Farewell Sam Frost

[Bates Mate 4,467]

1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said:

There’s a lot in that statement though, isn’t there. Not suggesting it’s incorrect. But it’s one of many examples that illustrates that the fulfilment of a player’s potential is not down to the player alone, but the club as well. Collingwood managed what Melbourne couldn’t. 

He was great in the first 2-3 years with us then got "Melbourned"

[TGR 1,367]

On 10/2/2019 at 6:54 PM, Cards13 said:

Clarkson doesn’t do the trades, it’s Graham Wright.

So Clarko has no say at all?

 

Our footy IQ is lower than I thought.  Wholesale interest rates.

[TGR 1,367]

On 10/2/2019 at 3:57 PM, Moonshadow said:

Hyperbole.

The reality is it was picks 10 and 19 for Lever

We got pick 6 for Hogan which could've been Ben King if we had taken it to draft night. Alas, we didn't. And Hogan has been quite the flop for Freo.

Please name an ex Melbourne player that Clarko has improved?

Tom Scully

[Moonshadow 17,675]

2 minutes ago, TGR said:

Tom Scully

Bull [censored].

Scully's best was for GWS. He's a plodder at Hawthorn

[old55 23,371]

10 minutes ago, TGR said:

So Clarko has no say at all?

 

Our footy IQ is lower than I thought.  Wholesale interest rates.

Dayle Garlett?

[demoniac 1,330]

2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Leading in to the start of last season was the “predicted best 22 thread”. 3/4 of posters had all of May, Lever and Oscar in their back 6. Then Frost came in and held his spot all year, there were even games when all four were available and Oscar didn’t play. Now according to some we only need a fit May and Lever as tall defenders. Also surprising is the lack of the conversation about the players around Frost this year, for if they were more up to the task we might not even be talking about this. 

May, Petty, Lever, Tommy Mac can go back.  Oscar Mac as a backup had a poor 2019 but has played better in previous years.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

7 hours ago, hemingway said:

Agree on all points. 

I spoke to Frosty at the GF and he seemed very genuine is his comments that he wanted to stay with the Demons. Yes, I know, he was speaking to a stranger and that is what you would expect him to say. However, he seemed very genuine.

If the choice was between May, Oscar and Frosty, I would pick Frost. 

May comes for the money, turns up overweight and quickly runs into injury problems. He bawls out Frosty in a  match, a terrible look, something best left to a private space.  Not leadership, simply hot tempered and belittling. 

The most improved bloke in the second half of the season is not wanted over three aging injury prone players or a bloke who has shown no improvement since his first game. 

My other concern is the way the club has managed the Frost discussion. Lever comes out several weeks ago and comments on the defenders but does not speak of Frost. Poor form. The club then appears to be mute on Frosty's future. Nothing appears to be have been said to Frosty. He is kept in the dark.

For God's sake, as a matter of good people management and decency, the coach could at least speak to Frosty and tell him that he does not fit into his plans for 2020 and that he will not be offered a contract etc. Or if he is offered a contract that it will be a low offer

A bit like Watts, the club does not appear to have talked to the player. If this is true, its poor player management. At least have the honesty and decency to be upfront with the player. 

It may be a dog eat dog market, but the coach and the club should have some guts and show some decency and respect to the player.

It sends a bad message to other players and is not the way to foster team morale. 

Is this the way Richmond would have acted ?  

As per Max Gawn's comments, perhaps only some of the players are brothers. 

 

In full agreement here Ernest and some good points.  Appears like he has been cast aside or out for quite some time.

But the bolded part, is this just speculation?  Can we (you) be sure they haven't spoken to him and possibly worlds apart with his Manager on price?

[Cards13 9,117]

2 hours ago, TGR said:

So Clarko has no say at all?

 

Our footy IQ is lower than I thought.  Wholesale interest rates.

That’s not what you said and you know it.... Clarkson can make a silk purse out of a sows ear and can sell it high to anyone.

Nope Wright does the bargaining so he should get the credit for the overselling whether the coach “has a say” or not.

