On 26/01/2020 at 08:02, Macca said:

Yeah I did ... it's called a balanced view

You might want to try it sometime (if you're capable)

Again with the personal stuff. Why? If you have a personal problem with me (someone on the internet you've never met) you're welcome to message me to work it out, but this forum is for talking footy, and that's what I'm here for.

  On 26/01/2020 at 07:52, Lord Nev said:

The coach who oversaw us chasing any good quality outside player/finisher available in the trade/draft period because he's clearly recognized he's got the balance wrong?

 

So, who were all these outside player/finishers we were chasing.

Since Goodwin has been in charge we've gone after Lever & May...and landed them.

This year we went after Langdon and landed him.

We had a dip at Elliot and missed, we picked up Tomlinson.

None of these are outside player/finisher types.

Langdon & Tomlinson give us some outside run no doubt but they are both, particularly Langdon very hard contested players as well.

Then if we look at this years draft all 3 are hard at it competitive players....

The coach doesn't like purely outside players, I'm with him there.

  On 26/01/2020 at 08:14, rjay said:

So, who were all these outside player/finishers we were chasing.

Since Goodwin has been in charge we've gone after Lever & May...and landed them.

This year we went after Langdon and landed him.

We had a dip at Elliot and missed, we picked up Tomlinson.

None of these are outside player/finisher types.

Langdon & Tomlinson give us some outside run no doubt but they are both, particularly Langdon very hard contested players as well.

Then if we look at this years draft all 3 are hard at it competitive players....

The coach doesn't like purely outside players, I'm with him there.

Nowhere did I say anything about non-competitive players.

Nowhere did I say the coach likes "purely outside players". In fact, I said the complete opposite and that was the reason the balance was being addressed now.

Please try to be accurate when rephrasing what I've said. (Unless of course you were doing it on purpose to suit your argument).

Langdon and Tomlinson have been penciled in for the wings. Pretty clearly that's an outside role.

Pickett (finisher), Jackson (finisher) and Rivers (skill) were added.

Elliot was chased. Martin was chased. Calls were made re: Papley. Weightman was very much in the mix. We didn't take Green.

I find it staggering anyone can look at that big picture and not think we were chasing more skill, finishing and outside players.

  On 26/01/2020 at 02:30, jnrmac said:

Garlett was allergic to physical contact.

Kossie seeks it out.

That is complete rubbish, you are  just ignoring other posts in this thread, which is normal for  you, for his size Jeffy had no qualms about tackling or contact, that's how he got the final shoulder injury, by putting his body on the line

1 bump in a highlight reel, against junior opposition, I have watched Kossie at training, he has some exciting traits, when he gets fitter, he will be good to watch but  he is  also not getting near to bringing down the bigger more mature bodies

  On 26/01/2020 at 08:45, Satyriconhome said:

That is complete rubbish, you are  just ignoring other posts in this thread, which is normal for  you, for his size Jeffy had no qualms about tackling or contact, that's how he got the final shoulder injury, by putting his body on the line

1 bump in a highlight reel, against junior opposition, I have watched Kossie at training, he has some exciting traits, when he gets fitter, he will be good to watch but  he is  also not getting near to bringing down the bigger more mature bodies

Disagree,

AVB, Trac and Max excepted

Edited January 26, 20205 yr by dworship
Clarity

  On 26/01/2020 at 07:20, Lord Nev said:

That's not what was being said at all. Worth taking the time to understand the point if you're going to have a crack I reckon.

No, I started it and that's exactly what it's about.

  On 26/01/2020 at 09:03, Fifty-5 said:

No, I started it and that's exactly what it's about.

You can speak for your own comments, but many others were in different contexts.

Way back on page 1, this used to be an interesting thread about present players doing their training. Pity that another otherwise excellent training thread has been derailed.

  On 26/01/2020 at 09:21, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Way back on page 1, this used to be an interesting thread about present players doing their training. Pity that another otherwise excellent training thread has been derailed.

Actually, I was a bit humbled by the response  and thanks everyone for the kind words. I must admit, on occasion, to participating in the derailment of a thread and cannot help myself.

On "Ology" I have a little permanent quote that goes " Never argue with fools, they will beat you with their experience".

I do need to take my own advice.

  On 26/01/2020 at 08:09, FireInTheBelly said:

But clubs need both types of players don't they?

I realise it's not as simple as that, even 'outside' players need to go when it's their turn. But are we criticising an outside type player, in a team all but void of them, for not taking on someone else's role, or cleaning up after someone that failed?

Absolutely. I am not criticising Jeff. That’s the way he played. 
but it’s also the reason he struggled to play Senior Footy last year

The Coach wanted more. 

  On 26/01/2020 at 09:21, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Way back on page 1, this used to be an interesting thread about present players doing their training. Pity that another otherwise excellent training thread has been derailed.

A Friday morning training thread derailed by Sunday evening with general list related discussion?  It's all just footy talk, i don't see the big deal or pity.

Edited January 26, 20205 yr by John Demonic

  On 24/01/2020 at 12:30, dworship said:

Near the end of the session I got Tye Hourigan’s family to come inside the fence near the entry gates and while we were chatting a fella in his 20’s came in with his dog on a lead and asked if it was ok if he came in to have a look. He was wearing Richmond shorts so I told him very sternly, “It’s a closed session and you will have to leave” He was very apologetic and left. Made the day even more worthwhile.

Lol.  Love your work worship.

