James Frawley Retires... And Starts Playing Again

[BAMF 2,366]

14 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Came to us for an AFL career, went to the Hawks for a flag then went to St Kilda for his superannuation fund.

Nominated for the draft for an AFL career. Was very unlucky to be picked up by a club which was about everything except winning games. 

[Ohio USA - David 107]

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

Nominated for the draft for an AFL career. Was very unlucky to be picked up by a club which was about everything except winning games. 

He is a selfish individual who left the Demons for wealth and "his" flag. Yeah a get rich individual who cares about money not the game

[Half forward flank 739]

2 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

He is a selfish individual who left the Demons for wealth and "his" flag. Yeah a get rich individual who cares about money not the game

Cares about the game. What to you mean by that Ohio? 

[Old Bear 304]

On 10/9/2020 at 8:23 AM, Demons3031 said:

Hi Undeeterred. Yes I "Let it go" a long time ago. That doesn't say at times when you think back that there are still no painful memories. As I said, RDB had every right to leave the way he was treated. But as a 14 year old then it hurt- so I understand and accept that a part of me still feels a bit of pain-but I still love the guy and would love to have sit down coffee and chat with him before or after I pass through the pearly gates.

As a 10 yr old at the time

I felt exactly the same

At the time it actually split some families as RDB was so popular that some supporters transferred their support to Carlton

[Cards13 6,869]

1 hour ago, Old Bear said:

As a 10 yr old at the time

I felt exactly the same

At the time it actually split some families as RDB was so popular that some supporters transferred their support to Carlton

My grandfather being one of those “losers” (kidding of course). He was lucky enough to see all the Dees success  but admired RDB so much that he supported the blues When he moved across. He got to see 2 sets of glory years for the clubs he supported.
 

Dad and I mercilessly mocked him for not sticking true and he would just laugh telling us we were fools for following the Dees... here I am at 43 trying to brainwash my 2 lads into our cult lol. 

[Smokey 1,546]

His final efforts wearing a Melbourne guernsey far out-weigh any good he did for the club. 

Zero fond memories of this bloke. 

[Better days ahead 2,429]

29 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

My grandfather being one of those “losers” (kidding of course). He was lucky enough to see all the Dees success  but admired RDB so much that he supported the blues When he moved across. He got to see 2 sets of glory years for the clubs he supported.
 

Dad and I mercilessly mocked him for not sticking true and he would just laugh telling us we were fools for following the Dees... here I am at 43 trying to brainwash my 2 lads into our cult lol. 

I can’t wrap my head around the concept of switching allegiances like that. If Maxy, Trac , Oliver and May decided to de-camp, on mass, to a rival I still wouldn’t be for turning. Even if there was a time machine that took me back to the fateful time when I got hooked on the Dees I still wouldn’t change my decision.

That said I do wonder whether I should inflict the Dees on my kids. It’s a hard road.

[In Harmes Way 3,381]

4 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

That said I do wonder whether I should inflict the Dees on my kids. It’s a hard road.

But aren't there better days ahead?

[chook fowler 11,511]

Hope Brown kicks a bag on him

[Better days ahead 2,429]

1 minute ago, In Harmes Way said:

But aren't there better days ahead?

I'm an optimist by nature but I have my moments of doubt but I genuinely think we have a list now to break into the Top 4 and challenge.

[whatwhat say what 9,469]

i think players playing for three or more teams will become more and more the norm

the cachet of being a 'one club player' has completely disappeared in the modern era, with afl player and club mentality finally catching up to where overseas sports have been for 40+ years

[daisycutter 18,797]

9 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i think players playing for three or more teams will become more and more the norm

the cachet of being a 'one club player' has completely disappeared in the modern era, with afl player and club mentality finally catching up to where overseas sports have been for 40+ years

doesn't mean we have to like it, wwsw ☹️

[Ohio USA - David 107]

5 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Cares about the game. What to you mean by that Ohio? 

Read what I said

[hardtack 8,251]

11 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

He is a selfish individual who left the Demons for wealth and "his" flag. Yeah a get rich individual who cares about money not the game

I really cannot understand comments such as this. 

Being an AFL footballer is a career, just like any other career that any one of us might have (or have had), and so, AFL footballers, look to improve themselves and secure their futures, just like any of us do.  I had a career as a Technical Writer and when my manager left to go to a bigger and better company, he contacted me and asked if I'd like to move and join him at that company on better wages, with better conditions, and with more talented developers; I jumped at it, as I'm sure most would, and it certainly did not diminish my caring about doing the best work that I possibly could... in fact it had the exact opposite affect, it reinvigorated me.

On the flip side of that coin, I was working at a company called Oracle and at the age of 62 was made redundant.  Not so different to an AFL club delisting or trading players who are now surplus to their needs.  Do you regard the MFC with the same disdain, for only caring about winning flags and attracting large sponsorships at the expense of players like Oscar McDonald?  Has that diminished your love of football?

[Diamond_Jim 6,469]

Don't know much about the Saints backline but a one year contract for a proven player makes sense if you have a short term hole to fill

I very much hope we are looking very hard at finding a mature crumbing forward for the year.

