On 29/08/2020 at 22:34, pinkshark said:

Well the consensus on here is that Goodwin deserves a lot of credit.  But prior to the game consensus on here also suggested it was the worst team we have fielded in years and no one seemed to be happy with the ins and outs with the exception of a few.  What is true is that it is the first time in a long time he seems to be credited with 'coaching' well.  I'd be satisfied with him if this acknowledgment was more of a weekly basis thing.   I think any fan would.  But good on him tonight if he managed to coach well.  Long may it continue.

I don't hate the guy, I've just been disappointed with him immensely as a coach.  

MInd you though, it is also very possible that we did simply win because May and Trac were guns.  Plonking Goody in the genius coach box all of a sudden is not for me.

and i think that criticism has been fair. whats scary though is he had the ex saints coach helping him. lets see if he can repeat it.

  On 29/08/2020 at 12:31, Deemania since 56 said:

Brown's leads are commendable - not for a goal shot, but to maintain possession and seek a pass/feed. Keep him there as he is going to clunk a few in a row, as well.

I like the way he gets up the ground. In that, he reminds me of Hogan. Very useful to our game style...

  On 30/08/2020 at 08:19, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

Maybe hes tired...  he is an iron man but hes human.  I don't think he has missed a game since he debuted.

He looked it. Heavy legs at times.  

  On 30/08/2020 at 11:54, pitmaster said:

C'mon we've all been there. Think of it as a bonding experience, something all can relate to.

First time I’ve been thankful that Viney doesn’t have any outside run...

  On 30/08/2020 at 10:24, monoccular said:

Quite a bit od parallax there - would add another 50% = 15 meters.

Still, can't expect a maggot to understand that, especially when no doubt instructed to add a bit to reverse kicks in the dying stages of games.

I still feel that 'no mark' for backwards kicks would move the game on and stop some of these negative tactics.

Totally agree. Those dinky kicks in the last minutes of the game starve any excitement out. One day we will be on the receiving end of kicking backwards and let hope the umpires maintain consistency. 

Clearly a pre-game enema is on Jack Viney's "must do" list for our next game.  Maybe using Vicks vaporub as a lubricant may also add another yard or two to his pace?

  On 30/08/2020 at 12:31, titan_uranus said:

Formline for each club's last five games (i.e. ignoring byes. Also ignores percentages because I don't have that data right here, and might well mean we're not 2nd...):

1. Geelong - 5-0
2. Melbourne - 4-1
3. Richmond - 4-1
4. West Coast - 4-1
5. Brisbane - 4-1
6. Port Adelaide - 4-1
7. Collingwood - 4-1
8. St Kilda - 3-2
9. GWS - 3-2
10. Fremantle - 3-2
11. Bulldogs - 2-3
12. Carlton - 2-3
13. Gold Coast - 1-1-3
14. Essendon - 1-1-3
15. Hawthorn - 1-4
16. Sydney - 1-4
17. North Melbourne - 0-5
18. Adelaide - 0-5

Whoops, St Kilda should actually be 11th on 2-3.

  On 30/08/2020 at 11:33, Ethan Tremblay said:

I was serious about the poo. You could see him clenching as he was running, it was more of a shuffle really. 

should have let go in a clinch - could have scattered the field

  On 30/08/2020 at 13:48, Bay Riffin said:

and i think that criticism has been fair. whats scary though is he had the ex saints coach helping him. lets see if he can repeat it.

Whats scary is we won by about 2cm

 

  On 29/08/2020 at 13:01, Dame Gaga said:

Ratten does himself no favours pouting about it. I thought better of him than that. It was a clear goal. Yes it was touched, after it crossed the line. He should accept it. The goal umpire was right there. Ratten's team also got the benefit of some doubtful free kicks. Funny how no coach complains about that.

Agree. I like Ratten but I think he has been sucked in by his player D Howard here. He has to claim he touched it to deflect from his mistakes. 1. he shouldn’t have stopped at the marking contest. 3 on 1, he should have sprinted straight to the goal line. 2 watch how easy he his taking it when the ball looks like it’s going through for a behind, he doesn’t really take off till the ball dog legs toward goal. Poor defensive effort. 

  On 30/08/2020 at 23:40, jnrmac said:

Whats scary is we won by about 2cm

 

As my dad used to say jnr they don't put just won on the ladder. 

  On 31/08/2020 at 00:37, old dee said:

As my dad used to say jnr they don't put just won on the ladder. 

I'm assuming you're happy with the win, @old dee?

  On 31/08/2020 at 01:23, titan_uranus said:

I'm assuming you're happy with the win, @old dee?

Always happy with a win TU. 

The boys were quite composed during the last 90 seconds, I must admit when melksham gave away that free kick with about 14 seconds left in our forward half my MFCSS kicked in I did think about that final thrust forward a couple of years ago when the cats beat us at the cattery after the siren going end to end very quickly , btw after the umps missed a clear free to brayshaw iirc in our 50 !!! 

surprised that this time Dougal Howard took so long to kick it and then Kent wheeled around and looked for a option before centring the ball with about 2 or 3 seconds left maybe less. Although I wouldn’t have been at all surprised if the ump plucked another rubbish 50m penalty out from nowhere for a phantom demon player running though the protected zone and Kent slotted it after the siren 

petracca goal should be in GOTY contention but won’t because  of the rubbish goal line controversy - I guarantee the media outrage would not be there if it were the saints that did that to us , beyond ridiculous that this is still being talked about 

  On 31/08/2020 at 04:37, Delusional demon 82 said:

