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13 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

and the minute it becomes available for the filth, watch all blocking of closing it off and building infrastructure around it suddenly disappear

the issue with this sort of story is that it doesn't tell us anything that wasn't already known - there was always going to be a challenge about getting to the proposed $100m in terms of funding it

if, in mid-2025, it's officially 'over' as a dream of a home base at caulfield, i am firmly of the belief that we need to seriously consider abandoning a precinct in the inner city as there's no real options available and go whole-hog out at casey

Sadly I agree re the magical openings that would appear if either the pies or tiges took Goschs over. If we cant get caulfield ( Im still hoping) couldnt we try some of the approaches they might make? 

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14 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

and the minute it becomes available for the filth, watch all blocking of closing it off and building infrastructure around it suddenly disappear

the issue with this sort of story is that it doesn't tell us anything that wasn't already known - there was always going to be a challenge about getting to the proposed $100m in terms of funding it

if, in mid-2025, it's officially 'over' as a dream of a home base at caulfield, i am firmly of the belief that we need to seriously consider abandoning a precinct in the inner city as there's no real options available and go whole-hog out at casey

Personally that’s about the most positive article I’ve read about the plan. I’m a believer that if it’s agreed that the project can go ahead then the money will come. 

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1 hour ago, demosaw said:

Good to read that the Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust is supportive of our proposal and that as a tenant the Melbourne Racing Club's view on the matter doesn't carry alot of weight.

Re funding, based on below it looks like most clubs have received in the order of $30 - 50m in State and Federal Government funding for facilities in the past 20 years. Given we had little funding in the 20 years preceding this it would be reasonable to assume that we would receive at the upper end of this minus the funding we received to develop Casey, so probably should expect in the order of $40m between State and Federal Government and a top up from Glen Eira Council. This leaves ~$30m from Members and Benefactors.

I don't buy onto the argument that State and Federal Government don't have the money.  Outside of Wartime or a Great Depression there is always funding available for this sort of project.

https://australiansportreflections.com/2024/02/28/update-on-federal-and-state-governments-funding-of-afl-and-nrl-high-performance-training-centres/?amp=1

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Personally, I believe the Caulfield home base being approved and put in place is the most important thing we can do to keep up with the bigger clubs.

I would hazard a guess that 40% of Victorian AFL players would live in councils like Bayside, Glen Eira, Stonnington & Monash. This would mean our home base/training facilities will be the closest for the majority of these areas. I imagine the number will only increase given the large salary cap increases, so the average AFL wage will be much higher than 10-15 years ago.

If we want to lure players from interstate or other Vic clubs this is going to be a huge factor in their decision making.

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50 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

the issue with this sort of story is that it doesn't tell us anything that wasn't already known - there was always going to be a challenge about getting to the proposed $100m in terms of funding it

Some people are hard to please. It wasn’t written for us, but to inform the public who aren’t on demonland every day.  At least the reporter isn’t making 💩up…

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When will we learn.

If you want funding you have to push the community involvement angle.

If we have one we're not great at publicising it

As a separate note MRC want a return on the land so who funds the rent on the admin centre, gym, oval etc. It won't be cheap

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Personally that’s about the most positive article I’ve read about the plan. I’m a believer that if it’s agreed that the project can go ahead then the money will come. 

70k members chip in 200 each that's 14m + the coterie donations hopefully 5m the club has 10m thats nearly 30 the afl matches our 30 and the state and federal stump up the remaining 40m... done

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12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

When will we learn.

If you want funding you have to push the community involvement angle.

If we have one we're not great at publicising it

As a separate note MRC want a return on the land so who funds the rent on the admin centre, gym, oval etc. It won't be cheap

If the AFL umpires end up being housed at Caulfield, I expect the AFL would stump up a fair amount for that alone.

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1 hour ago, chookrat said:

Good to read that the Caulfield Racecourse Reserve Trust is supportive of our proposal and that as a tenant the Melbourne Racing Club's view on the matter doesn't carry alot of weight.

Re funding, based on below it looks like most clubs have received in the order of $30 - 50m in State and Federal Government funding for facilities in the past 20 years. Given we had little funding in the 20 years preceding this it would be reasonable to assume that we would receive at the upper end of this minus the funding we received to develop Casey, so probably should expect in the order of $40m between State and Federal Government and a top up from Glen Eira Council. This leaves ~$30m from Members and Benefactors.

