Jump to content

ignition.

REQUEST: A club-wide review

Recommended Posts

6 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Over and over and over and over again.  Ad infinitum.  Ad nauseam.

Your Native American tribal name would be "Five Horses".   Nag, nag, nag, nag, nag.

That’s not even funny mate. Lift your game please

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I am talking coaches. The Game Style was very similar 

Skills did not improve either sadly, would love to know why

So was i SW!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

So was i SW!

Bailey came to us as a forward, that move wasn’t rocket science. 

Nathan Jones on a wing is far more concerning

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Bailey came to us as a forward, that move wasn’t rocket science. 

Nathan Jones on a wing is far more concerning

Given the year the FD had i beg to differ!

And what's wrong with putting your slowest into areas where you need speed SW?

Surely you appreciated the double with Lewis on the other wing on occasions?

We're a fussy lot at D'land.  Expecting to win...well i never!

Edited by Rusty Nails
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Given the year the FD had i beg to differ!

And what's wrong with putting your slowest into areas where you need speed SW?

Surely you appreciated the double with Lewis on the other wing on occasions?

We're a fussy lot at D'land.  Expecting to win...well i never!

Haha i thought you were serious until the last sentence!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes i ask the same question. 

If you think we improved post the bye round i pity you

Yeah I started asking a footy related question than remembered who I was responding to 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Haha i thought you were serious until the last sentence!!

After this many years of punishment i try hard to see the lighter side where possible SW.  Reckon i would have been committed a few decades ago if i hadn't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

After this many years of punishment i try hard to see the lighter side where possible SW.  Reckon i would have been committed a few decades ago if i hadn't.

Not wrong mate. We have seen it all, and it hasn’t stopped yet

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yeah I started asking a footy related question than remembered who I was responding to 

Pathetic really

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Pathetic really

but true

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Has the club finished its review yet??

Waiting too long for the results could hamper our drafting strategy. Or isn't drafting strategy a part of the review?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rohan Connolly summed us up beautifully in 2013 after Neeld was sacked. I can’t quote him exactly, but he stated that there was a soft underbelly at the club that ensured the club would fall to pieces at the first sign of trouble. 

I am in furious agreement with him on this front. I interpret his take on the club as one where a few injuries, some consecutive losses or an unexpected loss, some amplified negative media coverage, some type of administrative scandal or (in this case) a horrible season causes the whole club ecosystem to collectively throw it’s hands in the air and demand instant gratification for it’s problems. We are a relic of the past in many ways (i.e. our inability to fully embrace the professional era), but we are modern in the sense of reflecting current societal trends in that we cannot abide any form of discomfort and melt down at the first sight of adversity. If you don’t believe me, look at the 2011 season.

As this pertains to the review, I believe that it needs to be solutions based, and not a huge round of navel gazing and finger pointing. The question should not be ‘How do we start again?’ but ‘How do we regain and improve on what we were building from 2014 onwards?’

One thing I am concerned about is that there has been a reshuffle of assistants but what recommendations have been made about Goody’s job? I don’t suggest for a minute he should be sacked, but I remember that Geelong’s 2006 review specifically stated that Bomber Thompson be removed from list management, be made to embrace a different game plan and have Neil Balme as his head of football. This was to allow him to focus on his actual strength of one to one coaching. 

Where has anything like this been indicated in our review? It’s almost been the reverse of what clubs did in the past; have the coach carry the can while everyone else avoided scrutiny. Maybe those assistants did need to be moved on, but for mine it seems a bit too much of a bandaid solution and a fop to those baying for blood.

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Hillary Bray said:

Rohan Connolly summed us up beautifully in 2013 after Neeld was sacked. I can’t quote him exactly, but he stated that there was a soft underbelly at the club that ensured the club would fall to pieces at the first sign of trouble. 

I am in furious agreement with him on this front. I interpret his take on the club as one where a few injuries, some consecutive losses or an unexpected loss, some amplified negative media coverage, some type of administrative scandal or (in this case) a horrible season causes the whole club ecosystem to collectively throw it’s hands in the air and demand instant gratification for it’s problems. We are a relic of the past in many ways (i.e. our inability to fully embrace the professional era), but we are modern in the sense of reflecting current societal trends in that we cannot abide any form of discomfort and melt down at the first sight of adversity. If you don’t believe me, look at the 2011 season.

