Buckenara: Dees List Overrated

[Demonland 72,155]

Here’s the breakdown:

A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

B: Nil

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

C : James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

Developing*: Sam Weideman

Developing: Charlie Spargo, Oskar Baker, Harrison Petty, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow, Toby Bedford, Aaron Nietschke, Austin Bradtke, Kade Chandler

For a team that has had so many top draft picks, for the players not to have elevated themselves and/or received the right development to become very good AFL players or stars of the competition by now is alarming.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

So Bucky's been on Demonland pretty extensively then!

Edited October 9, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[BW511 2,668]

This will upset many here, but I feel he is pretty close to the mark.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

A few of the player ratings are a bit off IMO, but apart from that he's spot on and tbh I hope we cop more media flack this offseason.

 

[reynolds46 1,237]

the name Buckenara has sent shivers down my spine since 1987

[Superunknown 4,217]

Spot on.

Jenkins, Butler, Langdon - all reflects what is on here/

HAS BUCKENARA BEEN READING DL?

[Hatchman 539]

Must have been, which is why this is my front runner for the laziest piece of AFL journalism of the trade season. Go home Bucky you're drunk

 

A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

B: Nil

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

C: James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

 

 

[BW511 2,668]

I'd like to see where everyone rates that list compared to Bucky.

For me;

 

T-Mac & Viney down to B-

KK down to C

May up to B

Tracc up to B-

 

Rest I am relatively comfortable with.

 

 

[daisycutter 29,613]

1 minute ago, BW511 said:

I'd like to see where everyone rates that list compared to Bucky.

For me;

 

T-Mac & Viney down to B-

KK down to C

May up to B

Tracc up to B-

 

Rest I am relatively comfortable with.

 

 

harmes = stretch = C (6th tier)?

[Demon Dude 425]

besides slightly under rating Petracca, Lever and Jetta, as in my opinion their ball use elevates them about those he has them alongside, i'd say he has graded most of the players about right on their careers so far. everyone needs to step up a grade or two, and for more than just 1 year, if they want to be taken seriously.

 

[BW511 2,668]

@daisycutterThat is probably a bit rough, I agree. He is a brilliant clubmen and the effort is always there.

How much time would the opposition put into worrying about Harmes each week?

Edit: I should add that we are comparing against the rest of the AFL here

Edited October 9, 2019 by BW511

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,720]

I posted on one of the FB pages re this, and while I agree with his summary based on last season, he said similar things regarding the Richmond season in 2016 and also said they can't win a premiership with that list.

I'm fairly sure this time last year Buckenara was praising our list.... it's very easy to just write things based on one season.

[binman 42,896]

23 minutes ago, BW511 said:

This will upset many here, but I feel he is pretty close to the mark.

Agree. His assessment of our list is not a million miles away. I'd have Hibberd at C+ and Harmes and Trac at B-

But surely we expect both Lever and may to elevate to A graders - and Trac for that matter. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by binman

[deebug 1,754]

19 minutes ago, reynolds46 said:

the name Buckenara has sent shivers down my spine since 1987

You and me both.

[dl4e 5,851]

He is just repeating what everyone else has been saying about Melbourne.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

harmes = stretch = C (6th tier)?

That's his major blunder along with KK .  Harmes is at least a C+ / B-

KK hasn't fired a shot ....yet.  Not sure how he has even assessed him.  May also.  Off 8 games or so?  Obviously a bit of dart throwing journalistic license in some of those.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

In my world Harmes is higher than a C sheesh, have a look at a couple of the names on the C list. His finals campaign was brilliant in 2018 and probably our best in the prelim. If that’s not elevating your game I don’t know what is. One of our consistent performers this year also.

Others need to pull the finger out.

[BW511 2,668]

5 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

In my world Harmes is higher than a C sheesh, have a look at a couple of the names on the C list. His finals campaign was brilliant in 2018 and probably our best in the prelim. If that’s not elevating your game I don’t know what is. One of our consistent performers this year also.

Others need to pull the finger out.

I really like Harmes, don't get me wrong.

Just think our starting 4 midfielders vs West Coast 2020 highlights how far off we are. Max and Clayton break even, then we get smoked

[nosoupforme 3,085]

We will be judged all through the 2020 season and it is up to the players to silence the critics. It is not just the media it is also us supporters  who support them.  We are the critics as well.

Less injuries and good recruiting can help.

 

[rjay 24,917]

A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

B: Nil

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

C James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

Developing*: Sam Weideman

Developing: Charlie Spargo, Oskar Baker, Harrison Petty, James Jordan, Tom Sparrow, Toby Bedford, Aaron Nietschke, Austin Bradtke, Kade Chandler

Here's mine on expectation for the next season: 

Developing: Only ones I see with a future are Petty, Jordon & Sparrow

Developing* Weid...I'm... "Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'"

C-: Omac, Smith, Wagners, JKH,KK, Preuss

C Frost, Hannan, ANB, Tomlinson

C+: Jones, AVB, Hore, Hibberd

B-: Viney, Langdon, Salem, Trac, Jetta, Melk, TMac, Harmes,

B: Brayshaw (if he stays)

B+: Lever

A: Gawn, Oliver, May

We've got a bit of work to do...I hope we haven't finished trading when the Langdon deal is done...

Edited October 9, 2019 by rjay

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

5 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I really like Harmes, don't get me wrong.

Just think our starting 4 midfielders vs West Coast 2020 highlights how far off we are. Max and Clayton break even, then we get smoked

By no means was my post intended for you BW, apologies if it read that way, just think Buckenara’s grading isn’t a true reflection of Harmes.

[Demon from Sydney 50]

39 minutes ago, Hatchman said:

Must have been, which is why this is my front runner for the laziest piece of AFL journalism of the trade season. Go home Bucky you're drunk

 

A: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver

B+: Jack Viney, Tom McDonald

B: Nil

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May

C+: Christian Petracca, Jake Lever, Sam Frost, Aaron Vandenberg, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neale-Bullen, Marty Hore, Josh Wagner, Neville Jetta

? James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Mitch Hannan, Oscar McDonald, Joel Smith, Corey Wagner

C-: Jay Kennedy-Harris, Braydon Preuss

 

 

Yeah Viney isnt a B+,his skill level is average & not a great decision maker.

KK & Fritsch are C at best.

Oscar can go below a C for mine

[Tough Kent 2,137]

Josh Wagner = C PLUS

James Harmes = C

Yep, he knows our players intimately.

[old dee 23,787]

35 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree. His assessment of our list is not a million miles away. I'd have Hibberd at C+ and Harmes and Trac at B-

But surely we expect both Lever and may to elevate to A graders - and Trac for that matter. 

Agree binman however what we might have expected from Lever and May has not happened.

Both IMO are injury prone, if we get 18 - 20 games out of both of them in 2020 I will be astounded.   So far both are overpaid average contributors.

Edited October 10, 2019 by old dee

[george_on_the_outer 7,590]

If his assessment is correct....then we should have been given a priority pick!