Training Ground?

[Demonsone 2,029]

On 5/4/2023 at 11:47 PM, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Take a look at what Collingwood has, big advantage

 

1 flag since 2000 & having these facilities which does not guarantee success, but certainly does help, was it Gudnik who rejected the opportunity to turn this into our training centre? If so very sad ..  but that’s what happens when your in survival mode!

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

4 hours ago, Demonsone said:

1 flag since 2000 & having these facilities which does not guarantee success, but certainly does help, was it Gudnik who rejected the opportunity to turn this into our training centre? If so very sad ..  but that’s what happens when your in survival mode!

Nothing is guaranteed, but it puts you in a far better position for success. 

And they continue to compete with short turn-arounds from list resets. 

The facility debate is a ridiculous one. The better your facilities, the better your chances of success at the top level. The list of reasons is obvious. 

[layzie 33,724]

Sounds like the train has sailed. 

[DeeMee 867]

Really don’t think it will ever happen to be honest.

Annoying that we voted for a new team in Tassie that is contingent on them having their own new undercover stadium with, no doubt, state of the art office and training facilities. Something to ponder whilst driving to wet and windy Casey.

Edited May 25, 2023 by DeeMee

[dice 692]

18 hours ago, Demonsone said:

1 flag since 2000 & having these facilities which does not guarantee success, but certainly does help, was it Gudnik who rejected the opportunity to turn this into our training centre? If so very sad ..  but that’s what happens when your in survival mode!

No, it wasn't Gudnik or Gutnick. He was ousted as Club President in 2001 and up until then Olympic Park was in the hands of Athletics Victoria/Australia until Brumby, McGuire and Fildes did secret deals to obtain it for Collingwood in 2008.

Ignoring his business failings, Gutnick deserves a life membership for helping Melbourne survive during the wretched merger period and pumping millions of dollars of his own money (or someone else's!) into the Club.

Edited May 26, 2023 by dice

[daisycutter 29,596]

6 minutes ago, dice said:

No, it wasn't Gudnik or Gutnick. He was ousted in 2001 and up until then Olympic Park was in the hands of Athletics Victoria/Australia until Brumby, McGuire and Fildes did secret deals to obtain it for Collingwood in 2008.

Ignoring his business failings, Gutnick deserves a life membership for helping Melbourne survive during the wretched merger period and pumping millions of dollars of his own money (or someone else's!) into the Club.

correct. people get this wrong repeatedly

we were never offered olympic park

what was on offer was the glasshouse and gosch's paddock

[Dr. Gonzo 24,121]

19 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

One problem is that all the apartment development profit goes to Racing Victoria.

We'll need a first class community benefit story to get State/Federal money. Most of those have already been played by the other clubs but there may be one or two left

I'd love to see us incorporate something with the Reach Foundation - it wouldn't just be tokenistic either considering Jim Stynes' history. Have it called the Jim Stynes Centre for Underprivileged Youth or something like that (but with a better name).

[daisycutter 29,596]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'd love to see us incorporate something with the Reach Foundation - it wouldn't just be tokenistic either considering Jim Stynes' history. Have it called the Jim Stynes Centre for Underprivileged Youth or something like that (but with a better name).

good luck now trying to get gov money for a complete expensive new development

time for a plan b?

Edited May 26, 2023 by daisycutter

[old dee 23,682]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

good luck now trying to get gov money for a complete expensive new development

time for a plan b?

Spot on DC. after the state Budget you can forget about getting money. Casey looks better every day.

[daisycutter 29,596]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Spot on DC. after the state Budget you can forget about getting money. Casey looks better every day.

yes, od. sadly i feel obliged to switch to what you have been saying for a long time

i had previously held a lot of optimism, and thought the glass was at least half full

now .......?

[Redleg 40,775]

33 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yes, od. sadly i feel obliged to switch to what you have been saying for a long time

i had previously held a lot of optimism, and thought the glass was at least half full

now .......?

I think Dan has just smashed the glass.

[beelzebub 23,311]

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

I think Dan has just smashed the glass.

Dan doesn't like glass....far too much transparency. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I think Dan has just smashed the glass.

I would like to wager Dan (or whoever's in power at the time) will miraculously still manage to find a bit of spare change for their favourite big Vic clubs at some point from here when asked though Mr Leg.

[Supreme_Demon 3,715]

On 5/4/2023 at 11:47 PM, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Take a look at what Collingwood has, big advantage

 

I can be envious of Collingwood for their training facilities. But not most of their horrible and obnoxious supporters! 🤮

[daisycutter 29,596]

25 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I would like to wager Dan (or whoever's in power at the time) will miraculously still manage to find a bit of spare change for their favourite big Vic clubs at some point from here when asked though Mr Leg.

will be interesting to see how hawthorn fare in the money grant issue, especially given their current on-the-nose situation 

[george_on_the_outer 7,546]

On 4/11/2023 at 2:39 AM, george_on_the_outer said:

 

Confirmed:

https://www.zerohanger.com/hawthorn-receive-state-funding-boost-for-new-training-facilities-135274/

And they have plenty in the bank, since they have sold some of their pokies venues, and are in the process of selling more.

Unlike us, they have started fundraising with their members, and will have this facility operating by 2024!!.

Hawthorn are doing just fine……

[beelzebub 23,311]

4 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Hawthorn are doing just fine……

Theyre going to a tip.. Fine by me.

Poos  Wees  ..... Tip

Match made in .....somewhere... 