As this pertains to the review, I believe that it needs to be solutions based, and not a huge round of navel gazing and finger pointing. The question should not be ‘How do we start again?’ but ‘How do we regain and improve on what we were building from 2014 onwards?’

One thing I am concerned about is that there has been a reshuffle of assistants but what recommendations have been made about Goody’s job? I don’t suggest for a minute he should be sacked, but I remember that Geelong’s 2006 review specifically stated that Bomber Thompson be removed from list management, be made to embrace a different game plan and have Neil Balme as his head of football. This was to allow him to focus on his actual strength of one to one coaching. 

Where has anything like this been indicated in our review? It’s almost been the reverse of what clubs did in the past; have the coach carry the can while everyone else avoided scrutiny. Maybe those assistants did need to be moved on, but for mine it seems a bit too much of a bandaid solution and a fop to those baying for blood.

Yes Hillary Agree completely

I guess we will never know what or how the review was done.

I suppose all we can do is wait to see what the on field results are and then we might get some idea of what the review achieved. Soft underbelly mentioned above is a real and present problem.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

but true

Talking about yourself is just sad

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Hillary Bray said:

One thing I am concerned about is that there has been a reshuffle of assistants but what recommendations have been made about Goody’s job? I don’t suggest for a minute he should be sacked, but I remember that Geelong’s 2006 review specifically stated that Bomber Thompson be removed from list management, be made to embrace a different game plan and have Neil Balme as his head of football. This was to allow him to focus on his actual strength of one to one coaching. 

Where has anything like this been indicated in our review? It’s almost been the reverse of what clubs did in the past; have the coach carry the can while everyone else avoided scrutiny. Maybe those assistants did need to be moved on, but for mine it seems a bit too much of a bandaid solution and a fop to those baying for blood.

Overall agree with your observations.

Re the above extract, all the outcomes are yet to be announced.  No inside info, just going on:

- The club flagged there will be lots of changes to our medical/fitness staff.  Guessing this involves Burgess who officially doesn't start for a while but is probably working with the club on changes.

- That Richardson's role has not been disclosed suggests more changes in coaching/football department.

From early last year I've advocated for a Neil Balme experienced type person to manage all areas of the football department.  Notwithstanding some things he does well, I've had serious reservations about Mahoney as the GM Football because our current problems have happened on his watch with his signing off on decisions made in the various football departments over the last 3-4 years.

I'm looking forward to all the changes happening as then we can make a more informed assessment.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Look at 3 of the top teams in the comp at the moment. Richmond, West Coast and Brisbane all set up with 3 talls (Bold = 2nd ruckman

Bris: McInearny, McStay, Hipwood

Rich: Reiwoldt, Lynch, Chol

WC: Darling, Kennedy, Allen

 

I think next season McDonald, Weideman and Petty should make up our forward line unless we recruit another tall 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Crows getting Dunstall in to do an external review is a great idea. I forgot that it was Dunstall who did the overhaul at Hawthorn and he appointed Clarko.

The Dees could do no harm bringing him in to do something for us if things don’t improve next year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure if anyone else watched Open Mike last night, but they had Ray McLean on who founded leading teams.

Interestingly, Geelong went through a big shake up at the end of 2006 facilitated by leading teams which led to their stellar 2007 season. 

Some of their work with Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong speaks volumes considering they’ve been the 3 most successful clubs over the last 15 years.

I know Roosy had them doing work for us as late as 2016 (his final year as coach) but I can’t see if there’s been any more involvement since Goody took over.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not sure if anyone else watched Open Mike last night, but they had Ray McLean on who founded leading teams.

Interestingly, Geelong went through a big shake up at the end of 2006 facilitated by leading teams which led to their stellar 2007 season. 

Some of their work with Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong speaks volumes considering they’ve been the 3 most successful clubs over the last 15 years.

I know Roosy had them doing work for us as late as 2016 (his final year as coach) but I can’t see if there’s been any more involvement since Goody took over.

From memory, a lot of teams have used Leading Teams in the past. Some have worked, such as Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney, but while they were a contributing factor, they weren't the defining factor. While, for others, it has clearly not worked. Leading Teams has a success rate of about 50%, so I wouldn't think bringing them back would be much help.

I don't blame Ray for pumping up his business' tyres during an interview, but to say that what they did was one of the reasons that Geelong went on to win in 2007 is a bit of an exaggeration.

