This season is so poor that there's a very real possibility we will be handing over Pick 1 in the draft to North Melbourne. That would be the ultimate embarrassment and clearest possible evidence of a stuff up.

FWIW, from sources within and close to the club, I'm also hearing plenty about board changes. Board and leaders are unsure if issue is coaches or players. Also hearing that the coaches are unhappy with a certain "clique" of players who appear to be embedding poor behaviors into other more impressionable team mates. We are legitimately back to Neeld era culture of division.

Things are not good internally at the moment. I admire positivity of some supporters, but fact is we are a long way off the pace and have issues as a club we need to address before we can ever dream of becoming successful onfield again.

Edited July 7, 20205 yr by Lord Travis

41 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Board challenge jungle drums are starting...

 

Is it too much to ask for a Sugar Daddy? You know, Visy/Toll/Linfox...

 

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Yeah, I'm not saying it's something I'm keen on or that it'll be helpful, but there are some very passionate and powerful Melbourne people who are as equally frustrated at the moment as some supporters and are seriously considering taking action from what I've heard.

To be fair, it's far more than 4 games though. It's as bad a 18 months as we've ever experienced, and that gets lumped onto the decades of frustration whether we like it or not.

The fact we haven't consistently performed since the 60s is the reason this kind of thing is never that far away.

Sure, I hear you.

Maybe we should start distributing testosterone tablets to the very passionate and powerful so they can feel better without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and leaving us all further away from the ultimate success than we already are.

13 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I find it hard to argue with people who purposefully distort their use of data to their predetermined positions.

If you're going to quote Goodwin's record as backing your position, at least have the honesty to use all of his record at Melbourne, which is (33–36–0) (W-L-D) from 2017-2019.

And the only coach of our past 4 or more, to take us into finals...

Lots went wrong last year, much has been done to address it, only some of it was Goodwins responsibility.

So this year, we are 4 games into weird season having played 3 of the top 5 teams from last year, we sit 1-3...

IN MY OPINION - it is not the time to pull down the house.

You don’t have to argue with me

Goodwin got smashed in the Prelim Final completely ( Remember the score at Halftime)

Since then not much has changed...

6-21

What was everyone expectation this season/ Top 8 top 4??? We have lost 2 games to the last 3 premiership teams. Played the only away game against WCE in Perth so far. Lost 1 game to last years minor premiers. We havnt been beaten with back to back 100 point losses. Should have / could have won the last 2 games playing terrible and gifting goals with poor skill and decision making. I would rather play cr@p and just loose to these team knowing we can get better than play our best and still loose. A lot of people joining in on the media pile on.

Edited July 7, 20205 yr by Grimes Times

12 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Anything to add to the topic or just a drive by

 

You can but laugh.

Personally i do not understand what people get from deliberately trying to wind others up on an internet forum. Particularly one such as the demonland forum where people actually share and care about a common passion. 

Even more inexplicable winding people up at point in time where everyone is at various stages of frustration about where our club is at.

But each to their own.

But leaving that aside how you could post this comment in a thread that you have only visited (despite or more likely because of the thread title) to bag the so called 'perpetual whinegers (sic) and whiners' completely defies my sense of understanding what motivates some people.

I mean is it possible to be any more hypocritical/ What would you like people to add? Don't answer. I know the answer and that is to respond to your baiting. Which of course i have just done.

But for the last time. I'm done with reading your comments and unpleasant interest in upsetting people. There is enough angst in the world at the moment without reading the comments of an adult who enjoys upsetting people for his own amusement.

So i'll take the mod's adice and yours for that matter and put you on ignore. And this time for good.

And all sarcasm aside (as i know i can default to that) can i sincerely ask other posters who choose to engage with Saty's baiting to not quote him or if responding to a particular comment perhaps deleting all but the first couple of words so it is clear what the post is referring to. Thanks in advance

 

IMO it is worse than last year we played better last year with half the squad injured or no pre season. Last year we were in front or close in a lot of games and ran out of steam in the last quarter. This Year we are poor from the start.

1. 1965-1986 - lost years

2. 1987 - cruelled by a siren

3. 1990 - a winnable year (beaten by a draw that cost us momentum)

4.1994 - a winnable year (beaten by an AFL created super team)

5.1998 - a winnable year (we beat crows by 48 points but couldn't get another chance)

2020 doesn't rate in this group.

