I don't think Billy is quite good enough but Goodwin/FD completely stuffed up his development.

I remember him progressing in 2016 and then he went back into his shell as he was yo-yoed in and out of the team in 2017. This was clearly an important time in his development, because he's never recovered.

Without fail, he holds the ball up and questions his decision making every time he gets it. In 2016, he didn't. Whatever's been said to him during 2017 rocked him and it's probably time he tried a new environment.

4 hours ago, A F said:

I don't think Billy is quite good enough but Goodwin/FD completely stuffed up his development.

I remember him progressing in 2016 and then he went back into his shell as he was yo-yoed in and out of the team in 2017. This was clearly an important time in his development, because he's never recovered.

Without fail, he holds the ball up and questions his decision making every time he gets it. In 2016, he didn't. Whatever's been said to him during 2017 rocked him and it's probably time he tried a new environment.

Player development is important but so is winning. You have to pick the best available side every week and if Billy was in it one week and not the next the onus was on him to become better not for us to pick a worse side.

39 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Player development is important but so is winning. You have to pick the best available side every week and if Billy was in it one week and not the next the onus was on him to become better not for us to pick a worse side.

Agreed that he shouldn't have been a walk up starter, but it's not like we've been blessed with wingers or outside players in the last few years.

I don't really care that Billy was drafted as an inside mid. He won't make it as an inside mid and needs to make it on the outside or in another position.

36 minutes ago, A F said:

Agreed that he shouldn't have been a walk up starter, but it's not like we've been blessed with wingers or outside players in the last few years.

I don't really care that Billy was drafted as an inside mid. He won't make it as an inside mid and needs to make it on the outside or in another position.

But his ‘natural’ position is at the coalface, and in our side he’s a long way back in the queue 

He’s a classic ‘good, ordinary’ player

6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Jetta - a heap of power, limited endurance, excellent overhead  

Stretch - no power, good endurance, poor overhead 

He has to go play wing, high half forward or as the up the ground back flanker. I don’t mind him in the sweeping flanker role but that’s a long way from a lock down defender. 

Jetta also has fantastic lateral movement, something Stretch does not.

Jetta was born to be a lockdown small. Stretch has neither the strength nor mongrel to do that job.

3 minutes ago, faultydet said:

Jetta also has fantastic lateral movement, something Stretch does not.

Jetta was born to be a lockdown small. Stretch has neither the strength nor mongrel to do that job.

Yes, he might not succeed there, but I reckon it’ll be tried.

18 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

The decisions with ball in hand in the ANB role are much simpler than the decisions on the wing. Kick goal, kick to leading teammate, kick to top of the square. 

Billy's exacting personality hurt him up the field because he is afraid of making bad decisions.

He never got the chance to play ANB's simpler role so comparisons are not valid.

And yet you compared him with Lewis earlier in the thread, when Lewis played a fair bit of this year as a lock down forward. Why does every player have to be compared to ANB as well? Billy got a heap of opportunity to show what he could do in his best spot, is say there's a chance we might rookie him if the suns don't, but he's had a lot of chances to own the position we're clearly trying to fill this trade period.

15 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

And yet you compared him with Lewis earlier in the thread, when Lewis played a fair bit of this year as a lock down forward. Why does every player have to be compared to ANB as well? Billy got a heap of opportunity to show what he could do in his best spot, is say there's a chance we might rookie him if the suns don't, but he's had a lot of chances to own the position we're clearly trying to fill this trade period.

I believe you've confused me with someone else. I've never compared either Stretch or ANB with Lewis and I haven't mentioned Lewis in this thread.  

I can leave ANB out of my suggestion and simply make it "why wasn't Billy tried as a defensive forward because this  is likely to suit his attributes and be his best position."

I won’t shed any tears at his departure, has failed to become anything more than an average player. Can’t imagine we’ll get much for him, good luck to him at GC. 

