Tom Phillips - Outside Skills and Speed

[Travy14 2,142]

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Any decent wingmen would, but that's not really the question.

The questions are:
1. Does his limited skills and contested ability see those B+F results start to slide over the new few years - he wouldn't be the only hard running type of player to have peaked by 23 (see T. Bugg or A.N-B).

2. Is Isaac Smith (for free) better for a couple of years for free whilst we work on a long term replacement who we can draft with the pick we won't have to give up for Phillips

I'm not so sure the Pies would be so keen to move Phillips on if they thought he had 100 solid games left in him. Chris Mayne's their other wingmen and he's just about done, they could find a way to hold on to the salary if they really wanted to. 2 years of Isaac Smith and allocate the draft resources towards finding longer term solutions - in particular guys who can kick would be my preferred result.

No chance of holding his salary, with De'Goey, Mihochek, daicos and a few others to sign still. As well as the reported players they are keen on.

[spirit of norm smith 16,680]

Tom Phillips or Isaac Smith. Really!! 
Phillips every day of the week. 8 years younger and has been a top performer in 2018 and 2019. He’s not deteriorating.  

Edited October 14, 2020 by spirit of norm smith
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[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,840]

I wouldn't say no to Smith, but if i had to choose its Phillips by the length of the Flemington Straight everyday of the week.

Can't compaire really, one could give us 8 years of service compaired to 2 years.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Win4theAges

[DeeSpencer 26,692]

44 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

No chance of holding his salary, with De'Goey, Mihochek, daicos and a few others to sign still. As well as the reported players they are keen on.

So why Phillips and not 1 of the other 15 or so well paid players they have? 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,840]

This is the year to top up with what we need. 3-4 players of genuine quality can catapult us to a strong position next year.

Is there anyone from GWS we can possibly entice back the Vic with the Pruess trade?

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

12 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

This is the year to top up with what we need. 3-4 players of genuine quality can catapult us to a strong position next year.

Is there anyone from GWS we can possibly entice back the Vic with the Pruess trade?

Young Daniels would probably be pretty handy as a small forward, not sure if he's gettable

[Skuit 10,031]

I would take both Phillips and Smith thanks. One for free and the other for cheap. I think we can fit both into our team, and if not then competition for spots - perfect. Baker also has an incentive to come on. Need more run is the generally accepted idea.

[Turner 1,516]

9 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Right age, left sided winger and had some good years statistically in 2018 and 2019.

Is it salary cap squeeze or is there more to it? Clubs generally don't like to let good players go. Interesting. 

when you have daicos and brown as competition for wing spots you generally go with the famous club names would be my thinking and probably theres too

4 hours ago, Demons11 said:

If ANB and possibly Hannan leaving, I think he could play the high half forward role 

id prefer narkle as he can roll up into the guts and rotate on field with trac, also phillips played this role this year and i dont think it was too successful for him individually 

55 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

This is the year to top up with what we need. 3-4 players of genuine quality can catapult us to a strong position next year.

Is there anyone from GWS we can possibly entice back the Vic with the Pruess trade?

zac langdon but idk what to make of this https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-giants-forward-set-to-elect-rival-club-as-preferred-destination-afl-2-3-4-65590/ (is this reliable source idk)

Out-of-contract Greater Western Sydney forward Zac Langdon is set to name West Coast as his preferred club of choice for 2021, per The West Australian. 

The Western Australian product played just the seven games for the Giants in 2020 and is now keen to return home at the conclusion of his contract.

i woulda said cumming too but williams and shaw's exits made him a required player there

[58er 6,872]

10 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

This is the year to top up with what we need. 3-4 players of genuine quality can catapult us to a strong position next year.

Is there anyone from GWS we can possibly entice back the Vic with the Pruess trade?

Absolutely and Phillips Narkle Will Brodie  of Suns plus Isaac Smith offer some much Needed ability fir a cheap price.

We need some HF or wing depth. 

[BAMF 4,487]

19 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

This is the year to top up with what we need. 3-4 players of genuine quality can catapult us to a strong position next year.

Is there anyone from GWS we can possibly entice back the Vic with the Pruess trade?

Personally I am hoping we get Xavier O'Halloran. Pick 22 in 2018 draft. Had good leadership in TAC.

I remember on draft night a few of us were hoping he would be available for our pick at 27 (Sparrow), which is probably why I have always kept an eye on him.

Played 2 games this year and didn't look amazing in those games but is only young and would slot into our next generation brigade well.

Would play on our half forward flank and provide a bit of extra run in his first year playing anywhere between 8-15 games in his first year with us IMO.

He is pretty much an above average foot soldier in most areas and would be plug and play after his first 2 years in development at GWS.