From Frawley's viewpoint who wouldn't put another $400k in their pocket when for the rest of his life he will be lucky to hit six figures.

[Ohio USA - David 107]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Don't know much about the Saints backline but a one year contract for a proven player makes sense if you have a short term hole to fill

I very much hope we are looking very hard at finding a mature crumbing forward for the year.

From Frawley's viewpoint who wouldn't put another $400k in their pocket when for the rest of his life he will be lucky to hit six figures.

Totally agree., Facts are he came out of retirement for the money first and love of the game second I reckon.  Good luck to him. Just wish when he moved from Melbourne that he did it for the love of the game.. Some here think otherwise...

[Lucifer's Hero 20,049]

Frawley on his move to the saints.  a-few-beers-with-roughy-then-frawley-became-a-saint

Its rather odd that he has had all these years to think about life after footy but didn't seem to have something to get involved in.

Thought this was a nice touch:  "(Danny would) probably come in and give me a headlock and a punch in the arm and say 'You've got a big name to live up to, don't stuff it up'."

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 3,782]

Didn’t say it when he went to Whorethorn, but good luck to Chip 

[BAMF 2,366]

On 11/27/2020 at 1:42 AM, Ohio USA - David said:

He is a selfish individual who left the Demons for wealth and "his" flag. Yeah a get rich individual who cares about money not the game

I get the angst and I agree that his premiership medallions aren't worth as much as others.

Yeah, he was at the highest level and should have got the best out of himself no matter what the scenario was.

But think about how poorly the club was being run.

Our priorities:

Losing games. High draft picks. Arguing with suppliers about the colour red. Blazers. Complicated logos. The presidents health. Whiteboards. 

At the time I was really disappointed with how Chip left the club. In hindsight I think it was a fantastic decision for him and don't begrudge him a single thing.

[Half forward flank 739]

22 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Read what I said

I read it and found it astounding and frankly ignorant of the modern football career. That is why I politely asked you to clarify it.

[hardtack 8,251]

20 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Totally agree., Facts are he came out of retirement for the money first and love of the game second I reckon.  Good luck to him. Just wish when he moved from Melbourne that he did it for the love of the game.. Some here think otherwise...

I would think it was for a bit of both... money, as I stated in my previous post, who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to make their future a little more secure financially (it's nothing to do with greed), but I would also think that as players like Frawley have known little outside of football for the best part of 15 years, it must be very hard to turn away from a sport they obviously love playing with a passion. 

[Macca 10,071]

10 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I would think it was for a bit of both... money, as I stated in my previous post, who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to make their future a little more secure financially (it's nothing to do with greed), but I would also think that as players like Frawley have known little outside of football for the best part of 15 years, it must be very hard to turn away from a sport they obviously love playing with a passion. 

Roos played Frawley in the forward line in the 2014 season and then didn't seem all that perturbed when Frawley explored free agency

And there's a good chance that we'd got word that we were going to be compensated well with his loss (turned out to be pick 3 which we used to claim Brayshaw)

I saw it all as win/win

And just because we draft a player doesn't necessarily mean we own that player.  These days, a player gets to make choices as well

[Macca 10,071]

As for coming out of retirement Frawley might have got the tap on the shoulder at Hawthorn (they do that at the Hawks)

So the Saints offer him a 1 year deal when he is still fighting fit ... what's the big deal?

You're a long time retired

[rjay 16,059]

27 minutes ago, Macca said:

Roos played Frawley in the forward line in the 2014 season and then didn't seem all that perturbed when Frawley explored free agency

And there's a good chance that we'd got word that we were going to be compensated well with his loss (turned out to be pick 3 which we used to claim Brayshaw)

I saw it all as win/win

And just because we draft a player doesn't necessarily mean we own that player.  These days, a player gets to make choices as well

Totally with you here 'Macca'...I think we wanted him out the door to get the extra pick in lieu of a priority pick that the AFL weren't keen to give in name but gave us as compensation.

Chip played some good footy for us but the last year went through the motions as we did by playing him forward. Club and player were in a holding pattern.

Plus, he was a better player than most give credit for, a bit unlucky not to pick up the Norm in his premiership year.

Good luck to him if he can get another year out...

[Macca 10,071]

11 minutes ago, rjay said:

Totally with you here 'Macca'...I think we wanted him out the door to get the extra pick in lieu of a priority pick that the AFL weren't keen to give in name but gave us as compensation.

Chip played some good footy for us but the last year went through the motions as we did by playing him forward. Club and player were in a holding pattern.

Plus, he was a better player than most give credit for, a bit unlucky not to pick up the Norm in his premiership year.

Good luck to him if he can get another year out...

And we did get Brayshaw in return ... feeding off Oliver delivering to a functioning forward line (as it was in 2018) he's an absolute beauty

Played on a wing, a real waste.  He doesn't have the legs for that position

Gus could play for another 7-10 years but we need to use him properly to get the best out of him

So Frawley leaving as he did was not a bad result (imv)