The boys were quite composed during the last 90 seconds, I must admit when melksham gave away that free kick with about 14 seconds left in our forward half my MFCSS kicked in I did think about that final thrust forward a couple of years ago when the cats beat us at the cattery after the siren going end to end very quickly , btw after the umps missed a clear free to brayshaw iirc in our 50 !!! 

surprised that this time Dougal Howard took so long to kick it and then Kent wheeled around and looked for a option before centring the ball with about 2 or 3 seconds left maybe less. Although I wouldn’t have been at all surprised if the ump plucked another rubbish 50m penalty out from nowhere for a phantom demon player running though the protected zone and Kent slotted it after the siren 

petracca goal should be in GOTY contention but won’t because  of the rubbish goal line controversy - I guarantee the media outrage would not be there if it were the saints that did that to us , beyond ridiculous that this is still being talked about 

Viney gets very, very, close to the protected zone on Kent's kick. I freaked out, I must admit.

  On 31/08/2020 at 04:47, titan_uranus said:

Viney gets very, very, close to the protected zone on Kent's kick. I freaked out, I must admit.

Thankfully Steele was next to him

  On 30/08/2020 at 04:46, picket fence said:

Sheesh I dont care how defensive he is, if you get 4 possesions last week and 8 this week = 12 in two games as a forward mainly then he is not and never will be the answer! Period. Yeah I know he had a career best game a few weeks back but that would be his past present and future career best. He needs to go. Surely Harley Bennell gets a gig at this guys expense next week??

Because if Harley comes in at the expense of Spargo watch a similar outcome to the Dogs waltzing out of their backline in the 3rd quarter 2 weeks ago

Stats such as possessions mean little all they do is assist journalists who have no footy IQ in writing up the best players 

  On 31/08/2020 at 04:47, titan_uranus said:

Viney gets very, very, close to the protected zone on Kent's kick. I freaked out, I must admit.

That loss to the Cats that @Delusional demon 82 referred to above was the most devastating H&A loss I can recall - it gutted me.

If Kent had kicked the sealer on Saturday night after a 50 I think that would have topped it.

  On 31/08/2020 at 04:37, Delusional demon 82 said:

petracca goal should be in GOTY contention but won’t because  of the rubbish goal line controversy - I guarantee the media outrage would not be there if it were the saints that did that to us , beyond ridiculous that this is still being talked about 

I think it was a goal, but quite frankly I'd be happy if it was touched before the line and the call was wrong and we still won.  It will become our Wayne Harmes moment when we go on to win this year's flag and the Saints miss the 8.

I really like some of the comments here about how we were able to beat a top 8 team without winning the inside midfield battle. 

We won a structural battle with St Kilda, as we won despite giving them the stoppage and territorial advantage that we usually use to win games. We mostly didn't allow them to get in behind us and forced them to win contests against our excellent defenders in order to kick goals, and they weren't able to. We were really good at forcing them to go through our zone, rather than around it like the Dogs did and they simply could score because of it. They kicked a few goal because of rank turnovers but those , unfortunately, will happen in almost any game of football.

It's a good sign that we can stay in games (and win games) when we aren't playing our best. It's a big tick for the plan and the scrappy, blue collar team we played with. 

  On 31/08/2020 at 05:08, Pollyanna said:

That loss to the Cats that @Delusional demon 82 referred to above was the most devastating H&A loss I can recall - it gutted me.

If Kent had kicked the sealer on Saturday night after a 50 I think that would have topped it.

Agree like a kick in the nuts, at the time it felt like it was going to cost us finals again, off the back of missing in 2017 by a bees [censored] - I was genuinely flat for about 24 hours after that loss. Still can’t stand Zach touhey ! The only redemption was that we then knocked those [censored] out in the elim final , but it probably cost us a top 3 finish with our high  % . Ah well maybe if we don’t lose that one we don’t hang on and beat west coast in rd 22 or even Adelaide the following week in which we almost fluffed a 20+ point lead in the last quarter. 

Coaches votes

Very similar voting by the coaches this week.

10 Steven May (MELB)

8   Christian Petracca (MELB)

6  Jack Steele (STK)

3  Bradley Hill (STK)

3  Ed Langdon (MELB)

Enormously deserved by May

 

Leaderboard:

• 75   Lachie Neale
• 62   Christian Petracca
• 59   Travis Boak
• 58    Taylor Adams
• 58    Jack Steele

Boak, Adams and Steel all have byes in the next few rounds so Petracca has a good chance of staying outright second.  Unlikely that he will catch up with Neale.

Edited August 31, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 31/08/2020 at 05:04, Pennant St Dee said:

Because if Harley comes in at the expense of Spargo watch a similar outcome to the Dogs waltzing out of their backline in the 3rd quarter 2 weeks ago

Stats such as possessions mean little all they do is assist journalists who have no footy IQ in writing up the best players 

They don’t waltz out with Spargo there PSD? He is close to the worst tackler in the team.

  On 31/08/2020 at 05:46, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

 

Leaderboard:

• 75   Lachie Neale
• 62   Christian Petracca
• 59   Travis Boak
• 58    Taylor Adams
• 58    Jack Steele

 

Go Trac,  you beast.  

  On 31/08/2020 at 04:47, titan_uranus said:

Viney gets very, very, close to the protected zone on Kent's kick. I freaked out, I must admit.

I’m surprised more of that was spoken about on Sat night.

We’ve been pinged so many 50’s for encroaching the protected area with Melksham being the serial offender.

That Kent play was so close to resulting in a 50mtr penalty and possible loss.