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On 8/29/2019 at 11:57 AM, picket fence said:

Wrong !Spargo, Billy Stretch just as bad

Trade or delist. Spargo, Billy Stretch, JKH, ANB, T Smith, both Wagners.

AVB Gets one more year under the new fitness Guru and thats it

Chandler and Bedford Just by the skin of their teeth

Hopefully Dunkley comes on a Bit

 

I like it.  Get rid of list cloggers 

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    10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    I like it.  Get rid of list cloggers 

    No more movement & it's been nearly a week. I think the FD need to have more fibre in their diet. We have only delisted Garlett from the senior list along with the Maynard & Lewis retirements. If we get Langdon that will mean as it stands that we only have 2 picks probably 2 & 38 as they stand at the moment  Freo will want pick 20 at least. With the season we have had surely we can move JKH etc on...... Might be they think they can trade him & some of the others. Also other than Keilty (rookie) what about Walker cat B always injured and AVB perpetually injured. Surely we can't carry players indefinitely. For instance JKH has been on the list for more than 5 years and still plays like a deer in headlights and Vanders is never fit. Very poor list mangement. We have too many VFL standard players like the Wagners, ANB etc....shades of Terlich etc from 5 years ago surely we need to hit the draft and get some new talent.

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    On 8/29/2019 at 11:57 AM, picket fence said:

    Wrong !Spargo, Billy Stretch just as bad

    Trade or delist. Spargo, Billy Stretch, JKH, ANB, T Smith, both Wagners.

    AVB Gets one more year under the new fitness Guru and thats it

    Chandler and Bedford Just by the skin of their teeth

    Hopefully Dunkley comes on a Bit

     

    Spargo is in his 2nd year.  He was brilliant last year and had an average year this year, he definitely gets more time.

    its not uncommon for players to have a downer in their second  year.

    Its ridiculous to think you get rid of 18 or 19 yr old kids.  They are not going to come in and dominate. 

     

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    1 hour ago, samcantstandya said:

    No more movement & it's been nearly a week. I think the FD need to have more fibre in their diet. We have only delisted Garlett from the senior list along with the Maynard & Lewis retirements. If we get Langdon that will mean as it stands that we only have 2 picks probably 2 & 38 as they stand at the moment  Freo will want pick 20 at least. With the season we have had surely we can move JKH etc on...... Might be they think they can trade him & some of the others. Also other than Keilty (rookie) what about Walker cat B always injured and AVB perpetually injured. Surely we can't carry players indefinitely. For instance JKH has been on the list for more than 5 years and still plays like a deer in headlights and Vanders is never fit. Very poor list mangement. We have too many VFL standard players like the Wagners, ANB etc....shades of Terlich etc from 5 years ago surely we need to hit the draft and get some new talent.

    There is plenty of time left yet to delist players that are not required.

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    JKH, J Wagner are no brainers. AVB by the skin of his teeth, lucky he has a contract. I’d give Spargo another year but I don’t see any attributes of his that will justify selection going forward. 

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    32 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    Spargo is in his 2nd year.  He was brilliant last year

    Gilding the Lily a bit there '11'...

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    Spargo showed signs that he could make the grade in 2018 but all at sea in 2019..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    3 hours ago, rjay said:

    Gilding the Lily a bit there '11'...

    For a 1st year player, he was brilliant.  The kid played the whole second half of the year and was integral to our forward line.  

    The impatience people have on young players is ridiculous. 

    Players need time in system to develop and improve their fitness. It doesn’t happen in 1 or 2 years and if you think it does you are kidding yourself.

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    2 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    For a 1st year player, he was brilliant. 

     

    No rising star nom???

    He was ok, played a role, obviously a coach favourite...not brilliant.

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    3 hours ago, DeeZone said:

    Spargo showed signs that he could make the grade in 2018 but all at sea in 2019..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Which is very common for 2nd year players.   They are nurses through their first year and by the 2nd year they are expected to do everything which is why many struggle 

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    21 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    Which is very common for 2nd year players.   They are nurses through their first year and by the 2nd year they are expected to do everything which is why many struggle 

    Spargo has gone from 18 games 1st year to 8 games in a poor team struggling to fill numbers 2nd year

    Not a trajectory that offers much hope... reminds me of Jimmy Toumpas

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    I have a sinking feeling that KK will be gone.

    My suspicion is that medical advice will at best be equivocal and the club will correctly take the decision that the player's long term health should not be endangered.

    Looking back on it he was out for a lot longer than Brayshaw in a somewhat comparative situation to which you add his time out at the Suns.

    Could be wrong but the player's health has to come first.

    On a related note I simply see no reason to retain AVB if his contract can be voided/paid out. The risk /reward equation just does not stack up.

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    5 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

    Spargo has gone from 18 games 1st year to 8 games in a poor team struggling to fill numbers 2nd year

    Not a trajectory that offers much hope... reminds me of Jimmy Toumpas

    A fair bit of difference i’d say. 

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    10 hours ago, Demons11 said:

    Spargo is in his 2nd year.  He was brilliant last year and had an average year this year, he definitely gets more time.

    its not uncommon for players to have a downer in their second  year.

    Its ridiculous to think you get rid of 18 or 19 yr old kids.  They are not going to come in and dominate. 

     

    Brilliant ummm .... have you been on the turps D11?  He had some moments early and the occasional cameos later on.  At other times he looked out of his depth as you would expect at his stage.

