There's no doubt he plays his best in the middle and he is clearly our best gut running mid when on song but why do the coaches need to take sole blame for this? I'm sorry but it's getting a bit trite having all these apparent AFL footballers who are playing the game when positions are most fluid who can only play in one position and can't even do a job in another. 

Yes I'd love to see him back in the middle and would like nothing more than to see it but this lack of flexibility with our players has become extremely frustrating. 

12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Played his best footy in the 2nd half of 2018 when Viney wasn't there. So yes I'd take Viney out who imo upsets our midfield mix. The fact Goodwin has even caught onto this shows why he hasn't improved as a coach. 

Its also being smart in using your midfield mix.  

Its no coincidence that we got our run on back in the back half of 2018 due to the tagging efforts of Harmes. Not only was he shutting down some of the best names in the league, he was going out and getting the pill himself.

We've taken the biggest strength we had in our side and turned into [censored].

 

I thnk this sums up what I was trying to say about "best 22".

Viney is best 22 but can only play in the guts. If he was on the wing, forward or back we'd be having the same convo about how he was playing poorly.

So put Harmes in the guts move Viney to a HBF (? won't work), HFF (? maybe). So who gets dropped? Not Fritsch or VDB. So probably Jones/Hannan.

I'm OK with trying that, but it is a balance. We now probably have an underperforming mid at HFF that we'll complain about.

49 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This will be up there as one of the strangest and bizarre coaching moves in my time supporting this club.

A genuine gun midfielder when on song, and  is yet being wasted away in another position where he's barely fired a shot for majority of the year.

Yet another bizzaro Goody experiment that shows no signs of ending Dazzle.  What a complete and utter fail.

Rivers in for Harmes.  Harmes takes over from Sparrow in the middle, pushing forward at times.

Simples.

Harmes' confidence is shot. For his sake he needs dropping.

With that said, he should have tagged the Bont given his form last week. 

43 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Yet another bizzaro Goody experiment that shows no signs of ending Dazzle.  What a complete and utter fail.

Rivers in for Harmes.  Harmes takes over from Sparrow in the middle, pushing forward at times.

Simples.

Harmes has been great this year. This Demonland forum is full of fools.

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Signed a 5 year deal last year didn't he? That's a heft contract to break.

Be that as it may, neither Harmes nor the MFC are benefiting ATM

I'm ok with giving him time, one poor season does not make him a liability by any stretch. But I definitely do not think we are making the most of his strengths, and imo he can't be happy with his form or where he is playing.

36 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

Harmes has been great this year. This Demonland forum is full of fools.

If Harmes has had a great season then i'm Uncle's monkey.

If he can’t be fit into the midfield, then play him forward. He’s a capable mark and has been a goal kicker in the past. He’s been woeful in defense and shouldn’t be in the team on current form. Send him forward and get his confidence back up by playing him to his strengths.

54 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

Harmes has been great this year

Not a chance. The pressure is off, he has his contract.

He's been terrible

14 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

If he can’t be fit into the midfield, then play him forward. He’s a capable mark and has been a goal kicker in the past. He’s been woeful in defense and shouldn’t be in the team on current form. Send him forward and get his confidence back up by playing him to his strengths.

We need to stop moving players around.  He is out of form, try some one else.  Rivers has shown more this year, Harmes has got games on past years form

2 hours ago, layzie said:

There's no doubt he plays his best in the middle and he is clearly our best gut running mid when on song but why do the coaches need to take sole blame for this? I'm sorry but it's getting a bit trite having all these apparent AFL footballers who are playing the game when positions are most fluid who can only play in one position and can't even do a job in another. 

Yes I'd love to see him back in the middle and would like nothing more than to see it but this lack of flexibility with our players has become extremely frustrating. 

Spot on. Same with Brayshaw. If they are good footballers they should be able to play good football in any position. It's weird how some of our players just look deplorable when asked to play a role other than their preferred. Could be more an attitude thing than anything else.

Having said that, we may also need to accept that some of our guys just aren't that good. The ability to perform at a consistent level is a huge part of how a player should be measured, and Harmes along with all but Oliver and maybe Gawn fail that test badly.

Rivers to replace him for the love of god

Edited August 22, 20204 yr by WERRIDEE

Is Harmes actually any good?

Trade bait. 

13 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Yet another bizzaro Goody experiment that shows no signs of ending Dazzle.  What a complete and utter fail.

Rivers in for Harmes.  Harmes takes over from Sparrow in the middle, pushing forward at times.

Simples.

Absolutely. Goodloss has no idea. Kept Harmes at half back but he was lost. 
We needed to TAG THE BONT or TAG MACRAE. No let them run free. Ffs. 
Harmes needed to go to either. He can tag and get into the contest. 

Harmes back on ball. Get petracca or Oliver forward for spells. Gary Lyon and others have picked it. Opposition worry with petracca forward.

On 8/9/2020 at 7:23 PM, DemonOX said:

Yep Harmes is certainly being wasted. 
 

Brayshaw moves back into the midfield and bazinga he hits form. 
 

Move Harmes back to tagger role and I bet he would come into some form. 
 

Doesn’t seem all that hard to figure out but it seems it might be for some. 

Surely Goodwin doesn’t even recognise such a role exists.  Didn’t even think of tagging Bont who towelled us up.  

4 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Surely Goodwin doesn’t even recognise such a role exists.  Didn’t even think of tagging Bont who towelled us up.  

Yep seems to be stubborn and thinks one day it will click. 
 

When or if that day comes I think Goodwin will be long gone. 

The form of James like TM, is a mystery and kills us, but so  does our inconsistency. Some of our more senior players turn up every third or fourth week. ( Brayshaw, Melksham, Salem). 

These blokes should be ‘hard as flint’ ,turn up every week, professionals by now, like May is turning out to be.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

The form of James like TM, is a mystery and kills us, but so  does our inconsistency. Some of our more senior players turn up every third or fourth week. ( Brayshaw, Melksham, Salem). 

These blokes should be ‘hard as flint’ ,turn up every week, professionals by now, like May is turning out to be.

 

 

 

There's an old saying Dockett which i'm sure you've heard plenty of times....

"When the going gets tough.....

5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Is Harmes actually any good?

Trade bait. 

Isn't he contracted for another 3-4 years?

Hard to offload, assuming we want to, with that sort of contract hanging over his head, surely?

19 hours ago, My name is legion said:

Harmes has been great this year. This Demonland forum is full of fools.

I reckon the majority of Demonland just want more out of Harmes and believe he could offer the team more up the ground.

1 hour ago, A F said:

I reckon the majority of Demonland just want more out of Harmes and believe he could offer the team more up the ground.

Who does he replace?

10 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Who does he replace?

Well, probably Sparrow and play Rivers off half back. He can even have some of Sparrow's midfield minutes.

Edited August 23, 20204 yr by A F

7 minutes ago, A F said:

Well, probably Sparrow and play Rivers off half back. He can even have some of Sparrow's midfield minutes.

Fair call.

While we need depth you're also asking an 18 yo whos had 0 pre seasons to hold down a position and or stop an opponent.

It's a tough call because we need depth but have depth where we dont need it.

Whats even worse is there is no versatility in the players we have. 

For example you cant throw Viney or Brayshaw in a forward pocket... we just dont have the quality in depth.

Would love some more run and ground ball winners. A half decent rebounding defender would be nice as well.

Edited August 23, 20204 yr by Unleash Hell