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2 hours ago, old dee said:

You would think that Hogan was still down there. Since his loss we have no play who can take a contested mark. We are very one dimensional, every side knows we will just bomb it in and set up for it. 

On reflection, our whole quarter fade outs also cost us for a number of seasons and that was on display in round 1 as well.

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    9 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Increasing question marks over these players. If they cannot deliver against Carlton I think we have our answer.

    My concern is that Goodwin will not have the players up mentally for this game. To say we need to win this one is an understatement.

    He doesn't do mental. He's the opposite. His monotone voice puts them to sleep

    Rd 23 v Collingwood 2017

    Rd 1 2020

    I've lost count of the 'line in the sand' games we've butchered. Really butchered

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    5 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    He doesn't do mental. He's the opposite. His monotone voice puts them to sleep

    Rd 23 v Collingwood 2017

    Rd 1 2020

    I've lost count of the 'line in the sand' games we've butchered. Really butchered

    They sure did look flat in the first quarter against Geelong of the elimination final too. 

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    9 hours ago, BigMacjnr said:

    In: Weid, Vanders, Smith, Bennell, Jones, Salem. 

    Out: Brown, Spargo, Hibberd, ANB, Lockhart and Bedford. 

    I have put the players in he order of who is replacing who, I think all the ins are upgrades on who they are replacing. Smith for Hibberd is a difficult one but my 'eye test' says that Hibberd has had a substantial decline in disposal efficiency which leads to bad turnovers and some of the poor inside 50s (and then bad goals against for being out of position). Smith provides better defensive cover and provides overlap without the turnovers. ANB has better pressure than Bennell but Bennell might touch the ball 6 times for 3 goals and 3 score assists, which in my view will have more impact on winning the game. Really wanted to get Jackson and Hannan (if he were 100%) in, probably the unlucky ones. 

    There is a case that we could make 27% upgrade to our round 1 team, which gives us a great chance to get back into the Finals conversation. Forward 50s will improve with better decision makers with higher disposal efficiency on the field. 

    I actually like this a lot!! Care to put into positions??

    2 hours ago, CHF said:

    Serious Answer: Yes. I will be watching when we play Saturday week. Really looking forward to the game.

    I would also be interested in watching the curtain raiser if it was on in the same way I would watch the Casey games. Like to see how they are developing.

    Your enthusiasm amazes me. I go to some Casey games every year. But 2020 is a compromised season that will be forever marked with an Astrix . Not a real season just a trumped up one to help to keeping finances flowing. That assumes it makes it to a finals season. IMO this is a training schedule for 2021. 

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    56 minutes ago, old dee said:

    Your enthusiasm amazes me. I go to some Casey games every year. But 2020 is a compromised season that will be forever marked with an Astrix . Not a real season just a trumped up one to help to keeping finances flowing. That assumes it makes it to a finals season. IMO this is a training schedule for 2021. 

    Guess you better not watch then.

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    3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    This was raised but just in the context of scratch matches.

    Do you have a recent source.

    Cannot see how they would allow them to be played as curtain raisers given ground conditions. Also hard to see how full teams could be fielded given the usual run of injuries.

    From the AFL website.

    https://www.afl.com.au/news/441279/curtain-raisers-back-afl-gives-clubs-the-green-light-to-organise-scratch-matches

     

    QUOTE:

    "Teams will have the option to hold these games as curtain-raisers or curtain-closers to senior fixtures, and they must be played at AFL-approved venues."

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    1 hour ago, old dee said:

    Your enthusiasm amazes me. I go to some Casey games every year. But 2020 is a compromised season that will be forever marked with an Astrix . Not a real season just a trumped up one to help to keeping finances flowing. That assumes it makes it to a finals season. IMO this is a training schedule for 2021. 

    Old Dee, I live over in Europe and miss going to the live matches. I am always watching the games live each and every time the Dees play.

    I would take a win in any match. this season is compromised but I am sure that none of the players will be holding back. If we get to a finals series and a resolved season, I hope that the Dees are at the top, playing in the final and win the bloody thing.

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      I picked my 22 from the Melbourne website

    B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

    HB: HIBBERD, O.MCDONALD, SALEM

    C : LANGDON, PETRACCA, TOMLINSON

    HF: JONES, T.MCDONALD, PICKETT

    F: FRITSCH, WEIDEMAN, MELKSHAM

    FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, VINEY

    IC: HARMES, BRAYSHAW, BENNELL, PETTY

     

    Vandenberg has been ruled out because of his foot.

