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I think he’s worth keeping but the faults in his game keep him out of the side for a reason.

Goals and disposals are going to wax and wane for a half forward, pressure is where you have to make your mark consistently.

And for all his pace Hunt is an ineffective pressure player. Whether that’s lack of tank, lack of smarts, poor lateral movement or poor tackling I don’t know. 
 

If he can fix his defensive pressure he’s good enough on the lead and dangerous with his pace so he’ll always offer something in attack.

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    17 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    there seems to have been zero talk about any potential deal for him either staying at the dees or going elsewhere?

    Stagerred if he leaves.  Goody mentioned him along with Weid, Jacko and others after the last game saying they were a young forward line who needed some help and a bigger body to support them.  I dont think he is going anywhere.

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    On 9/20/2020 at 12:17 PM, drdrake said:

    He is better than Spargo, ANB and Bedford and I leave Pickett on potential ahead of him.  So second best small forward on our list

    Yep and should get another contract and continue his development at Melbourne. Hang on did I say DEVELOPMENT??

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    I hope he stays.. he showed more grit and desire in his 6 games than Melksham did all year.

    Hunt 6 games - 10 goals

    Melksham 17 games - 15 goals.

     

    I was really disappointed in Melksham this year, did so many silly things. Hunt has some x-factor. Hope he stays.

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    1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

    I think he’s worth keeping but the faults in his game keep him out of the side for a reason.

    Goals and disposals are going to wax and wane for a half forward, pressure is where you have to make your mark consistently.

    And for all his pace Hunt is an ineffective pressure player. Whether that’s lack of tank, lack of smarts, poor lateral movement or poor tackling I don’t know. 
     

    If he can fix his defensive pressure he’s good enough on the lead and dangerous with his pace so he’ll always offer something in attack.

    Hunt is a player I've always struggled to get a read on. At times I've thought he's been a real find and on other occasions (as has been pointed out) he just looks ineffectual. I just wonder if he is a someone who hasn't completely applied himself to the challenges of being a professional footballer. Perhaps only he knows. But I'd love to see what his output would be if he adopted the mind-set of Christian Petracca. I think he'd be a revelation. Again, easy for me to make comment from the cheap seats, but he just looks happy to be an AFL player. 

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    Unfortunately this is an easy decision for Hunt.....

    The coach doesn't rate him & he should look else where. I see his value being off a HB or wing where his pace can be a contributing factor......& he wont' tip out' Langdon,  Brayshaw, Tomlinson, Salem, Rivers, J Smith etc for a regular spot in the dees line-up.

    If used & coached correctly, in my opinion, he could have a great impact from the HB line however time appears to have run out.

     

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    Suspect he's been offered a less than "wow" contract and he's weighing up his options

    Hannan's likely departure has strengthened his hand a little

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    1 hour ago, Return to Glory said:

    Hunt is a player I've always struggled to get a read on. At times I've thought he's been a real find and on other occasions (as has been pointed out) he just looks ineffectual. I just wonder if he is a someone who hasn't completely applied himself to the challenges of being a professional footballer. Perhaps only he knows. But I'd love to see what his output would be if he adopted the mind-set of Christian Petracca. I think he'd be a revelation. Again, easy for me to make comment from the cheap seats, but he just looks happy to be an AFL player. 

    Petracca needed a huge summer to really get his body right. I don’t know if Hunt has much improvement to make physically, he’s a quick twitch athlete that probably won’t ever have a huge tank. It’s not like he’s a terrible endurance runner either.

    For Hunt I guess it’s working incredibly hard to really nail his skills. The promising thing about Hunt’s last game was he balanced up and slotted a couple of very nice goals. His best games at half back were mostly bomb it 60 or shank the kick. If balancing up before he kicks is a sign of skill development then he might start adding other skills too. 