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,165]

9 hours ago, hemingway said:

Agree on all points. 

I spoke to Frosty at the GF and he seemed very genuine is his comments that he wanted to stay with the Demons. Yes, I know, he was speaking to a stranger and that is what you would expect him to say. However, he seemed very genuine.

If the choice was between May, Oscar and Frosty, I would pick Frost. 

May comes for the money, turns up overweight and quickly runs into injury problems. He bawls out Frosty in a  match, a terrible look, something best left to a private space.  Not leadership, simply hot tempered and belittling. 

The most improved bloke in the second half of the season is not wanted over three aging injury prone players or a bloke who has shown no improvement since his first game. 

My other concern is the way the club has managed the Frost discussion. Lever comes out several weeks ago and comments on the defenders but does not speak of Frost. Poor form. The club then appears to be mute on Frosty's future. Nothing appears to be have been said to Frosty. He is kept in the dark.

For God's sake, as a matter of good people management and decency, the coach could at least speak to Frosty and tell him that he does not fit into his plans for 2020 and that he will not be offered a contract etc. Or if he is offered a contract that it will be a low offer

A bit like Watts, the club does not appear to have talked to the player. If this is true, its poor player management. At least have the honesty and decency to be upfront with the player. 

It may be a dog eat dog market, but the coach and the club should have some guts and show some decency and respect to the player.

It sends a bad message to other players and is not the way to foster team morale. 

Is this the way Richmond would have acted ?  

As per Max Gawn's comments, perhaps only some of the players are brothers. 

 

Every club does exit interviews with every player. The players know where the club stands in regards to them

[Dr. Gonzo 24,165]

8 hours ago, Kent said:

You don't know how May will turnup like nobody knew he would turn up fat last year

I cannot believe this club puts up with crap like this.

I will never believe May is committed as a result

I'm betting you wish you could be as "fat" as May, I know I do

[Dr. Gonzo 24,165]

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So we lose out. Hibberd looked done at years end to me

once again Whorethorn picks the eyes out of our list 

It is so tiresome being a mere feeder Club

Dude they're not pinching Oliver from us, it's Frost FFS

[Dr. Gonzo 24,165]

8 hours ago, hemingway said:

I did not include Lever only referenced May and Oscar. The latter for obvious reasons, the former, mainly due to history of injuries. Also not impressed with his body language on the field but entirely subjective of course. 

We will know the answer this time next year if not before. I think Lever has attitude and leadership written all over him, just needs to remain injury free.  We had two players on very high coin earning their money in the gym. 

Last season, we played poorly due to injury and the inability for a core group of players to string games together. If the same thing happens in 2020 we will be further up the creek without Frost. 

Further up the creek than 17th? Once you're that far downstream does it even matter?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,165]

5 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

There’s a lot in that statement though, isn’t there. Not suggesting it’s incorrect. But it’s one of many examples that illustrates that the fulfilment of a player’s potential is not down to the player alone, but the club as well. Collingwood managed what Melbourne couldn’t. 

If Roos couldn't get the best out of Howe that's on Howe, not the club. He's overrated anyway takes some decent intercept marks, does the odd thing that sets up the play but still turns it over more than he should

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Dude they're not pinching Oliver from us, it's Frost FFS

Frosty. The wild Bull whom Clarkson will see the potential Goodwin couldn’t. 

Meanwhile we persist with Oscar....

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

40 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If Roos couldn't get the best out of Howe that's on Howe, not the club. He's overrated anyway takes some decent intercept marks, does the odd thing that sets up the play but still turns it over more than he should

Those speccys though, Dr. Gonzo. Those speccys. 

(Is that how you spell “speccy”?  Doesn’t look right. Speckys? Speckees??)

Edited October 3, 2019 by Mel Bourne

[Macca 16,913]

4 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Those speccys though, Dr. Gonzo. Those speccys. 

(Is that how you spell “speccy”?  Doesn’t look right. Speckys? Speckees??)

It could be that 'Specky' has often only ever been said and not written in print.  That's why it doesn't look right.  But 'Specky' it is (I think)

A bit like 'Jack Hill the blind miner could see that'  ... better said than written.

