Is Mahoney the right guy?

[Watts the matter 1,235]

24 minutes ago, TheKozzieExperience said:

I wonder who we would have drafted with the pick we traded for 27 year old defender May.

I tell myself it wouldn't have been Ben King just to feel better.

What a shambles!

Even if it wasn't, it would have been Bailey Smith. Best to just try and forget about it.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

10 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Supporters sick of talk, you wouldn't think so from the pages and pages of waffle from the couch bound Chairmen, CEOs, Football Managers and Coaches on here

Dead set confirmed. You are a plant and do not like supporters upsetting your cosy complicet apple cart.  Pass the camembert, oh is there a game on as well as all this food, wine and grovelling to the hierachy.

[dazzledavey36 54,951]

43 minutes ago, TheKozzieExperience said:

I wonder who we would have drafted with the pick we traded for 27 year old defender May.

I tell myself it wouldn't have been Ben King just to feel better.

What a shambles!

I know for a fact that we were trying to trade back into the first round for Zak Butters.

He's having a pretty solid career at Port so far.

[Lucifers Hero 39,870]

1 hour ago, MF-C said:

He's done well the last few years

More concern is surrounding Plapp, Goody, Chaplin and Matthews. 

No forward line coach either right? 

I don't buy into them at all 

 

1 hour ago, Action Jackson said:

I'd like to see us do a Richmond and keep Goody for stability and change assistants.

We need to invest in the best forward line coach we can find!

 

1 hour ago, tiers said:

If he doesn't play or coach, leave him alone. The board should provide additional match day coaching support for goodwon. He needs it badly.

Firstly, head coach/coaches report to Mahoney.  He participates in and signs off on coaching staff, game plan, trades and list management decisions.

Mid 2019 he had a coaching restructure, then a full blown coaching/FD review at EOS.  Coaches we have now is supposedly the answer to our disasterous 2019.

Our opportunity to change assistants was end of 2019.  We chose not to recruit a forward coach.  We chose to let go the experienced coaches (Rawlings, Jennings, McCartney), keep the rookies (Plapp, Chaplin) and recruited Richardson.

imv we didn't make the most of that opportunity: too many rookie assistants trying to support a rookie coach.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[3183 Dee 2,853]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

A part of me think this probably needs to be the case.

After last years review, I was shocked that the likes of Chaplin, Plapp, Rooke were all kept on as assistants. 

I don't rate any of them.

Maybe they are ‘yes’ men?

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

36 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Dead set confirmed. You are a plant and do not like supporters upsetting your cosy complicet apple cart.  Pass the camembert, oh is there a game on as well as all this food, wine and grovelling to the hierachy.

Nah, not a fan of blowhard  couldabeens who do nothing but whinge and whine

We keep having AGM and last year a Members Forum, do the blowhards stand up and air their grievances at a forum they can?

Nah, they prefer to snipe from behind the anonymity of a nickname

I am certainly not happy with some of the decisions made, but given the opportunity I have expressed that face to face, like men do (sorry ladies)

I have no desire to devote my time to being a Board Member at a footy club, it is a particularly thankless task at Melbourne

If you want to create change, get yourself on the Board, it is a right as a fully paid up member, if you are one, to put yourself forward for election

More a tasty cheddar or maasdam man myself

You also seem to be saying that the club is doing something unlawful or morally wrong as that is the meaning of complicit, if that was the word you were reaching for

Of course I keep forgetting that there is an air of infallibility amongst the posters on Demonland, never made a mistake or wrong move, particularly in their work life

[3183 Dee 2,853]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Supporters sick of talk, you wouldn't think so from the pages and pages of waffle from the couch bound Chairmen, CEOs, Football Managers and Coaches on here

Saty, the current group in charge are not doing a very good job. That is a fact. Supporters have every right to air their opinion and suggest changes or ideas. Especially when they are being asked to shell out hard-earned coin on top of their annual membership, to help bail the club out. A club that has given very little the other way, in terms of value for money, over recent years.

[rjay 24,939]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Nigh on 13 years, 10 years in football admin.

From Wikipedia:

• Assistant Coach (forward) 2008 to 2011
• In September 2011, Mahoney was appointed Melbourne's Football Manager after Mark Neeld was appointed as senior coach.
• In September 2013, Mahoney was appointed Melbourne's General Manager - Football Operations by CEO Peter Jackson.

When Pert had the FD review last year, I strongly argued on DL that Mahoney should not have been involved in the review of his own department; a department where he had been party to nearly every coaching appointment/departure and overseen list management since 2016 (half way thru Roos' last season) and could not possibly be objective nor independent. 

The FD on and off field is of his making.

Not sure the length of his contract but assuming it was 3 years it would expire this year or next.

I think we both were pretty much wanting an external review.

Of course it's one thing to have a thorough review and another thing altogether to take action on it.