I don't buy onto the argument that State and Federal Government don't have the money.  Outside of Wartime or a Great Depression there is always funding available for this sort of project.

https://australiansportreflections.com/2024/02/28/update-on-federal-and-state-governments-funding-of-afl-and-nrl-high-performance-training-centres/?amp=1

I'm not sure it needs to be deducted. The Casey development belongs to Casey, not us and that was a big part of the whole upgrade  - for community sporting facilities. For comparison, Deakin Uni received $8.6m to redevelop their oval (to exact MCG specs) and sporting facility to house the cats over summer. That's not counted in their endless handouts for taxpayer park facilities.

We've really only received a few mil for the Gosch's oval upgrade.

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24 minutes ago, Rednblueriseing said:

70k members chip in 200 each that's 14m + the coterie donations hopefully 5m the club has 10m thats nearly 30 the afl matches our 30 and the state and federal stump up the remaining 40m... done

It might be good to get someone onto the Board who has a significant fund-raising background. I assume it will be on the list of those Board Credentials soon to be published?

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On 16/10/2024 at 09:08, whatwhat say what said:

he was born in 1948?

Re-Born in 1948 But dating back to the days of the Pharaoh’s and pre- Dating the Romans by quite some time.👍😁

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56 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

It might be good to get someone onto the Board who has a significant fund-raising background. I assume it will be on the list of those Board Credentials soon to be published?

Did you have someone in mind that has had significant Fund Raising experience HTD?

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3 hours ago, demosaw said:

"the funding model is unclear" because it hasn't been released by the club. We have 30mil in the bank, and they think it will cost 100mil, so therefore there is a 70 mil shortage. By the time the project starts there will be possibly state, federal, AFL, sponsor and fundraising money, and dare I say the 70mil will be covered. such a nothing story and continues the negative narrative surrounding the club atm

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1 hour ago, Rednblueriseing said:

70k members chip in 200 each that's 14m + the coterie donations hopefully 5m the club has 10m thats nearly 30 the afl matches our 30 and the state and federal stump up the remaining 40m... done

First...we don't have 70K members.  There are only about 40K adult individual members.  Take away duplicate memberships, children  etc.

Second...All those people don't have a spare $200 available, especially today.

Third...the Board has said they will not spend the proceeds from Bentleigh Club, Leighoak on a base.   ( why for heavens sake?)

The MCC owes us heaps and should contribute after 160+ years of bleeding the football public, mainly MFC.

The big opportunity was fluffed by the Board post the premiership.  No fundraising toward a future base, when supporters were throwing money at the club with merchandise sales. 

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2 hours ago, chookrat said:

Re funding, based on below it looks like most clubs have received in the order of $30 - 50m in State and Federal Government funding for facilities in the past 20 years.

Geelong being the exception

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2 hours ago, biggestred said:

"The Caulfield proposal includes two football ovals, two rectangular ovals and walking tracks."

whats a rectangular oval??

I've been fortunate enough to see the design of the two proposed ovals.

Here it is.

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I don’t see this as an issue… no one builds a facility like this with 100% cash. The club will have $30m from cash reserves and members donations. Assume they will be able to raise another $25m from governments, the AFL, the Melbourne Cricket Club and private investors and benefactors. It will leave a $45m shortfall which would be borrowed and paid down over decades. The club generates $60m in revenue. Paying the debt off at $3m annually isn’t a concern.

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3 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

The MCC owes us heaps and should contribute after 160+ years of bleeding the football public, mainly MFC.

George, this is what my father said 45 years ago.  He hated the MCC.

In terms of fund raising, tbh, I think you need a concrete proposal that has a very high chance of actually going ahead before you ask for donations.

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4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As a separate note MRC want a return on the land so who funds the rent on the admin centre, gym, oval etc. It won't be cheap

Heh D_J can you elaborate on this please.  The MRC is a tenant with a lease from the Race Course Trust.  And the rent isnt very high.  I dont understand how the MRC get a return other than renting out their facilitiess on non racing days.

The MFC will also be a tenant with a lease from the RCT.

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6 hours ago, Rednblueriseing said:

70k members chip in 200 each that's 14m + the coterie donations hopefully 5m the club has 10m thats nearly 30 the afl matches our 30 and the state and federal stump up the remaining 40m... done

I'd be more than willing to chip in an extra $500 o top of my membership if it guaranteed us getting our homebase built. Reckon there'd be a fair few more too willing to put money in.

There was lots of talk after we won the flag of very well off supporters ringing up the club wanting to help fund getting a home base. Im sure most if not all would be willing to put money up, after all, a home is ultimately more important for us than a premiership now.

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