing or 65+ speculative picks. So while its a great outcome, it also forces eggs in basket.

    Previously if you could stock up you could theoretically get pick 1 for a couple of 2nd rounders then still take picks in the 30s and 40s.

     

    I would be inclined to support it if points only counted for that round and the next. So pick 1 could only take points from 1st and 2nd and otherwise carried over to next years 1st and 2nd round.  You get the discount for development, but it does hit you in the pointy end.

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    8 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

    so has the Melbourne FC academy got anyone that we are interested in?

     

    Our Academy is akin to Police Academy 6.

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    40 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    2019 called: you're late for dinner.

    A. I didn't know I was invited. B. Should I bring my bathers?

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    33 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I just posted what I'd read on Bigfooty. I don't mind if you follow me around but there's no need to be snarky. Cheers mate. 

    Lol... References my post every single time then accuses me of 'following'...

    #rentfree

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    20 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    But nobody on here reads that or listens to trade radio. They just hear things??

    If you're at the level of reading BigFooty and getting info from there then you should probably be spending more time focusing on your exams...

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    6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Lol... References my post every single time then accuses me of 'following'...

    #rentfree

     

    4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    If you're at the level of reading BigFooty and getting info from there then you should probably be spending more time focusing on your exams...

    Get over yourself champ.  
    This is a rumour thread FFS !!!!

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    Apologies for getting sucked in by the usual trolls for a minute there 'Landers.

    In football goss, apparently one of the reasons Dunkley is leaving the Doggies is that a bit of a 'brat pack' is happening there and he's hating it. Seems a long way from what Bevo had going on with the team a few years ago. Wonder if that's why there's been media/rumours about him being under the pump more than any of us fans would have expected?

     

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    5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Apologies for getting sucked in by the usual trolls for a minute there 'Landers.

    In football goss, apparently one of the reasons Dunkley is leaving the Doggies is that a bit of a 'brat pack' is happening there and he's hating it. Seems a long way from what Bevo had going on with the team a few years ago. Wonder if that's why there's been media/rumours about him being under the pump more than any of us fans would have expected?

     

    In fairness I think they had one a few years ago with Stringer, Dahlhaus and a few others.  This is why they were happy to move them one 

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    1 minute ago, Demons11 said:

    In fairness I think they had one a few years ago with Stringer, Dahlhaus and a few others.  This is why they were happy to move them one 

    For sure, this was described to me as 'Brat Pack 2.0", so I'm assuming it's happening again with new names.

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