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    On 9/26/2020 at 12:37 PM, Redleg said:

    Is our 3rd biggest goal kicker in last 2 years. 

    that says more about our list as a whole than it does about him, because he's barely offered enough to stay in the team longer than two weeks

    On 9/27/2020 at 10:10 PM, Jaded said:

    To be fair, getting rid of Frost was a minor part in why our defence got better. Steven May being his replacement is like 99% of the reason. 

    our defence would be so much better off with frost rather than Omac, tommo or smith. thats a trade we definitely got wrong

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    4 minutes ago, Turner said:

    our defence would be so much better off with frost rather than Omac, tommo or smith. thats a trade we definitely got wrong

    Points conceded from defensive half turnovers

    2019: 30.7 (#18)

    2020: 17.6 (#4)

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    1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

    Points conceded from defensive half turnovers

    2019: 30.7 (#18)

    2020: 17.6 (#4)

    whats the stat for scores from D50, 

    + more factors at play to create that decrease than just frostball

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    7 minutes ago, Turner said:

    whats the stat for scores from D50, 

    + more factors at play to create that decrease than just frostball

    You can look that up for yourself if you want to know, I'm not your personal google.

    Clearly though, logic says if you're turning it over less in your defensive half then you're scoring more from the defensive half also.

    Our defensive half was miles better this year.

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    I don't mind Jayden, but I think he's the sort of player who might yield something handy for us in a trade.

    He's not a lock in best 22, so it could be a win win for all.

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    We've got a few fringe 24-26yo one club players who have been on our list for quite a while and  just haven't been able to establish a role - Hannan, Hunt, ANB, OMac.  I think they owe it to themselves to try to ply their trade elsewhere.  Some make make a decent career elsewhere but I don't think we'll really miss any of them.

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    It depends on how we want to play. 

    If we play end to end transition football (like we did in the last two games this year) then he's a possible option because he is fast and gets on the end of handball chains to finish. But when the play closes up he's next to useless due to his lack of agility (he's a very straight line player). He won 13 contested possessions for the entire season (6 games) of which nearly half (6) came in a single wet Cairns game against Freo. He has also had just 7 tackles for the year, with over half (4) coming the Geelong game.

    So, in effect, he's a low possession finisher if we play a very specific way but offers nothing in any other way.

    If we choose to play the end to end footy we played in the last two games then I can see an argument to perhaps keep him on the list, although I think it would be touch and go. But under any other circumstances I don't think I'd keep him because I think we could pick up others that would offer us more of what we need from a small forward.

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    I think you make a really good point @Axis of Bob - what I loved about 2017 Jayden was his defensive work - getting to contests he had no right getting to, being a 3rd man up, run down tackles, and then rebounding off half back. I dont see any of that with him playing forward. I think he has abilities that are different from the rest of our team, but I feel they are lost in the forward line. Wherever he is next year, I'm looking forward to watching him. 

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    I reckon its because the AFL and AFLPA have to work out list sizes and pay, its holding up a lot of player/clubs decisions.

    Hence why it's so quiet....

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    I hope we offer him a year contract, he’s worth persistent if with but something has to be done about him going completely missing in games. 

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    2 hours ago, Wobbly Bob said:

    That's what a win-win situation is.

    Indeed. Thanks Wobbly. I'm very lucky to have you.

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    I maintain that he's still our best lead-up player. Was a victim of us not lowering our eyes in the early rounds (also played soft against either Richmond or Geelong from memory) - but when we addressed that he was already out of the team. Don't know how a potentially-incoming Brown might change up the mix. If I were in charge I'd send him back to half-back. But keep. 

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    Keep him forward he kicked 4 in his last game that says to me that he could be a good goal kicker up forward if given the chance. I think he's in our best 22 ATM so don't play him back he turns the ball over too much.

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    Hunt and Kozi both fly from the backline and run forward to create pressure 

    Hunt kicks crucial goals.

    I can't understand the hate. The same match committee that selected Pruess when torrential rain was forecast refused to pick Hunt.

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