8 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

What was everyone expectation this season/ Top 8 top 4??? 

Top 8 was my expectation, anything less would render a fail in my books. As to who we have lost to, none of the teams who have beaten us were/are setting the world on fire and our only win we literally fell across the line after squandering a 42 point lead. 

But beyond that what is demoralising me when we lose is it's the same mistakes every week. We give up easy goals in the same way in a stretch that costs us the game. We look impotent in the forward line. Our skills cost us chances of getting back into the game.

We will need to go on the mother of all run of wins to salvage this season.

Very bad.

13 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

What was everyone expectation this season/ Top 8 top 4??? We have lost 2 games to the last 3 premiership teams. Played the only away game against WCE in Perth so far. Lost 1 game to last years minor premiers. We havnt been beaten with back to back 100 point losses. Should have / could have won the last 2 games playing terrible and gifting goals with poor skill and decision making. I would rather play cr@p and just loose to these team knowing we can get better than play our best and still loose. A lot of people joining in on the media pile on.

Geelong were a player down for most of the game. Richmond, too. And the skills on display were horrid.

It was two top teams that barely left second gear. Geelong should have been further ahead than it was. Richmond, too. 

If not for some solid defensive synergy we'd have lost both by 8+ goals such was the gap in effectiveness and structure around the ground. 

14 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

This season is so poor that there's a very real possibility we will be handing over Pick 1 in the draft to North Melbourne. That would be the ultimate embarrassment and clearest possible evidence of a stuff up.

FWIW, from sources within and close to the club, I'm also hearing plenty about board changes. Board and leaders are unsure if issue is coaches or players. Also hearing that the coaches are unhappy with a certain "clique" of players who appear to be embedding poor behaviors into other more impressionable team mates. We are legitimately back to Neeld era culture of division.

Things are not good internally at the moment. I admire positivity of some supporters, but fact is we are a long way off the pace and have issues as a club we need to address before we can ever dream of becoming successful onfield again.

I know who.

Whom @praha?

A team consisting of 44 players in an elite environment has a potential ‘clique’ - I.Dont.Believe.It...!!! 

Edited July 8, 20205 yr by Ethan Tremblay

A rumoured board challenge.... that would top it right off if true. Unless they have $$$$$$$$millions to tip in, tell them to stop and have a good hard think about it. 

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

A rumoured board challenge.... that would top it right off if true. Unless they have $$$$$$$$millions to tip in, tell them to stop and have a good hard think about it. 

Well the current lot have not exactly set the world on fire. If These results continue the board should stand down and give someone else a go. It will be time.

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

A rumoured board challenge.... that would top it right off if true. Unless they have $$$$$$$$millions to tip in, tell them to stop and have a good hard think about it. 

Time is running down....

I presume the OP's title is asking how bad we are now compared to previous years or maybe to other clubs.  IMO it is madness to assume either question can be sensibly answered yet (although it is clear we are not good). 

Did anyone else see the photo of the lockdown towers this morning on social media. The handmade signs with the word “help” were replaced with words “sack Goodwin”. 
Full marks to whoever came up with that. Bloody hilarious.

On 7/7/2020 at 11:53 AM, PaulRB said:

This year we have played 4 games with

• 3 of them against last years top 5 (Geelong #1, Richmond #3 and Premier, Westcoast #5) we've lost all 3.
• 1 game against one of the other 12 teams (i.e. not in the top 5) in Carlton which we won.

So too soon to panic, as I'd not have rated us top 5 coming into 2020, but would like to think we can squeeze into the top 8 once the season's complete. 

Beat Suns and Hawks, and we are 3:3 with only 2 of top 5 to play in the 11 remaining games, so its doable.

... and here we are. Bounce for all the Henny penny fans bemoaning that the sky was falling... @Engorged Onion ?

Edited July 20, 20204 yr by PaulRB

2 hours ago, PaulRB said:

... and here we are. Bounce for all the Henny penny fans bemoaning that the sky was falling... @Engorged Onion ?

It's like you're some modern day Nostradamus or sumthin'...

2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

It's like you're some modern day Nostradamus or sumthin'...

Just  “Loving the sunshine lollypops and rainbows”... 

Ahh Demonland

Beautiful one day, perfect the next

Incredible thread. Nice work @PaulRB and @Grimes Times. BS from the usual suspects.

Yours sincerely

Pollyanna