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Oh gawd no!
Granted there's not bad ideas in brainstorming, but if there was... this'd be it.

He doesn't have the temperament to coach.
Coaching is an obsession and vocation.  They sacrifice so much and Garry has never been interested in any way shape or form to make those lifestyle sacrifices.  Which is fair enough, not many would be willing to do that (including me).

He has also been out of the game for a very, very long time.  Outside of the International Rules Series, he hasn't been involved in a coaching capacity at any level (as far as I'm aware.). It is a completely different sport and world to the one he working in 22 years ago.

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55 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Oh really, you’re a mind reader now. 
Paul Gardner was The President when Bailey was appointed. The appointment was via a panel. 
we should have chosen Sheedy, but that was not Dean’s fault

I am sure Dean thinks highly of you too

That is so right SWYL    Sheedy would have been  good not just for the players also helping to pick certain kind of footballers in the Drafts.

He had something to offer.

Unfortunately Garry didn't like him otherwise we had him I believe....... Just for a few years would have done,  

 We would have picked some better and tougher players .  

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I'll always defend Garry and I don't have the hatred for him that many MFC fans have for 'destroying' our club but I don't agree that he is the man to take us to the promised land and honestly I don't think he would be keen. 

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25 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

That is so right SWYL    Sheedy would have been  good not just for the players also helping to pick certain kind of footballers in the Drafts.

He had something to offer.

Unfortunately Garry didn't like him otherwise we had him I believe....... Just for a few years would have done,  

 We would have picked some better and tougher players .  

Sheeds would have shaken the whole Club. 
which is exactly what we needed. 
We have had numerous opportunities over the years, but appointing First Time Coaches is easier, and they behave themselves 

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4 hours ago, Vineytime said:

One of the smartest footy brains out there, worth a chat.... IMO it would be something Gary thinks about considerably. 
A great of the MFC, excellent leader. 

One of the smartest footy brains out there?

Seriously?

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2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I was told this by an ex assistant coach at the Dees back in 2015 when we bumped into him while we were having beers and a BBQ just before new years eve in Corowa. He comes up every year during the summer period by the Murray with his family.

Melbourne sought out Ross Lyon, Michael Malthouse and also Alistair Clarkson at the time. The theme was to go for an experienced coach as the board felt the players needed a fair shake up by a good hard taskmaster.

When they spoke to Ross Lyon he declined as he had already told the club that he had committed to the saints. Garry Lyon and Ross Lyon shared the same manager in Craig Kelly, and Kelly even told Lyon that Ross had verbally committed to the saints but just hadn't signed as of yet. Ross then behind everyone's back has a secret meeting with the dockers and the rest is history. Even his manager Craig Kelly was caught completely off guard. Melbourne wanted him, but Ross had bigger things going on.

Clarkson was offered a huge package deal. Garry Lyon and to a degree Stynes really pushed Clarkson hard, but he was contracted at the time and knew that a dynasty was only around the corner.

Lyon then spoke to Malthouse. Mick had already confirmed that he was taking time off coaching (this was in 2011 after he finished up at the pies) and instead was looking at going into the media. It was there that Malthouse Apparently gave a glowing and raving endorsement about one of his young and up and coming assistant coaches in Mark Neeld.

After the Dees missed out on their targeted experience men, they then changed their direction and interviewed the likes of Brendan McCartney, Alan Richardson and Mark Neeld.

The rest is history as they say. 

All I will say is Garry Lyon tried what every melbourne supporter wanted at the time and that was go for the experienced coach we needed. Unfortunately we just ran out of options it seems. I dont blame Garry for the Neeld [censored] up. 

My mail Dazzle is Garry never actually spoke to Ross  he did all the talking with Ned Kelly who was trying to negotiate an extension with St Kilda.

Ned was blindsided by Ross and I believe Garry's approach to Ned was just before Lyon had started seriously talking to Freo

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4 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

My mail Dazzle is Garry never actually spoke to Ross  he did all the talking with Ned Kelly who was trying to negotiate an extension with St Kilda.

Ned was blindsided by Ross and I believe Garry's approach to Ned was just before Lyon had started seriously talking to Freo

Yeah it could be the case @Pennant St Dee. It's obvious though that Ross was doing all this without even his own management knowing.

Another obvious thing was that Ross Lyon was definitely on the list of high priority. Makes you wonder if we had snagged one of Clarkson or Lyon at the time what our club would look like know.

So many what ifs. 

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4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah it could be the case @Pennant St Dee. It's obvious though that Ross was doing all this without even his own management knowing.

Another obvious thing was that Ross Lyon was definitely on the list of high priority. Makes you wonder if we had snagged one of Clarkson or Lyon at the time what our club would look like know.

So many what ifs. 

Really feel for you all back in Victoria at this time,  when the team performs like that.

At least I have my boys both playing juniors on Sundays and we can go and watch Ammos games every Saturday.

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3 hours ago, Demon3 said:

Also while im at i thought this tweet from the official Cheersquad was classless, cheap and very disrespectful..

 

 
 
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Although tonight’s performance is as Garry says, he will forever be remembered for bringing in Neeld. To begin a complete deestroyation of the MFC. That’s some sort of legacy, Garry.

Pathetic from the Demon Army. Absolutely pathetic. Why make it personal if you agree with his comments in this situation? It just smacks of settling old scores.

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6 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Yeah umm no.

The last time he was involved seriously with the club, he brought Mark Neeld in.

Garry is a passionate MFC supporter, but he should be nothing more or nothing less.

 

And the time before that it was the late Dean Bailey (R.I.P.) over Kevin Sheedy.  Albeit he wasn't the only one making the decision it was this group think decision that ultimately then lead to the Mark Neeld decision.

Out of the frying pan.....Twice bitten VERY shy.... no thanks.