...but if things don't improve this year we will have wasted another year but will probably get that review...

I hope.

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

Impossible to know from the outside but I guess the first thing to establish is just what does he do? What are his core responsibilities?

1. Manages the salary cap
2. Manages the football spending - coaches, fitness staff medical staff etc
3. Controls the media access to the football department
4. Supports the senior coach with their duties
5. Has an overall plan for the football department
6. Executes trades/recruiting

What are his major accomplishments:
 - Landing a number of major player recruits
- Signing Darren Burgess
- Signing Goodwin and Alan Richardson (rightly or wrongly)
- Avoiding scandal or drama with the media

What are his apparent failures:
- Being reactive with player recruitment, we spent so much on tall defenders and wingers because we didn't have any developing. The overall strategy of loading the list with inside mids and slow flankers was very costly
- Keeping Dave Misson when he was a lame duck
- Apparently being very easy at trade time. He refuses to push when we have leverage for small gains that can add up
- Extending veterans - Garlett, Vince, Lewis, Jones extra years they were never going to perform in

 But my biggest concern is this:
He wasn't a recruiter with a trained eye for talent. He wasn't an experienced coach who had coached his own side and either studied the technical side of the game or experienced the culture of coaching. He doesn't have successful business experience with an edge like the banker the Saints hired or lawyer the Swans hired, he was handed a 20+ Million dollar core business department to run because Neeld needed someone and he did a Harvard business course.

If he is good at his job it's because he's done the on the job learning and soaked up a lot from Paul Roos in 3 years and is bright and inquisitive and uses those study tours and connections to advantage. Otherwise you compare his CV to Neil Balme and what hope do does he have?

My current opinion is he's good at solving problems but not proactive about finding the winning edges we need. And when you've got a coach who's going from an advantage in 2018 to a problem now then that doesn't help that coach turn things around.

[Pennant St Dee 13,190]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

A part of me think this probably needs to be the case.

After last years review, I was shocked that the likes of Chaplin, Plapp, Rooke were all kept on as assistants. 

I don't rate any of them.

I would have chased Caracella hard as senior assistant, I'm still undecided on Goody, people who say there's been no change are off the mark. Results may still be disappointing but the players are trying to hold the ball a little to long to try and hit up a target.

The forward line is looking to have been made a little  more mobile, but whilst we're not at last years coversion % for inside 50s, it's still not great.

The defence needs continuity and unfortunately father time has caught up with Nev.

I couldn't care less about the North trade, I like what I have seen in Kossie, Rivers and Jackson.

Trades - The North trade happy

Lever - was showing goods signs before the knee but needs continuity although IMO the price was to high

May - turned up unfit but as above but after 2018 was desperately needed

Langdon and Tomlinson for me a little to early to call but like the 2 way running which we hadn't had previously 

My hope was to target Casboult ( as posted on Dland) when he was OOC to give Tmac a chop out whilst Weid stayed in the VFL for another year or so, but such is life

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Like Flies to a pile of poo ? 

Satyr is having a crack at Supporters again. 

Vicious Sniper extraodinaire
 

“We should all be quiet and accept what is thrown our way...”

P.S. We need $5mill, what do you say...?

[TheKozzieExperience 258]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nah, not a fan of blowhard  couldabeens who do nothing but whinge and whine

We keep having AGM and last year a Members Forum, do the blowhards stand up and air their grievances at a forum they can?

Nah, they prefer to snipe from behind the anonymity of a nickname

I am certainly not happy with some of the decisions made, but given the opportunity I have expressed that face to face, like men do (sorry ladies)

I have no desire to devote my time to being a Board Member at a footy club, it is a particularly thankless task at Melbourne

If you want to create change, get yourself on the Board, it is a right as a fully paid up member, if you are one, to put yourself forward for election

More a tasty cheddar or maasdam man myself

You also seem to be saying that the club is doing something unlawful or morally wrong as that is the meaning of complicit, if that was the word you were reaching for

Of course I keep forgetting that there is an air of infallibility amongst the posters on Demonland, never made a mistake or wrong move, particularly in their work life

 

You should join the MFC board Saty.

At least then I know for sure the club would be dead within 12 months and we would all be put out of our misery.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nah, not a fan of blowhard  couldabeens who do nothing but whinge and whine

We keep having AGM and last year a Members Forum, do the blowhards stand up and air their grievances at a forum they can?