I love the idea of slowly replacing Jones, VDB ANB and Hannan with some youthful running options who will push up the wings and this is what role i see for O'Halloran.

I'm also hoping that Jordan did enough to get a contract extension and hope to see Sparrow, Jordan and O'Halloran get a good amount of games in 2021 as our next generation mids.

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[Moonshadow 17,678]

The Age reporting Collingwood are open to trading Philips 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/magpies-open-to-trading-contracted-phillips-20201014-p5655x.html

[spirit of norm smith 16,680]

Get him in. It’s a perfect match.  Suits our needs. Instantly makes us a better team. We need to screw over the pies on the deal.  Phillips for a pick in the 40s. 

[Pates 9,697]

Yep I reckon we should go for him, he's got attributes we need so go for it. Make it a part of the Jetta trade if it's going to happen, be interesting to see which club feels the other has more currency.

[titan_uranus 25,255]

100% we should be interested.

[The Jackson FIX 3,512]

2020’s version of Sharrod Wellingham - Collingwood had fun playing with their present for a while but when they realised it wasn’t that much fun they dished it off to the desperate kid down the road

[The Jackson FIX 3,512]

We seem to be perennially chasing trends and always ending up worse for wear. I am not looking forward to the day Clarko (or some other coach better than ours) or the AFL change the way the game is played and the wingman we finally landed is no longer relevant in the modern game and we’re stuck with his 4 yr contract 

Edited October 15, 2020 by The Jackson 6

[spirit of norm smith 16,680]

On 10/12/2020 at 1:38 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Tom Phillips 

6th in Pies B&F in 2018 

7th in Pies B&F in 2019

Both years was finishing behind some pretty good players in Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar and Adams. 

injuries this year and shorter quarters didn’t help when he played as he has great endurance and often runs out games better than most. Dees actually need players that don’t stop in the last 2-3 minutes of a quarter. 
 

He fits our needs and comes probably at a reasonable price.  All the better if the Filthy Pies don’t rate him. I was going to offer Future 2021 2nd round but they can have pick 63 this year if they like. 

Just a reminder. Walks into our best 22 

[Turner 1,516]

12 hours ago, 58er said:

Absolutely and Phillips Narkle Will Brodie  of Suns plus Isaac Smith offer some much Needed ability fir a cheap price.

We need some HF or wing depth. 

why would we be into Will brodie, he is everything we already have an abundance of on our list

[dee-tox 4,835]

Has had a horrible year with Pie supporters labeling him a squib and soft. But has the runs on the board from previous seasons. In the right age group. Better than quite a few on our list. 

[dazzledavey36 56,363]

IF ...

the name of the player is not yet known ... 

THEN ...

the type is. A left-footed wingman. That's what the Demons want, and two have the bait in front of them: Isaac Smith and Tom Phillips.

[the fork 357]

According to Pie fans on Bigfooty he can’t kick to save himself. But according to this article, admittedly from 2018, he ranks reasonably along side the 2018 version of Andrew Gaff.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/134700/determined-phillips-repaying-pies-faith

 

 

 

[whatwhat say what 23,880]

24 minutes ago, the fork said:

According to Pie fans on Bigfooty he can’t kick to save himself. But according to this article, admittedly from 2018, he ranks reasonably along side the 2018 version of Andrew Gaff.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/134700/determined-phillips-repaying-pies-faith

 

 

 

less punchy, presumably

[58er 6,872]

12 hours ago, Turner said:

why would we be into Will brodie, he is everything we already have an abundance of on our list

Such as ? He is a first round draft pick!!!

Can play HB HF and I presume wing and even on the ball 

A young player of high potential better than any of our 15/30 list players based on 2020 form and Suns ready to offload him cheaply.

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

On 10/14/2020 at 11:13 PM, DeeSpencer said:

So why Phillips and not 1 of the other 15 or so well paid players they have? 

Why is it that every player that gets pushed out of a club all of a sudden seen as damaged goods? They obviously see Daicos as a better talent and I would agree, the kid is an absolute gun. Why keep around Phillips if he's surplus to needs and can free up salary for other moves. Phillips fits in that same mould as Langdon (definitely a better kick) runs really hard as that link between D50 and forward half. Our improvement on the outside purely from Langdon as that outlet was enormous for our structure and I'd take that over the kicks he ends up shanking. 

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

12 minutes ago, 58er said:

Such as ? He is a first round draft pick!!!

Can play HB HF and I presume wing and even on the ball 

A young player of high potential better than any of our 15/30 list players based on 2020 form and Suns ready to offload him cheaply.

Don't think he's quite in the shape/mould of a winger and certainly doesnt have the speed to work as that hard 2 way runner. I think our numerous experiments with Tomlinson, Jones and AVB have proven that bigger body midfielder type struggles as a purely outside player.