On 06/10/2020 at 08:04, Engorged Onion said:

So what I don't get - is the fact that there is a perspective that Goodwin listens 

• no one
• he is stubborn

Ergo, if this is all true, irrespective of who is brought in, he will still 

• listen to no one
• he is still stubborn

If this is all true...

then those appointing Yze (or whoever) are either really [censored] dumb (because irrespective of who is appointed...yadda yadda yadda), or perhaps the mythology that Goodwin listens to no one, is simply mythology.

 

The former I feel, hence one of them is about to be booted (maybe).

  On 06/10/2020 at 07:45, Ethan Tremblay said:

Not after what I was told...solid source as well. 

Feel free to DM me @Ethan Tremblay, as I think he is an absolute dud and have zero idea how he was able to convince Nought to hire him FT.

  On 06/10/2020 at 08:10, SFebes said:

The former I feel, hence one of them is about to be booted (maybe).

Fair enough @SFebes

I just cannot comprehend how outside pundits have a feel of things (stubborn etc), vs those internally (who actively seek external advice) and then those internally, choose to  disregard perspectives on said coach, and hire other people to advise, to a no win situation.

  On 06/10/2020 at 06:10, Engorged Onion said:

I presume perhaps he has been removed from the site? He has been rather quiet since his diatribe. And no one, aint no one, who can slag of Yze...

Still here sweetie.

  On 06/10/2020 at 07:33, Rigatoni Rigoni said:

Let's hope we can win a flag every year for the rest of our lifetime them. Players that have never won a flag are a disgrace?

56 years and no flag is a disgrace. There have been plenty of top commentators including ex players of note who hold the same view that unless a player has been in a premiership side he’s not a true great.

  On 06/10/2020 at 11:41, Coq au vin said:

56 years and no flag is a disgrace. There have been plenty of top commentators including ex players of note who hold the same view that unless a player has been in a premiership side he’s not a true great.

Bobby Skilton

Haydyn Bunton 

Gary Ablett snr

Robert Flower

all say hello........and that is just for starters

Edited October 6, 20204 yr by daisycutter

 

  On 06/10/2020 at 12:24, daisycutter said:

Bobby Skilton

Haydyn Bunton 

Robert Flower

all say hello........and that is just for starters

tony lockett... the list goes on and on......

time to use the ignore user button

 

  On 06/10/2020 at 12:24, daisycutter said:

Bobby Skilton

Haydyn Bunton 

Gary Ablett snr

Robert Flower

all say hello........and that is just for starters

Haydn Bunton and Robert Flower are dead so they’re not saying anything. Yes they were all elite players but never achieved the heights of a premiership. While speaking with them why don’t you ask how they feel about that? 

  On 06/10/2020 at 22:58, Coq au vin said:

Haydn Bunton and Robert Flower are dead so they’re not saying anything. Yes they were all elite players but never achieved the heights of a premiership. While speaking with them why don’t you ask how they feel about that? 

Premierships are won by teams. Mediocre players have premiership medallions, undisputed titans of the game have gone without. The assertion that a player can only be considered "great" if they've won a flag is nonsensical when considering some of the Hall of Fame players without one. E.g. Paul Roos. 350+ games, 7 time All Australian, 2x All Australian captain. Zero flags. Not a great? Ridiculous.

Edited October 7, 20204 yr by gs77
Reflection

  On 04/10/2020 at 10:01, loges said:

Got to wonder if you were alive when he was playing, actually got the most disposals in the league one year, either that or your just trolling.

... and those disposals were at the elite level - these always were, except the occasional 'rushed' clearance - then, as for scoring shots, he was a marksman class exponent.... just played short of the half-forward line to give his deeper teammates a good chance under the percentage requirements to score effectively. Highly, uniquely valuable and wise.

  On 06/10/2020 at 12:24, daisycutter said:

Bobby Skilton

Haydyn Bunton 

Gary Ablett snr

Robert Flower

all say hello........and that is just for starters

Exactly, the Coq is way off the mark with that comment. The list is enormous.  This commentator stuff is all about self-promotion without admitting that their presence in a premiership team is more an outcome of good luck combined with good teammates with exacting coaching and an individual role  that they might have played personally was controlled by that scenario.

 

  On 06/10/2020 at 11:41, Coq au vin said:

56 years and no flag is a disgrace. There have been plenty of top commentators including ex players of note who hold the same view that unless a player has been in a premiership side he’s not a true great.

 

  On 06/10/2020 at 22:58, Coq au vin said:

Haydn Bunton and Robert Flower are dead so they’re not saying anything. Yes they were all elite players but never achieved the heights of a premiership. While speaking with them why don’t you ask how they feel about that? 

????????

  On 06/10/2020 at 23:27, Deemania since 56 said:

Exactly, the Coq is way off the mark with that comment. The list is enormous.  This commentator stuff is all about self-promotion without admitting that their presence in a premiership team is more an outcome of good luck combined with good teammates with exacting coaching and an individual role  that they might have played personally was controlled by that scenario.