Nah, they prefer to snipe from behind the anonymity of a nickname

I am certainly not happy with some of the decisions made, but given the opportunity I have expressed that face to face, like men do (sorry ladies)

I have no desire to devote my time to being a Board Member at a footy club, it is a particularly thankless task at Melbourne

If you want to create change, get yourself on the Board, it is a right as a fully paid up member, if you are one, to put yourself forward for election

More a tasty cheddar or maasdam man myself

You also seem to be saying that the club is doing something unlawful or morally wrong as that is the meaning of complicit, if that was the word you were reaching for

Of course I keep forgetting that there is an air of infallibility amongst the posters on Demonland, never made a mistake or wrong move, particularly in their work life

Nice attempt at moving the conversation. Demonland is a forum where supporters bring up a topic and then others can have their opinion on that topic. This topic is, "Is Mahoney the right guy"  Now it would be wonderful if our topics were, Dees win three in a row, Hogan on top of the goalkicking,  Demons get a home preliminary final, but that is not reality.  You gave the game away again with your,  face to face like men comment. I reckon the extend of you fronting an MFC official would be complaining about the bread on your cheese board. The only board that would have you.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nah, not a fan of blowhard  couldabeens who do nothing but whinge and whine

We keep having AGM and last year a Members Forum, do the blowhards stand up and air their grievances at a forum they can?

Nah, they prefer to snipe from behind the anonymity of a nickname

I am certainly not happy with some of the decisions made, but given the opportunity I have expressed that face to face, like men do (sorry ladies)

Of course I keep forgetting that there is an air of infallibility amongst the posters on Demonland, never made a mistake or wrong move, particularly in their work life

Edited June 30, 2020 by Ethan Tremblay

[drysdale demon 4,837]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I know for a fact that we were trying to trade back into the first round for Zak Butters.

He's having a pretty solid career at Port so far.

What makes you think that Port would let him go

Edited June 30, 2020 by drysdale demon
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20 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

You gave the game away again with your,  face to face like men comment. I reckon the extend of you fronting an MFC official would be complaining about the bread on your cheese board. The only board that would have you.

You really know how to inflict a savage blow.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

6 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

What makes you think that Port would let him go

We tried to trade down picks on draft night to draft Zac Butters as he was somebody we liked  but no body was willing to trade with us and Port drafted him.

[drysdale demon 4,837]

6 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

We tried to trade down picks on draft night to draft Zac Butters as he was somebody we liked  but no body was willing to trade with us and Port drafted him.

That doesn't mean that Port would now let him go.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

If we continue on the path we are heading, then I would say we could start a thread that says 'not many involved at the club are the right guy', as you would expect heads to roll if we were to finish bottom 6.

However, who knows what this season holds right now?  Fixtures are up in the air, hubs are creating chaos... we have no idea how much of the season there is left to play, and what standard it will be if it goes ahead.

The only thing in their favour right now is that we have three games to go on.  One was a loss out West before restrictions took place (thus, the Eagles were a different proposition to the one now stuck in a hub).  We rolled Carlton by a point, and lost to the Cats by two.  Granted, we probably only played 2-3 quarters worth of watchable football out of the 8 played, but I think we need a bigger sample size before we start chucking these guys off the West Gate.

But questions will get asked, and rightly so, if we can't get our game together.  That will fall on Goodwin first, but you would assume others like Mahoney might step away as well to help give the club a bigger refresh at admin level.  I wouldn't be opposed to that as it would make sense.  To me, there is still some water to go under the bridge until we reach that point, but there isn't a whole lot of water left.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

 

I couldn't care less about the North trade, I like what I have seen in Kossie, Rivers and Jackson.

 

Spot on, Pennant.  People will bemoan the trade, we gave up next year's first rounder and blah blah blah.

Pickett is exactly the type of player we need.  Rivers has made a terrific start to his career and, while Jackson will take time, he is the prototype to the modern AFL player.  Tall, agile, smart and a good user of the footy for a kid his size.  He will develop and become a major part of our side down the track.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

4 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

That doesn't mean that Port would now let him go.

No one said we tried to trade with Port. We tried to trade down on draft night to pick ourselves.

[drysdale demon 4,837]

1 minute ago, Grimes Times said:

No one said we tried to trade with Port. We tried to trade down on draft night to pick ourselves.

You better have a look at What dazzledavey posted. that is what my question was based on

[Redleg 40,944]

4 hours ago, Elegt said:

He gave away 3 first rounders for lever and may who have both struggled at the club. Gotta go for sure

They both have had injuries, but were part of a defence Sunday that only conceded 7 goals. Pretty good I would have thought.  
 

[TheoX 1,222]

His trading has a stench about it, massively overpaying for the likes of an uncontracted Lever, elderly May and big reach in Pickett.

And banging on about how Hogan will be getting the highest value for a trade ever seen, then trades him for one first rounder, even if that turned out OK for us. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

2 minutes ago, TheoX said:

His trading has a stench about it, massively overpaying for the likes of an uncontracted Lever, elderly May and big reach in Pickett.

And banging on about how Hogan will be getting the highest value for a trade ever seen, then trades him for one first rounder, even if that turned out OK for us. 

If May is considered 'elderly' then I'm a certified grandpa.