This has all gone quiet, hasn’t it?  The Suns have got one zillion new picks, and there is a queue of players linked to going there.  Think Stretch would be a low priority for them.  Will be interesting to see what happens over the off season - maybe do a Jetta, get rookied, work his backside off and become a valuable player.

might be able to scavenge a pick in the late 40s but even that would be pushing it

If he gets to the Suns I doubt we would get anything more than a 3rd round pick at absolute best.

13 minutes ago, Frustrated Demon said:

If he gets to the Suns I doubt we would get anything more than a 3rd round pick at absolute best.

Yep. Free to a good home token trade.

Edited October 1, 20195 yr by BAMF

On 9/27/2019 at 2:35 PM, A F said:

I don't think Billy is quite good enough but Goodwin/FD completely stuffed up his development.

I remember him progressing in 2016 and then he went back into his shell as he was yo-yoed in and out of the team in 2017. This was clearly an important time in his development, because he's never recovered.

Without fail, he holds the ball up and questions his decision making every time he gets it. In 2016, he didn't. Whatever's been said to him during 2017 rocked him and it's probably time he tried a new environment.

Astute observation

15 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

This has all gone quiet, hasn’t it?  The Suns have got one zillion new picks, and there is a queue of players linked to going there.  Think Stretch would be a low priority for them.  Will be interesting to see what happens over the off season - maybe do a Jetta, get rookied, work his backside off and become a valuable player.

I think it's gone quiet because there's not much to say.
He'll get there if he wants to be there. Good luck to the kid.

as an aside what is the latest on JKH.

If he goes as well which he probably should our midfield depth is looking thin

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

as an aside what is the latest on JKH.

If he goes as well which he probably should our midfield depth is looking thin

It was thin even with JKH and Stretch

What now with Billy Stretch?

Delisting?

I wouldn't be upset if we offer him another year but really I can't see what the point is. He's never been able to nail down a position with confidence within the club and really just looks average and unsure of himself when he breaks into the team.

I'd delist both him and JKH without much hesitation.

3 minutes ago, Pates said:

I wouldn't be upset if we offer him another year but really I can't see what the point is. He's never been able to nail down a position with confidence within the club and really just looks average and unsure of himself when he breaks into the team.

I'd delist both him and JKH without much hesitation.

Nothing else to say but concur.

10 minutes ago, Demon Head said:

What now with Billy Stretch?

Delisting?

I'd keep him and delist JKH and add Murray as a free agent.

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, PETTY, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: HARMES, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HUNT, YOUNG, WEIGHTMAN

EMERG: VANDENBERG, MURRAY, J.SMITH, HANNAN

 

CASEY

B: JORDON, O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER

HB: MURRAY, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : STRETCH, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, J.SMITH, NEAL-BULLEN

F: LOCKHART, BRADTKE, C.WAGNER

FOLL: PREUSS, VANDENBERG, SPARGO

IC: DUNKLEY, CHANDLER, BEDFORD, NEITSCKE

EMERG: ROOKIE

46 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I'd keep him and delist JKH and add Murray as a free agent.

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, PETTY, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: HARMES, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HUNT, YOUNG, WEIGHTMAN

EMERG: VANDENBERG, MURRAY, J.SMITH, HANNAN

 

CASEY

B: JORDON, O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER

HB: MURRAY, HORE, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : STRETCH, SPARROW, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, J.SMITH, NEAL-BULLEN

F: LOCKHART, BRADTKE, C.WAGNER

FOLL: PREUSS, VANDENBERG, SPARGO

IC: DUNKLEY, CHANDLER, BEDFORD, NEITSCKE

EMERG: ROOKIE

Thanks for these.

1 hour ago, Demon Head said:

What now with Billy Stretch?

Delisting?

Yes like to keep Billy Stretch.  Tell him two simple rules.  Move quickly and play on.  Kick it as far as you can.  
He has the talent and pace and endurance. His stopping after possession and chipping 15 metre kicks are killers.  
Just needs some confidence imo

If we had a choice between Billy or JKH then I'm choosing Billy. 

One of the most professional players at our club and with 2 kids coming through from the draft early on, I wouldn't mind billy taking them both under his wing Clayton Oliver style.