 

We’ve accepted mediocrity for far too long in all departments. I don’t want people back who’ve participated in that mediocrity in whatever role: player, coach or any administrative role. I was keen when Barassi came back as he was part of our most successful era. I do believe he was part of the succeeding success with John Northey due to setting the stage with recruitment and coaching. Use was one of my favourite players too so I withdraw any negative comments about his playing.

Edited October 6, 20204 yr by Coq au vin

  On 06/10/2020 at 11:41, Coq au vin said:

56 years and no flag is a disgrace. There have been plenty of top commentators including ex players of note who hold the same view that unless a player has been in a premiership side he’s not a true great.

Such a stupid view to hold...

Hall of fame players... without premierships

• Haydn Bunton Sr
• Roy Cazaly
• John Kennedy Sr (none as player)
• Tony Lockett
• Kevin Murray
• Bob Skilton

And this was from the time when the rich clubs could buy the best players to add premierships to their names...

And then there's those players in the cue to join the Hall of fame, including a player I rank as the best I've ever seen in Garry Ablett Sr...

I reckon if your list of players you deem to be "not a true great." includes the above list of champions, it's time consider "what the hell am I talking about?"  

  On 02/10/2020 at 12:23, Chook in Perth said:

Hi all. Been a while.

Yze coming home

Good! he can take Melksham's spot on a HFF

  On 07/10/2020 at 00:04, PaulRB said:

Such a stupid view to hold...

Hall of fame players... without premierships

• Haydn Bunton Sr
• Roy Cazaly
• John Kennedy Sr (none as player)
• Tony Lockett
• Kevin Murray
• Bob Skilton

And this was from the time when the rich clubs could buy the best players to add premierships to their names...

And then there's those players in the cue to join the Hall of fame, including a player I rank as the best I've ever seen in Garry Ablett Sr...

I reckon if your list of players you deem to be "not a true great." includes the above list of champions, it's time consider "what the hell am I talking about?"  

We’ll just have to disagree then. Many commentators on radio and tv have also held this view.

  On 06/10/2020 at 06:58, SFebes said:

Whatever happens here, I hope Goodwin swallows his pride and ego and listens to Yze's strategies.

I don’t think he’ll have a choice @SFebes - the board aren’t going to fork out big dollars for someone to sit in the coaches’ box and not be allowed to say anything.

  On 07/10/2020 at 00:14, Coq au vin said:

We’ll just have to disagree then. Many commentators on radio and tv have also held this view.

have they really?

i'd like you to quote a few with links as to what they really said

boy you know how to [censored] a dead horse or you are just stubborn beyond belief

  On 07/10/2020 at 00:14, Coq au vin said:

We’ll just have to disagree then. Many commentators on radio and tv have also held this view.

hmmm, not a group of people I'd want to use to bloster any position I hold.  But rather than just make your bare statement, please explain exactly why someone like Bob Skilton was not a great because he wasn't in a premiership team.  In what area was he deficient?

  On 06/10/2020 at 23:19, Deemania since 56 said:

... and those disposals were at the elite level - these always were, except the occasional 'rushed' clearance - then, as for scoring shots, he was a marksman class exponent.... just played short of the half-forward line to give his deeper teammates a good chance under the percentage requirements to score effectively. Highly, uniquely valuable and wise.

IMO he was our most skilful player since Flower

  On 07/10/2020 at 00:14, Coq au vin said:

We’ll just have to disagree then. Many commentators on radio and tv have also held this view.

As an outsider, what is your perspective on intelligence?

Ah, Coq. Coq, Coq, Coq.

'No premiership means failure' and 'Success under John Northey' was a beauty.

 Got to also wonder what these 'many commentators' must think of the AFL Hall of Fame.

Anyway. Back to Yze. We've established that he's a loser player unworthy of consideration as a coach.  But tragically neither Steven Armstrong nor Chris Heffernan have put their hat in the ring. 

So we might have to just accept this guy, who not only is a loser but has a loser as a mentor. I mean, if that lumpy shortstack Clarko was any good we would've nailed the 1998 Premiership for sure.

@Demonland I swear, the facepalm is helping but a good eyeroll reaction option would have been enough to stop me writing this rant! Just a little sarcasm button to press, that's all I need.

It’s team game not an individual game. It’s great that there are some really good players in poor teams. But the ultimate measure of success is premierships.

  On 06/10/2020 at 06:58, SFebes said:

Whatever happens here, I hope Goodwin swallows his pride and ego and listens to Yze's strategies.

This is the most important part of any new assistant.

If goody doesnt listen then we may as well either sack him or not hire assistants and save the money.

Doesnt look like he will be shown the door this yr so i hope for all our sakes he BLOODY LISTENS.  

  On 07/10/2020 at 00:14, Coq au vin said:

We’ll just have to disagree then. Many commentators on radio and tv have also held this view.

Name a single radio or tv commentator that would not have Garry Ablett Snr in his top players of all time list? 

Just one, of the "many" will suffice...

Weird angle you're working here.