Lloyd: Trade Oliver or Brayshaw

[Watts the matter 1,235]

27 minutes ago, picket fence said:

That goes triple for me as well.

What about Brayshaw for Taberner straight swap?

Freo wouldn't do this.

[Paulo 285]

Suns got plenty of good young players 

B ainsworth is one i would like Melbourne to target next year just played 50 games and is starting to hit his straps

[DemonOX 8,791]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Not the worst idea, Ox.  We know Trac can play forward, Oliver is also pretty good above his head while Viney can play a 'bullocking' role at the feet of the talls when he rests down there.

We need to remember that Trac, Oliver and Viney don't play in the midfield for the entire game.  We always rotate some through.  If we wanted Harmes tagging someone specific, then he can go in there and we can rotate a little.  If we don't need him then he can just be part of the rotation.

Either way, we have options to change it up without robbing ourselves of having our best players in there.

@Rodney (Balls) Grinter
 

Consistently rotating our mids should be part of our game plan now especially that we have similar type mids but from what I can see it doesn’t happen much if at all. 
 

I know I’m not an AFL coach but this basic plan should be part of our game plan imo.

The further Goodwin has coached us the less confident I have become in his ability to get the best out of our list and provide a game plan that suits the list he has at his disposal. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by DemonOX

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, Gee N said:

The suggestions to trade either Oliver or Brayshaw has lot of merit. If you look at 2018 Brayshaw played mainly in the centre and Oliver the chaos player. Oliver has been found wanting last year and this and Gus has been shifted all over the ground . Oliver gets a lot of stats for possession but wastes most is very overrated  in my opinion.  Brayshaw on the other hand has more football smarts than oliver and I feel with more continuity of position offers greater longterm benefit. Oliver would also have more trade currency maybe around pick 19 - 22 

hahahahaha pick 19-22. LOL

Yeah let's trade our best mid of the last 20 years for an early 2nd rounder. I wouldn't exceptanything other than 2 early first rounders. 

you guys have rocks in your head!!

[Ted Lasso 19,414]

6 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

hahahahaha pick 19-22. LOL

Yeah let's trade our best mid of the last 20 years for an early 2nd rounder. I wouldn't exceptanything other than 2 early first rounders. 

you guys have rocks in your head!!

I wouldn't even trade Oliver for picks 1,2 and 3 in this years draft. 

it would take something very special to even consider it. 

Maybe if the Suns offered Noah Anderson and Ben King?

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I wouldn't even trade Oliver for picks 1,2 and 3 in this years draft. 

it would take something very special to even consider it. 

Maybe if the Suns offered Noah Anderson and Ben King?

I know right. People are going crazy on this board. 

[adonski 11,987]

14 hours ago, CYB said:

Apart from Libba they can all kick. 

Dunkley is a butcher 

[Gawndog98 362]

There is no point in trading brayshaw because we won't get any value at all for him, the absolute best a team would give for him is a second round pick, which especially in this year's draft doesn't have much currency to trade on for a need or will be good enough to pick a player that will have a big impact in the next few years. Trade Oliver or let Viney walk as a free agent for mine. If people want an outside classy player trading Brayshaw won't be enough to secure a player like that. Gotta give up value to get value. Brayshaw will also a better player by losing one of those 2 because he will actually get to play inside midfield. 

[whatwhat say what 22,713]

29 minutes ago, adonski said:

Dunkley is a butcher 

so is the bont

his set-shot goalkicking is worse than dangerfield

[deebug 1,754]

18 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

So if we're trading one of them, it's Brayshaw.  No offence to Gus, but he's not even in the same field as Oliver.  I'm not even so sure the club would look to trade Gus and, even if they did, I'm not sure we'll get what we want.  It's easy to say trade one, but it's harder to get the player we need.  They have to be out there and available.

Also, harsh assessment on Bennell.  His best was excellent, and even if he is a little past it due to his injury history, we've seen that he has the capability to contribute at a good level to our side.  

 

That comment about Bennell (@$$^% me off.

So we trade one of Gus or Oliver, then we have to go back and start again, no thank you. 

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

29 minutes ago, Gawndog98 said:

There is no point in trading brayshaw because we won't get any value at all for him, the absolute best a team would give for him is a second round pick, which especially in this year's draft doesn't have much currency to trade on for a need or will be good enough to pick a player that will have a big impact in the next few years. Trade Oliver or let Viney walk as a free agent for mine. If people want an outside classy player trading Brayshaw won't be enough to secure a player like that. Gotta give up value to get value. Brayshaw will also a better player by losing one of those 2 because he will actually get to play inside midfield. 