Would rather have Lyon or Hodge (if he was in the system with an apprenticeship under his belt) over Gazza.

Clarko's the one you want.

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3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

It was a disgraceful tweet. Thankfully they took it down after his brother gave them a serve.

Unfortunately it's still up there dazzle - it's in the replies section.

Absolutely pathetic, and anyone who's on Twitter should make their feelings known.  

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4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 Stop trying to be an outraged internet person and be a grown up.

Hilarious coming from you.
Nearly fell off my chair.

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6 hours ago, CYB said:

I dint think so. Coaches work hard for years to get a senior position. It is too late for him, could have maybe 10 years ago, but chose the media career. 

6mths off a year, sit in a chair talking footy a couple days a week without having to prove anything and top coin.
Good decision.

 

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11 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I won't if he our next coach. Don't blame me I didn't start the thread.

Hopefully just for the sake of you moving on he will be our next coach

Talk about holding on to a grudge you probably know stuff all about 

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13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Garry had already said he didn't have the experience or knowledge to be involved, then his dying best mate asked him to step in.

You're criticizing him for that with pretty over the top language. That's a pathetic effort IMO.

 

 

13 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

You may be right but Lyon to my knowledge was not on the board or employed in the FD, he was asked to provide a consulting role to advise on coach selection. Consultants advise, management ultimately wears the decision. By the way I can’t remember all the detail but I was comfortable with the Bailey appointment, I reckon he could coach but was under resourced and undermined by Schwab and I still believe the Neeld appointment was influenced by Schwab who wanted a newby he could control. No way he would have accepted a Sheedy appointment in my opinion. In short the problem was Schwab and his interference in the FD, specifically in coaching appointments and draft selections. 

 

12 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Ring Garry on Monday Morning and have a chat. I will tune in

jimmy was dying and asked for help...

It wasn't Jimmy's position to ask for help.

I actually blame the board for the position we found ourselves in.

Jimmy should not have held the Presidency when ill and they should never have allowed him to bring Garry in.

It should never have come to this.

As for CS and the rest, well that was the old boys club at work.

Garry was key to this as he was key to Bailey's sacking...don't think he wasn't wielding influence not only in the media but behind the scenes.

As for him coaching.

Give me a break...he can sit in the media and throw the odd grenade.

All care no responsibility.

Leave him there.

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What would he do for us exactly.. provide special comments at training sessions and intraclubs?

Hes a media man and always has been since he retired from footy.     Great player though. Too bad his back gave out when he was at his peak, would have kicked 600+ career goals if not for that.

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16 hours ago, Billy said:

Get him off easy street in the media to have a crack at this pile of rabbits droppings of a club

If he gives two hoots he’ll have a crack, apparently was brilliant coaching the all stars back in the day.

Has a fantastic footy brain & a brilliant captain of the club

Unless we can get Clarko 😉

Your first line tells you the answer. Why would he risk his reputation to have a crack at this pile you allude to??

I'm not sure he would be the answer. Maybe but I reckon we lack ruthlessness in all areas. That's why we have been so shizen for so long!

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16 hours ago, Billy said:

Get him off easy street in the media to have a crack at this pile of rabbits droppings of a club

If he gives two hoots he’ll have a crack, apparently was brilliant coaching the all stars back in the day.

Has a fantastic footy brain & a brilliant captain of the club

Unless we can get Clarko 😉

no way we get him , PLEASE NO , Garry is all about Garry , everything he has done to help MFC has gone backwards, do not get him to help even pick a coach , let alone coach.  i could honestly say I would leave the MFC, and thats saying something , Ive been here for 50 odd years and came close but always loved and been somehow involved, its in my blood and always drawn me back! sick I know. 

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15 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Choosing Bailey ahead of Sheedy and choosing Neeld. He brought the club to it's knees. The biggest know nothing footballer of all time. Just ask him it wasn't his fault couldn't be.

Alright let's agree to disagree.

Apologies for making it personal, i regret my earlier comments.

I dont care if u dislike garry.

 

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From memory I think Garry has dismissed the notion of ever taking up a coaching role himself. He does quite nicely as is, thank you.

Why would he give up a perfectly good, secure job to coach.🤨

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12 hours ago, A F said:

Pathetic from the Demon Army. Absolutely pathetic. Why make it personal if you agree with his comments in this situation? It just smacks of settling old scores.

Whoever writes tweets are never held to account. We don't even know who wrote this. It could have been a 15 year old with no idea. Just had a few spare moments to vent some poison. Who's in charge of that account? They should be ashamed.

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39 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

Whoever writes tweets are never held to account. We don't even know who wrote this. It could have been a 15 year old with no idea. Just had a few spare moments to vent some poison. Who's in charge of that account? They should be ashamed.

The people who run the Dee Army are fantastic people who put in an incredible amount of time, effort and money into what they do. They, and some of the more 'senior' cheer squad members, are among the most 'salt of the Earth' type supporters you could meet and from what I know would not be happy with this kind of thing.

In saying that, some of the younger members have shown some appalling behaviour online and I would not be surprised at all if it was one of them who is either in charge of the twitter or posted that specific tweet. Very surprised it's still up.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

The people who run the Dee Army are fantastic people who put in an incredible amount of time, effort and money into what they do. They, and some of the more 'senior' cheer squad members, are among the most 'salt of the Earth' type supporters you could meet and from what I know would not be happy with this kind of thing.

In saying that, some of the younger members have shown some appalling behaviour online and I would not be surprised at all if it was one of them who is either in charge of the twitter or posted that specific tweet. Very surprised it's still up.

Yes, in no way was I criticizing the cheer squad members who do a fantastic job. All respect to them. It's this social media aspect which always seems to get out of hand and ends up being negative and harmful instead of fun.

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