Jump to content

Featured Replies

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

 
6 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

Say 5 Hail Mary’s and go in peace my child.

11 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

I'd trade Brayshaw a million times before even thinking of letting Viney go (and i don't want to trade Brayshaw). For all his limitations, Viney does not take a backward step, gives 100% and is always happy to be the first one to rampage through the wall.

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

 
21 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I might have suggested, at some stage, on another thread, that we consider trading JV.

Please forgive me.

Only Jack himself can pardon you.

I'd be careful about approaching him at training, though. You don't want to end up in the Jack Viney Made Me Cry Thread. 

16 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I'd trade Brayshaw a million times before even thinking of letting Viney go (and i don't want to trade Brayshaw). For all his limitations, Viney does not take a backward step, gives 100% and is always happy to be the first one to rampage through the wall.

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

He was very good at the weekend and was back to his bullocking best. Hopefully the foot doesn't flair up and he can maintain this form for the rest of the season.


15 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

 

His onfield leadership and physicality becomes all the more important, now that May is out for a month.

Was thinking about this today

Does Jack spend some time in defence with May out for a few weeks, to help out or does he keep pushing forward??

 

12 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Only Jack himself can pardon you.

I'd be careful about approaching him at training, though. You don't want to end up in the Jack Viney Made Me Cry Thread. 

Viney doesn't forget. Or forgive.

 
8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Was thinking about this today

Does Jack spend some time in defence with May out for a few weeks, to help out or does he keep pushing forward??

 

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

Edited by JimmyGadson

52 minutes ago, demonstone said:

That's just standardus operandus around here if have interpretated this site properly.

Pretty corny........just saying


Just maybe there needed to be some clear air done. I reckon if it was still around Williams would have picked up on it.

55 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

Yes I know 

some of that pressure may be useful in defence with May out. 
late night srategy meetings will be going on right now to see how we cover the next few weeks

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

Yep, I wouldn’t move him back, keep him where he is having the greatest influence. Lever can co-ordinate the backline, and if there is some niggle that’s needing to be sorted, I’m sure Jack will gladly make his way down to see what’s going on.

2 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

If Jack wanted to leave, then that's his choice, if the FD pushed it because of a need to either get him out, or get out his flaws to capitalise on someone where the attributes would be more useful, than that is fine too.

But jeez, you know what you are going to get and not get with Jack... 'it does what it says on the tin'

 

I think the Club has got smarter with this bit and much like the term "doing a Bradbury", I think "doing a Treloar" will become the go to phrase for describing when a Club monumentally stuff's up the moving on of a player.

Edited by dworship


I want to put my hand up and say I was wrong about this. I haven't gone back over the thread to see, but I'm pretty sure I was one of the voices to trade Jack. It turns out he needed a bit more maturity and better coaching.

The midfield is working a treat this year. There definitely seems to be a selflessness emanating through the midfield group and Jack seems to be trying to keep things simple. If he does the simple things well he's a very good player.

I'm glad. And sorry, Jack.

Edited by A F

On 9/2/2019 at 9:43 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Ffs mods kills this fu&($!)n crap threads now 

I haven’t changed my mind. 
 

Viney is a bloody champion.  

2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

It was really a 'Trade excess inside midfielder we're plodding on a wing, for an actual winger" thread, that JV/Brayshaw are caught up in. The club is playing JV in the midfield and he's thriving, which is a No brainer outcome. The jury is still out on that wing position as the season progresses.

Think the wing is going well in Gus's hands.

Good disposal to forwards and filled in down back well after quarter time. 

1 hour ago, JimmyGadson said:

He's been spending time at half-forward as part of his rotation through the middle and his forward pressure has been immense. 

He is arguably our best tackler and on the weekend he was unrelenting. I like him there and hope it continues. 

We seem to be gelling unbelievably well atm. 

I should say despite going back on the trade Jack train, I was certainly one of the posters saying he needed to be utilised between half forward as a tackler and rolling through the midfield, so that's at least something. :P

I'm about one win away from heading over to the "is Goody the right guy?" Thread to confess my sins too. ??

 

 


2 minutes ago, 58er said:

Think the wing is going well in Gus's hands.

Good disposal to forwards and filled in down back well after quarter time. 

I love Brayshaw and Viney (love all our players) so would hate to see one of them leave.

But I had said a number of times that we have a surplus of inside mids and the lack of outside run is the thing that is hurting us. So at the end of last year, if that was difference between us succeeding or not, I thought we should have looked at it - I thought moreso it would be Harmes or Brayshaw. The signs are really good so far and I hope more than anything it continues.  But we will lose matches this year and our flaws will be exposed (every team has them).  Will all the love still be here when that happens or if we drop a few in a row?  I hope people will not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think Brayshaw has played his best football as an inside mid and so for him to play on the wing or a flank is not only a sacrifice for the team - but also for his own career.  But maybe that's what he and the club want.  It is definitely working better than I thought it would in the preseason.  I am very intrigued when Brown and potentially Weid come back, will TMac be fighting with Brayshaw for the wing position?  And does anyone have Harmes in their best 22 anymore?  