 

[chookrat 4,247]

With Hawthorn receiving $20m in federal, $15m in state and $5m in local government funding I'm assuming we could expect similar, at least state and federal level, potentially minus what we received for Casey redevlopment and the Gotch's paddock resurfacing. Hopefully an announcement not too far away, which I figure will be in the MCG precinct given there is nothing in the Caulfield Racecourse development.

With the Commonwealth Games coming up in 2026 is there potential to tie in any redevelopment with the Games. I read somewhere that they are using regional facilities but not clear if there are plans to use the MCG precinct.

[beelzebub 23,311]

6 minutes ago, chookrat said:

With Hawthorn receiving $20m in federal, $15m in state and $5m in local government funding I'm assuming we could expect similar, at least state and federal level, potentially minus what we received for Casey redevlopment and the Gotch's paddock resurfacing. Hopefully an announcement not too far away, which I figure will be in the MCG precinct given there is nothing in the Caulfield Racecourse development.

With the Commonwealth Games coming up in 2026 is there potential to tie in any redevelopment with the Games. I read somewhere that they are using regional facilities but not clear if there are plans to use the MCG precinct.

Much simply comes down to the B.OD.

Clubs with enterprising folk think of ideas... follow up and get things happening. 

You have to be a bit left fileld...maybe a bit politically opportunistic ( maybe have family in that game ) ...  but mainly you have to be on the front foot...

Or you can be Melbourne 

[monoccular 17,408]

On 4/11/2023 at 4:05 PM, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Hawthorn has been willing to leave their ‘traditional’ heartland.  Twice.
I have no love for the Hawks, but they repeatedly make the right decisions for the long term.

We stubbornly want to magically create land in an area that won’t sacrifice an inch of public parklands or remove a single tree.

 

 

Hawks are mobile - sent them to Tassie

On 4/11/2023 at 5:03 PM, Demons1858 said:

I actually did a study of their membership base while a maths student at Swinburne uni (commissioned by the hawks) and they had a concentration of supporters in areas near Waverley park. lt wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for Dingley also. But l take your point about not being overly obsessed about the location

1858 - I suspect more than a few Hawks fans bought at Waverley Park for just that reason - and are probably feeling very [censored] off that they are  moving again.  

On 4/12/2023 at 1:19 PM, Deeko2 said:

I haven't been to Gosch's for a training session for a few years now but last time I was there I remember there being a radiologist/imaging business there.  Surely they'd be very popular for the sporting codes training and being based there.

Are there other medical / useful businesses in the proximity that provide useful synergies around remaining there? 

I don't particularly care where our training base is located but I would have thought sharing some facilities with soccer/rugby wouldn't be that bad and would ensure the local facility used/shared would always be absolute top class instead of going out on your own in a new greenfield site.

“… Are there other medical / useful businesses in the proximity that provide useful synergies around remaining there? ..”

I misread the word synergies as syringes and immediately thought of The Hangar

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I would like to wager Dan (or whoever's in power at the time) will miraculously still manage to find a bit of spare change for their favourite big Vic clubs at some point from here when asked though Mr Leg.

Pity we didn’t put the word on Alan Stockdale when he held the state pursestrings.  

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

will be interesting to see how hawthorn fare in the money grant issue, especially given their current on-the-nose situation 

Friends in high places always helps DC

We need to remember that the likes of the Cats, Pies, Hawks and Bombers have had a couple of successful eras over the decades.

Success breeds more followers.  Some of those in high / influential positions and the networks around them & down the line as many jump on the band wagon.  Even into and around those who are influential at AFL level & back the other way into the political sphere.

We had 5 decades in the wilderness. 

I'll let you join the dots as to who is likely to benefit the most under both scenarios.

We are coming from a long way behind in this regard.

[Hawk the Demon 955]

Interseting article in the AFR today. "Mystery over borrowed $75b spending fund"

Large amounts listed in the Victorian Budget under "Decisions made but not yet allocated"

I wonder if any is heading the way of Caulfield?

We can only hope.....

[drysdale demon 4,823]

7 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Interseting article in the AFR today. "Mystery over borrowed $75b spending fund"

Large amounts listed in the Victorian Budget under "Decisions made but not yet allocated"

I wonder if any is heading the way of Caulfield?

We can only hope.....

Or amongst personal coffers

[chookrat 4,247]

9 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Interseting article in the AFR today. "Mystery over borrowed $75b spending fund"

Large amounts listed in the Victorian Budget under "Decisions made but not yet allocated"

I wonder if any is heading the way of Caulfield?

We can only hope.....

I'd expect Caulfield or the MCG Precinct. I would be very surprised if there wasn't an announcement within the next 6 - 12 months for one of these locations. While our club is subject to the State Government led process, it is well recognised that we have the worst facilities in the league and have received the least amount of Government funding in the league over the past 20+ years, and we are participating in the process in good faith that there will be an outcome at either location.

[kev martin 9,549]

10 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Interseting article in the AFR today. "Mystery over borrowed $75b spending fund"

Large amounts listed in the Victorian Budget under "Decisions made but not yet allocated"

I wonder if any is heading the way of Caulfield?

We can only hope.....

https://concreteplayground.com/melbourne/travel-leisure/caulfield-racecourse-reserve-looks-set-to-be-revitalised-as-a-public-park-and-recreation-space

The article suggest that Caulfield racecourse has $500 million allocated.

"Back in 2018, the Victorian Government committed $1 million towards developing the strategy and managing the reserve, which is one of the largest open public spaces south of the CBD. The Melbourne Racing Club is putting $285 million towards the precinct's racecourse-related improvements."

I assume the other $215 million is Government. 

No mention of MFC.

Edited May 27, 2023 by kev martin