Edited by AshleyH30

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 8/27/2019 at 3:33 PM, don't make me angry said:

This is pointless post, forget about the camp has nothing to do with anything anymore, and what do u think should happen force everyone to go on this pointless camp which is for soldiers, it a easy thing to point to without actually 

Maybe... but I look at what successful teams do...take Melbourne Storm and this camp. We are a mentally fragile team, anything we can do address this, we must do, even if its managing the optics of looking weak by  ot going to this camp.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/28/2019 at 2:51 PM, beelzebub said:

A full review simply is that. The result  is you then have a better image of everything.  It may be Goody goes...it might be stays and others go...or a number of permutations. 

Those who are open to this..a full review make no preconditions  for it. 

A review is just that...a review.

I think we need a review to determine what sort of review we need. Bring in Gary Lyon to lead it. History shows he's the go to man

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/4/2019 at 9:42 AM, chook fowler said:

i think we should appoint Guru Bob from the Temple.

 

18 hours ago, CYB said:

Maybe... but I look at what successful teams do...take Melbourne Storm and this camp. We are a mentally fragile team, anything we can do address this, we must do, even if its managing the optics of looking weak by  ot going to this camp.

Your humour is possibly a meaningful response.

A review which focuses on the obvious disconnections mentioned by the coach countless times are the most significant.

Theplayers and coaches were all progressing then in WA at prelim all fell apart.

Maybe they all got a bit serious and forgot about the freedom that lightheartedness gives.

I reckon the problems are in the head and need to be addressed as much as physical conditioning and game plans.

Identifying players emotional traits can identify their responses to circumstance. Combining the right balance of motion and physical and communicating that structure is an important part of the coach/es connecting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Roos said regarding the Crows review.....if you need an external people doing a review of your club, you have the wrong people in charge & they should resign! Thats why the CEO, President & board are there for!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/4/2019 at 9:34 AM, AshleyH30 said:

From memory, a lot of teams have used Leading Teams in the past. Some have worked, such as Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney, but while they were a contributing factor, they weren't the defining factor. While, for others, it has clearly not worked. Leading Teams has a success rate of about 50%, so I wouldn't think bringing them back would be much help.

I don't blame Ray for pumping up his business' tyres during an interview, but to say that what they did was one of the reasons that Geelong went on to win in 2007 is a bit of an exaggeration.

I am also lead to believe that Mick Malthouse was anti leading teams during his Collingwood days. I am sure it works for others and some it doesn't.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COOKED by The Oracle

    I can vividly remember when the Demons ventured onto Blundstone Arena for the first time in early 2016 only to lose to the Kangaroos by 20.11.131 to 21.10.136.    Melbourne was then a team on the up and up: young, enthusiastic and bold. It gave up a huge quarter time deficit after kicking against a strong wind but made that up by half time and fell dramatically short after an exciting high scoring affair.  The team lost no fans that day - they were willing to take the game on and attac

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    HELP by KC rom Casey

    The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time. While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the rem

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE RETRO ROUND by George on the Outer

    We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football.  Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year.  Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no ex

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Thanks to Demonlanders for their input into this week’s preview. Ralphius Maximus is short and bittersweet: We'll crack in at the bounce to create a contest, win our share of the ball, butcher the forward movement and get scored on easily from the intercepts. Not that hard to predict. Big Demon says: Unfortunately Collingwood will win because they have a lot more to play for. We will be good in parts but really the season is well over so we will have to put up with those bell

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHAT, NO BLOOD? by George on the Outer

    The feeling when turning up to the MCG on a Saturday night to play a top four side in Richmond, while the Melbourne sits cemented in close proximity to the bottom of the table is like attending the Colosseum in Ancient Roman times. The expectation is that a bloodbath is about to occur. There are 100,000 Richmond members and 50,000 Melbourne members, and despite the fact that it turned out to be a wet night after half-time, a crowd of only 37K bothered to turn up. That should never have happ

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    A MAN’S ERRAND by KC from Casey

    A young and undermanned Casey Demons were sent out on Saturday to the Swinburne Centre in the shadows of the MCG on a man’s errand against a very experienced Richmond VFL combination which is the clear ladder leader and fielded no less than 18 AFL listed players. It was expected to be a rout and the Tigers made easy work of it in the early stages when they held a 26 point lead by quarter time. To their credit however, the Demons weathered the storm and kept their opponents within the range

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

×
×
  • Create New...