    But your second para is on.  Unless rookies are dominating and leap froging mature or veteran playes ( subject to length of injury list) young players like Spargo, in their first two to three seasons, should be spending the majority of their time downstairs learning/refining their craft and team rules etc.

    Too early to make a call but also shouldn't be getting as many games as he has either until/unless he is kicking the door down.

    Our list does need a much bigger broom than what we've seen so far though if we are to avoid another disaster like this season.

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    On 8/25/2019 at 11:06 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

    10 Outs. 

    Lewis Maynard Walker retired. Delist- Jkh Spargo TSmith Keilty Garlett Wagner-j Vandenburg(medical) 

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    Schoenmakers (free agent) Langdon (swap 1st round 2020 pick) Cutler ((swap 4th round pick) 

    draft. #2 Noah Anderson (if pick #3, Lachlan  Ash) # 21 Elijah Taylor  #39 Miles Bergman #57 Brodie Newman 

    rookies added - Lockhart Dunkley Wagner-c

     

    Add trades of Stretch to Crows for Jenkins and ANB to Power for Amon. Busy off season if we get daring.  Langdon for 2nd round-pick 21 works.  

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    9 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    I have a sinking feeling that KK will be gone.

    My suspicion is that medical advice will at best be equivocal and the club will correctly take the decision that the player's long term health should not be endangered.

    Looking back on it he was out for a lot longer than Brayshaw in a somewhat comparative situation to which you add his time out at the Suns.

    Could be wrong but the player's health has to come first.

    On a related note I simply see no reason to retain AVB if his contract can be voided/paid out. The risk /reward equation just does not stack up.

    Thanks Doctor Jim. 

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    14 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

    Brilliant ummm .... have you been on the turps D11?  He had some moments early and the occasional cameos later on.  At other times he looked out of his depth as you would expect at his stage.

    But your second para is on.  Unless rookies are dominating and leap froging mature or veteran playes ( subject to length of injury list) young players like Spargo, in their first two to three seasons, should be spending the majority of their time downstairs learning/refining their craft and team rules etc.

    Too early to make a call but also shouldn't be getting as many games as he has either until/unless he is kicking the door down.

    Our list does need a much bigger broom than what we've seen so far though if we are to avoid another disaster like this season.

    Ok maybe brilliant was a little over the top but you see my point. 

     

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    10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Add trades of Stretch to Crows for Jenkins and ANB to Power for Amon. Busy off season if we get daring.  Langdon for 2nd round-pick 21 works.  

    Schoenmakers??? No thanks. 

    He is been on the Hawks list for 8 or 9 years, there is no way he cuts it. 

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    4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

    Schoenmakers??? No thanks. 

    He is been on the Hawks list for 8 or 9 years, there is no way he cuts it. 

    The hawks supporters I know, unfortunately quite a few, don't rate him at all. No idea how he has stayed on the hawks list for so long.

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    Not sure where to put this so here is as good as any place.

    Heard King yesterday put big wraps on Sparrow as a mid...

    I don't think he would have seen much if any of him so the wraps must be coming from someone he rates to make that call.

    Hard at it and explosive pace away are King's comments.

    Personally I've been concerned that he didn't get a lot of ball at Casey when playing as a mid.

    Have though he might make it as Jetta's replacement.

    I guess we wait and see.

    I hope King is right on this occasion.

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    23 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    I have a sinking feeling that KK will be gone.

    My suspicion is that medical advice will at best be equivocal and the club will correctly take the decision that the player's long term health should not be endangered.

    Looking back on it he was out for a lot longer than Brayshaw in a somewhat comparative situation to which you add his time out at the Suns.

    Could be wrong but the player's health has to come first.

    On a related note I simply see no reason to retain AVB if his contract can be voided/paid out. The risk /reward equation just does not stack up.

    Interesting, because if that happened, it would mean the club we are probably losing pick 2 to, will have also benefited from the KK deal, again involving us,  in which we basically got nothing in the deal.

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    On 8/31/2019 at 12:17 PM, rjay said:

    No rising star nom???

    He was ok, played a role, obviously a coach favourite...not brilliant.

    Brilliant and Spargo don't go in the same story let alone the same sentence.

    He cannot get in the best five each week at Casey.

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    19 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Add trades of Stretch to Crows for Jenkins and ANB to Power for Amon. Busy off season if we get daring.  Langdon for 2nd round-pick 21 works.  

    Luuuurve this scenario!!

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    We have seen 4 players go and clearly we will have more changes. IMO we have identified a few players who are tradeable and we are keeping them until deals can be done.

    Then again I could be wrong, I remember it happening once.

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    On 8/31/2019 at 12:14 PM, Demons11 said:

    For a 1st year player, he was brilliant.  The kid played the whole second half of the year and was integral to our forward line.  

    The impatience people have on young players is ridiculous. 

    Players need time in system to develop and improve their fitness. It doesn’t happen in 1 or 2 years and if you think it does you are kidding yourself.

    Sorry if this is about Spargo, then it must be a joke. Spargo was gifted games in 2018.  Didn’t get a rising nomination because his games were average.  His final vs Eagles was a sign that he is not up to it.  At his height, like Daniels and Gresham, you need real grunt and skills.  Spargo is a nice player, kicking is horrendous and has no real pace. Imo he should be delisted or traded now. 

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