    Hibberd won't be dropped yet but I don't think he'll last the season either.

    Bennell hasn't been ruled out so I'm backing him in.

    Petty was impressive last year I want him in the side.

    Lockhart and Hannan unlucky to miss out we have nothing after that though. I think we only go 25 deep with Jackson being the unknown. 

    4 hours ago, Pates said:

    They sure did look flat in the first quarter against Geelong of the elimination final too. 

    Wow you are right..... We actually played really well that day

    And it was only 25 Games ago.

    Goodwin is a fraud.

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    I'm very excited about Rivers, and believe the selection panel (not just Goodwin) will select Pig for this round for another opportunity, and look to blood Rivers when injury or form drops off. BUT I could be wrong.

    Where does this all leave Marty Hore... I really like him.. but perhaps I'm pumping up a good honest toiler?

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    3 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

    I'm very excited about Rivers, and believe the selection panel (not just Goodwin) will select Pig for this round for another opportunity, and look to blood Rivers when injury or form drops off. BUT I could be wrong.

    Where does this all leave Marty Hore... I really like him.. but perhaps I'm pumping up a good honest toiler?

    i think everyone likes marty hore cos he's a good honest toiler

    the fact remains that he was in and out of our side last year when we finished 17th

    unfortunately - a bit like jayden hunt - if he's in our best 22 we're really not a very good side 

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    16 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

    i think everyone likes marty hore cos he's a good honest toiler

    the fact remains that he was in and out of our side last year when we finished 17th

    unfortunately - a bit like jayden hunt - if he's in our best 22 we're really not a very good side 

    Yeah, thanks for that -  I lost touch with how he went last year TBH. 

    On 5/30/2020 at 8:52 PM, President Dee Trump said:

    Most of the players mentioned in this post are barely VFL standard except for Harmes, Lever and Clarry.

     

    Melksham and Lockhart are not VFL standard.

    And  the name you've given yourself is wretched.


    10 hours ago, ding said:

    Wow you are right..... We actually played really well that day

    And it was only 25 Games ago.

    Goodwin is a fraud.

    And we'll probably waste another 25 games to find that out before giving him the boot and writing off 2021.

    Anyone pencilling in Carlton, StK and Essendon as wins in the next month is basing it on nothing other than footy played 21 months ago!

     

    On the topic of his pep talks. I get the impression he comes across scripted and wooden, has a bit of Bill Shorten about him. You can just tell that head coaching is not going to work out when only sustained success warrants not hiring better coaches out there waiting for a gig.

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    12 hours ago, dworship said:

    Guess you better not watch then.

    I will proberly see half if I am lucky dworship as I guess that is all we will get on free to air.

    I actually like going to matches when I cannot do that my interest drops considerably.

    Perhaps I am just old and tired of constant losses, at least in mid June this year we are still in the hunt for a finals berth.

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    5 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

    And we'll probably waste another 25 games to find that out before giving him the boot and writing off 2021. Anyone pencilling in Carlton, StK and Essendon as wins in the next month is basing it on nothing other than footy played 21 months ago!

    It would be interesting to know what percentage of the supporter base has faith in the coach at this stage. The closest thing to praise he seems to receive these days is a respectful changing of topic. 


    1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    I'd be shocked disgusted if Spargo ever plays again, barring us having a huge injury list.

    Can get a handpass out pretty quick but has zero other weapons.

    An easy decision to delist when the list size is reduced.

    9 minutes ago, ding said:

    Can get a handpass out pretty quick but has zero other weapons.

    An easy decision to delist when the list size is reduced.

    For reasons that elude me ding the FD seem to love him they play him week in week out when he produces very little. Dont be suprised if he gets a gig against Carlton.

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    15 hours ago, rjay said:

    Rivers is really pushing his name up for selection with his training form.

    Hibberd and a few others will be on notice.

    Personally on form and potential I would make the change now but I don't think Goody will do it.

    I'd love to see Rivers get a go and we could absolutely do without Hibberd's desperate long bombs to no one, I'd just be worried that putting a young kid in to the backline puts more defensive pressure on the likes of Lever and Salem and might shift Harmes deeper in to a more defensive role. After last year the coaches have to prioritise a working defensive structure.

    If Rivers is really excelling with his defensive work as well as with the ball then get him in.

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    17 hours ago, rjay said:

    Rivers is really pushing his name up for selection with his training form.

    Hibberd and a few others will be on notice.

    Personally on form and potential I would make the change now but I don't think Goody will do it.

    how about we see how he goes in a match first before he replaces a proven player who was all australian in recent years.

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