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

It could be that 'Specky' has often only ever been said and not written in print.  That's why it doesn't look right.  But 'Specky' it is (I think)

A bit like 'Jack Hill the blind miner could see that'  ... better said than written.

I just love that it’s short for ‘spectacular’. Our long history of shortening words within an inch of their lives then sticking a ‘y’ on the end, got off to a roaring start. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

1 hour ago, Mel Bourne said:

I just love that it’s short for ‘spectacular’. Our long history of shortening words within an inch of their lives then sticking a ‘y’ on the end, got off to a roaring start. 

Yelling Spectacular loudly is fabulous!!

[Fork 'em 6,983]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Frosty. The wild Bull whom Clarkson will see the potential Goodwin couldn’t. 

Meanwhile we persist with Oscar....

100%
Was about to post the exact same thing.
I value Clarksons opinion over Goodwins.

Hell, I value my own over Goodwins.
 

Edited October 3, 2019 by Fork 'em

[John Demonic 5,747]

2 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

100%
Was about to post the exact same thing.
I value Clarksons opinion over Goodwins.

Hell, I value my own over Goodwins.
 

I really hope we give a lifeline to Tye Vickery & Jack Fitzpatrick in the offseason then

[chookrat 4,247]

15 hours ago, hemingway said:

Agree on all points. 

I spoke to Frosty at the GF and he seemed very genuine is his comments that he wanted to stay with the Demons. Yes, I know, he was speaking to a stranger and that is what you would expect him to say. However, he seemed very genuine.

If the choice was between May, Oscar and Frosty, I would pick Frost. 

May comes for the money, turns up overweight and quickly runs into injury problems. He bawls out Frosty in a  match, a terrible look, something best left to a private space.  Not leadership, simply hot tempered and belittling. 

The most improved bloke in the second half of the season is not wanted over three aging injury prone players or a bloke who has shown no improvement since his first game. 

My other concern is the way the club has managed the Frost discussion. Lever comes out several weeks ago and comments on the defenders but does not speak of Frost. Poor form. The club then appears to be mute on Frosty's future. Nothing appears to be have been said to Frosty. He is kept in the dark.

For God's sake, as a matter of good people management and decency, the coach could at least speak to Frosty and tell him that he does not fit into his plans for 2020 and that he will not be offered a contract etc. Or if he is offered a contract that it will be a low offer

A bit like Watts, the club does not appear to have talked to the player. If this is true, its poor player management. At least have the honesty and decency to be upfront with the player. 

It may be a dog eat dog market, but the coach and the club should have some guts and show some decency and respect to the player.

It sends a bad message to other players and is not the way to foster team morale. 

Is this the way Richmond would have acted ?  

As per Max Gawn's comments, perhaps only some of the players are brothers. 

 

Reading Mahoney's article posted on the MFC page yesterday it looks as though Frost has been asked to ezplore his options, but if he doesn't have any suitors then Melbourne have a contract for him. This is similar to the Watts situatiin a couple of years ago and something I don't have any issue with.

[doc roet 1,287]

6 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

I just love that it’s short for ‘spectacular’. Our long history of shortening words within an inch of their lives then sticking a ‘y’ on the end, got off to a roaring start. 

Coming from the building industry, the word specky ( short for speculation ) means in the hope of gain, but with the risk of loss and could be validly  assigned to Frosty when he charges out of the backline. 

[jumbo returns 6,737]

Has he handed in his locker key yet?

[jumbo returns 6,737]

8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Frosty. The wild Bull whom Clarkson will see the potential Goodwin couldn’t. 

Meanwhile we persist with Oscar....

Hardly persisted....

Embellish much?

[spirit of norm smith 16,271]

Who has Clarko improved? 

Ricky Henderson is not a bad example. Spud at the Crows. 

2019 - he unbelievably had average 25 possessions as a rotating on/off midfielder.  BoG v Pies with nearly 40 possessions if so recall

not saying clarko can weave miracles but he may improve Frostys disposal and turn him into a top class attacking defender