Sorry Gawndog, you don't trade your best players just because they have value. Trading Oliver in my eyes would be worse than trading Gawn and on par with trading Petracca. crazy thinking.

he is our best clearance player. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,691]

I've thought this since last year, Brayshaw will be traded at years end unfortunately.

We need to continue adding pieces to the puzzle and we have too many pieces in that position. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,202]

1 hour ago, DemonOX said:

@Rodney (Balls) Grinter
 

Consistently rotating our mids should be part of our game plan now especially that we have similar type mids but from what I can see it doesn’t happen much if at all. 
 

I know I’m not an AFL coach but this basic plan should be part of our game plan imo.

The further Goodwin has coached us the less confident I have become in his ability to get the best out of our list and provide a game plan that suits the list he has at his disposal. 

The problem is if the player (ie Brayshaw/Harmes) offers us little when they're not in the midfield we still have a problem. They need to be able to contribute when they are on the wing/flanks otherwise they are just list cloggers.

[Dr.D 1,771]

at the end of the day every inside mid becomes an outside mid when they don't have the ball and guys like Brayshaw don't have an outside game. 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,083]

19 hours ago, Demonland said:

(Ed) Langdon comes in who is tough but can’t kick the footy.

tough?! Better phrase would be: can run

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Brayshaw is one of those big bodied kids that always got to play on ball as a kid. His size, fitness and drive allowed him to get plenty of kicks as a junior. I am always suspicious of the kids that have a golden run on the ball as juniors. Its no good trying to learn to kick or handball properly once you hit the big time. He cannot or does not want to play anywhere but in the middle. 

[Grr-owl 1,219]

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Brayshaw is one of those big bodied kids that always got to play on ball as a kid. His size, fitness and drive allowed him to get plenty of kicks as a junior. I am always suspicious of the kids that have a golden run on the ball as juniors. Its no good trying to learn to kick or handball properly once you hit the big time. He cannot or does not want to play anywhere but in the middle. 

Played as if he's entitled these past 2 seasons.

[praha 11,238]

Oliver would net us a first round pick + solid player. Brayshaw has about as much value as Nathan Jones atm.

[Gawndog98 362]

3 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Sorry Gawndog, you don't trade your best players just because they have value. Trading Oliver in my eyes would be worse than trading Gawn and on par with trading Petracca. crazy thinking.

he is our best clearance player. 

I'm not saying we should trade Oliver, I'm just saying we won't get anything for Brayshaw if we get him. My opinion is we should let Viney walk then Brayshaw will be able to play inside mid and we get a good pick and cash to chase an outside classy player.

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, Gawndog98 said:

I'm not saying we should trade Oliver, I'm just saying we won't get anything for Brayshaw if we get him. My opinion is we should let Viney walk then Brayshaw will be able to play inside mid and we get a good pick and cash to chase an outside classy player.

Yeah I don't mind letting brayshaw go or even viney (more reluctant). But we had this problem years ago. with 2 early picks we picked Strauss and Sam Blease to address exactly the same problems. It's just another reminder that picks don't equate actually getting it right. 

[dpositive 1,663]

20 hours ago, tiers said:

Trade out Clarrie or Gus so we can watch them become stars of the game at another club under a better coach? Nuts!

I would rather trade the coach and find one who can maximise their potential.

Enough. The boys deserve better from the club. And more support and belief from us.

Totally agree.

We finally have some depth for rotation and some Lloyd want to get rid of that. Let the bombers take Goodwin back so we can get a coach who can use the squad we have successfully.

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

11 hours ago, Billy said:

If the MFC traded Oliver l would never financially/spiritually support this club ever again 

Thinking with your heart not your head there Billy. I think Oliver is great too but we all rated him based on his potential. His first couple of years were only amplified because of his raw talent and upside.

He has been exposed as a poor ball user and has low metres gained. Doesn’t get a tag anymore because he is not damaging. 

[Optimus D 283]

Trade Brayshaw?? Be lucky to get a 5th round pick for him.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Yeah lets trade Oliver.  LOL.    Whoever agreed with Matthew Lloyd please slap yourself

[Forest Demon 4,681]

15 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

At this point in time he isn’t top 100, but he was top 22 2 years ago at the age of 20/21 when he was AA.

Im still convinced this year will be a step backwards to take 2 forwards. He’s trying to hold onto the ball and take it on a bit more. He has lost confidence in his kicking, which has been nowhere near this bad in previous years, so I’m confident it will come.

Don’t usually quote myself, but I couldn’t agree with myself more. You could see tonight (as David King mentioned), he held the ball and took the game on. Tonight, it came off where it hasn’t in previous weeks. But the more it becomes the norm, the better he is going to get.