What excited me most about the last few weeks on this issue (too many inside mids in the team) is that Viney has shown he can play a damaging role as a manic pressure forward when he's not on ball.  I think most of us thought he could do it, but I don't think we'd seen it consistently prior to this year.  Just like we'd want from Oliver, if our main mids can cause havoc when played forward it adds new weapons to the coach's kitbag that many teams don't have.

 

35 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

I love Brayshaw and Viney (love all our players) so would hate to see one of them leave.

But I had said a number of times that we have a surplus of inside mids and the lack of outside run is the thing that is hurting us. So at the end of last year, if that was difference between us succeeding or not, I thought we should have looked at it - I thought moreso it would be Harmes or Brayshaw. The signs are really good so far and I hope more than anything it continues.  But we will lose matches this year and our flaws will be exposed (every team has them).  Will all the love still be here when that happens or if we drop a few in a row?  I hope people will not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I still think Brayshaw has played his best football as an inside mid and so for him to play on the wing or a flank is not only a sacrifice for the team - but also for his own career.  But maybe that's what he and the club want.  It is definitely working better than I thought it would in the preseason.  I am very intrigued when Brown and potentially Weid come back, will TMac be fighting with Brayshaw for the wing position?  And does anyone have Harmes in their best 22 anymore?  

What excited me most about the last few weeks on this issue (too many inside mids in the team) is that Viney has shown he can play a damaging role as a manic pressure forward when he's not on ball.  I think most of us thought he could do it, but I don't think we'd seen it consistently prior to this year.  Just like we'd want from Oliver, if our main mids can cause havoc when played forward it adds new weapons to the coach's kitbag that many teams don't have.

 

Good post mate.

As for your question about Harmes, yeah, I'd have him ahead of Tom Sparrow and/or James Jordon, because he offers the flexibility to play pressure forward or tagger or inside mid.

The coaches seem to be able to get the most out of our guys at the moment. I think Harmes will be the same.

That this thread was even started is 'quite brilliant' as Ross Lyon would say. Gun teams have gun mids that need to learn to work together if they want to be strong finals contender. The answer isn't pushing one of your best players out and certainly not the most selfless mid of them all that had been waiting for the penny to drop with the other mids to lift their team first acts and sacrifice their games when it's their turn ... Bris had Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin etc. 3 brownlow medalist amongst them and they stayed together

 
18 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

That this thread was even started is 'quite brilliant' as Ross Lyon would say. Gun teams have gun mids that need to learn to work together if they want to be strong finals contender. The answer isn't pushing one of your best players out and certainly not the most selfless mid of them all that had been waiting for the penny to drop with the other mids to lift their team first acts and sacrifice their games when it's their turn ... Bris had Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin etc. 3 brownlow medalist amongst them and they stayed together

Sorry, again, selfless means not trying to be a hero with your possessions. It may mean playing within your own limits. Jack seems to be doing this better now, but previously, he's resembled a rugby league players attempting to take on 15 tacklers instead of taking the right option. Jack seems to be maturing and understanding that rugby Jack is a selfish way to play and doesn't help our midfield. All of our mids have clearly had to learn how to function better together.

3 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

Even illiterate people know Mea Culpa isn't French.

Evidently I'm not going to get too many laughs..

Cest la vie


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • GAMEDAY: Collingwood

    It's Game Day and the Demons face a monumental task as they take on the top-of-the-table Magpies in one of the biggest games on the Dees calendar: the King's Birthday Big Freeze MND match. Can the Demons defy the odds and claim a massive scalp to keep their finals hopes alive?

      • Like
    • 38 replies
  • CASEY: Collingwood

    It was freezing cold at Mission Whitten Stadium where only the brave came out in the rain to watch a game that turned out to be as miserable as the weather.
    The Casey Demons secured their third consecutive victory, earning the four premiership points and credit for defeating a highly regarded Collingwood side, but achieved little else. Apart perhaps from setting the scene for Monday’s big game at the MCG and the Ice Challenge that precedes it.
    Neither team showcased significant skill in the bleak and greasy conditions, at a location that was far from either’s home territory. Even the field umpires forgot where they were and experienced a challenging evening, but no further comment is necessary.

      • Like
    • 4 replies
  • NON-MFC: Round 13

    Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

    • 216 replies
  • PREVIEW: Collingwood

    Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

    • 1 reply
  • CASEY: Sydney

    The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

    • 1 reply
  • REPORT: St. Kilda

    Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
    This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

      • Like
    • 4 replies