Similar to your comments elsewhere, I do wounder if and how anyone could get much understanding of game plans from watching training drills and even circle work or match sims.  I guess the well trained eye might make some pickups about these things, but then, I guess that Richmond aren't exactly going to go changing their set-up based on what they just saw a 17th placed Melbourne's training.  I'm guessing the valuable information is all the verbal instructions delivered by the coaches at the huddles on what we are trying to achieve which can't be spied from the outer.  As @Earl Hood so poignantly noted, it's only if we can actually translate what we do on the track to matchday that anyone will take serious notice and there are no secret games, so the tactical game plan stuff is well on display for all to see then anyway.

I'm not totally dismissive that tactical initiatives at this point in the season can't / don't make a difference but agree with you that it's beyond most casual observers to pickup.

Edited January 26, 20205 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 26/01/2020 at 05:53, DeeSpencer said:

Jeepers a training report thread turning in to a defence of Jeff Garlett's hardness. 

What's next?

- 21 reasons why Simon Godfrey was actually a good kick
- Brock McLean wasn't slow, just poorly used.
- Mark Neeld - underrated.
- 7 reasons why you should try the Bat soup in Wuhan

1.  The presentation is better than steamed two headed Yangtze river fish platter.

2.  You can get it in a two for one deal adventure tourism package with a 4 week stay in an isolation ward of developing world hospital thrown in on the side.

...

  On 26/01/2020 at 06:59, Demons11 said:

What’s happening with Melksham? Is he injured? 

wedding?

  On 27/01/2020 at 10:04, jnrmac said:

wedding?

I think I read before the wedding, that he also wasn’t on the track 

  On 27/01/2020 at 10:32, Demons11 said:

I think I read before the wedding, that he also wasn’t on the track 

Convenient wedding.

Out of the injuries we have, Melksham is somewhat a worry for me.  I'm hoping that it's just a case of playing it safe and the Milkshake man plays another great season for us, but being the gun, pivotal kind of player that he is, it does worry me that he isn't out there.  He may not quite be on the Maxy kind of level of influence, but I think it's just as important that we have Melksham out on the park as Steven May. 

I actually think that Melksham is almost the  general of the forward line as much as we are looking for May to be the general of the backline.

  On 27/01/2020 at 12:55, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Convenient wedding.

Out of the injuries we have, Melksham is somewhat a worry for me.  I'm hoping that it's just a case of playing it safe and the Milkshake man plays another great season for us, but being the gun, pivotal kind of player that he is, it does worry me that he isn't out there.  He may not quite be on the Maxy kind of level of influence, but I think it's just as important that we have Melksham out on the park as Steven May. 

I actually think that Melksham is almost the  general of the forward line as much as we are looking for May to be the general of the backline.

100% agree, he is the most important player in our forward half.

  On 27/01/2020 at 12:55, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Convenient wedding.

Out of the injuries we have, Melksham is somewhat a worry for me.  I'm hoping that it's just a case of playing it safe and the Milkshake man plays another great season for us, but being the gun, pivotal kind of player that he is, it does worry me that he isn't out there.  He may not quite be on the Maxy kind of level of influence, but I think it's just as important that we have Melksham out on the park as Steven May. 

I actually think that Melksham is almost the  general of the forward line as much as we are looking for May to be the general of the backline.

Agree, but what did you mean by 'Convenient wedding'?  Odd.  Players get maried to hide their injury from Demonland? 

  On 27/01/2020 at 22:11, sue said:

Agree, but what did you mean by 'Convenient wedding'?  Odd.  Players get maried to hide their injury from Demonland? 

Probably been planning this injury for 12 months. Takes time to organise a decent injury.

 

 

  On 27/01/2020 at 22:18, ding said:

Probably been planning this injury for 12 months. Takes time to organise a decent injury.

 

 

General soreness?

  On 27/01/2020 at 23:10, Cards13 said:

General soreness?

Major injury to Private parts due to Corporal punishment involving Lance?

  On 27/01/2020 at 22:11, sue said:

Agree, but what did you mean by 'Convenient wedding'?  Odd.  Players get maried to hide their injury from Demonland? 

You're right, it was a stupid call.  I didn't realise it was actually his wedding. 

Just seems that as supporters we get treated a little bit like mushrooms sometimes, which is quite reasonable in a sense, as players are entitled to some privacy, but it does get a little frustrating.  Also me just going a little stir crazy waiting for the season to begin.

Back to the Garlett discussion; we should've kept him.

When ANB and Corey Wagner are the senior representatives of your small forward line department, you've probably an issue.

  On 28/01/2020 at 03:10, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Back to the Garlett discussion; we should've kept him.

When ANB and Corey Wagner are the senior representatives of your small forward line department, you've probably an issue.

Nah. It’s worth asking if Dan Butler, Sam Gray or some other stop gap should’ve been added but Jeff was done.

Either way, I firmly believe once he gets over his untimely broken wrist Chandler will be ready to play. And a poor tank alone isn’t a huge reason to doubt Kossie 

  On 28/01/2020 at 03:39, DeeSpencer said:

Nah. It’s worth asking if Dan Butler, Sam Gray or some other stop gap should’ve been added but Jeff was done.

Either way, I firmly believe once he gets over his untimely broken wrist Chandler will be ready to play. And a poor tank alone isn’t a huge reason to doubt Kossie 

Yeah I agree the Butler's and Gray's of this world should've been sought rather than keeping Garlett.

But to not replace Garlett with anyone externally was strange. Therefore we probably should've kept him just to make our small forward depth chart look a little stronger for 2020.

Will Pickett play a senior game in 2020? The varying training reports around here range from "he'll be our number 1 small forward in all 22 games" to "he can't run out a training session, therefore project player for 2022".

I'm not happy with our small forward options for 2020 but hope to be proven wrong.