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18 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

because people within the industry who deal with him think highly of him, he's played a huge role in retaining all the good young players we wanted to keep, and getting them on long term deals

So his a good bloke to people in the industry and signs players like Preuss to 4 years or Vandenberg to 3 years? 

Any GM can get players on long term contracts because it’s what the player managers push for.

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[censored] hell. Mahoney simply cannot win with some of you lot. You blokes kick and squeal for changes to be made and yet Mahoney and co go and snag Burgess and Alan Richardson and its still not

Fair dinkum some people struggle. I have Olisik on ignore, for obvious reason. Sorry kids you go on ignore. Normally I only put people on ignore because of troll like behaviour or repeated offens

Roos and PJ spoke very highly of him. That’s good enough for me. 

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15 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

And he would have played a vital role in getting Darren Burgess to the club. If I had to guess, I don’t think @olisik knows what the role of GM - Football Manager encompasses.

After having Misson for how many years? A broken clock is still right twice a day. Can’t believe people are backing this guy where we are at.  His the only person at the club probably remaining since 186.

That said it seems his role now encompasses leading reviews on himself and his mates.

This guy is master at dodging scrutiny and is getting an armchair ride to the top despite mediocre performance. We all have one of those in our workplace

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5 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

because people within the industry who deal with him think highly of him, he's played a huge role in retaining all the good young players we wanted to keep, and getting them on long term deals

It is very easy to retain players if you overpay them. And clearly they are overpaid when you consider our lack of success over the last few years and we are so tight on salary cap we are never in conversation for Shiels, Kelly & Coniglio etc  

The guy managing the Pies & Tigers salary caps are doing a great job, please don’t tell me the guy managing our TPP is doing a good job  

 

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11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The AGM could end up like the Dallas Brooks Hall in 1996

We need an EXTERNAL REVIEW of The Football Department. Simple.

If it aint done Membership is not renewed. 

See you later then by by.....

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8 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

And he would have played a vital role in getting Darren Burgess to the club. I’m not entirely sure  @olisik knows what the role of GM - Football Manager encompasses.

I hope we do not keep building Burgess up into something he isn't. that is some sort of guru better than all the other AFL fitness blokes. He should be a massive improvement on Mission but an AFL guru he aint. A couple of stints with Adelaide brought no success, not that I am saying lack of success is he fault. So it made a good news grab with the Arsenal connection and so on but if Mahoney played a role in getting him all he did was get an AFL standard fitness coach. 

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44 minutes ago, Siren said:

Pretty sure Pert mentioned in the Inside Melbourne pod that Mahoney is moving into more of a CEO role at Casey next year. Another strategic movement to further his career but also some fresh air at MFC

I’ll need to give that a listen. So does that mean we’re getting a new Footy GM?

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1 hour ago, Siren said:

Pretty sure Pert mentioned in the Inside Melbourne pod that Mahoney is moving into more of a CEO role at Casey next year. Another strategic movement to further his career but also some fresh air at MFC

His role already encompasses Casey.

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10 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

i am of the opinion the external review will also occur at the same time, but ultimately if we don't improve next season, he and Goodwin will be under serious pressure to retain their positions. this is playing out so they get things exactly how they want them, if it doesn't work it falls directly on them.

Benefit of the doubt till this period, but surely if things dont improve after this internal review, Mahoney is looking for a new job. 

You couldn't possibly survive after another failed season.

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2 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Benefit of the doubt till this period, but surely if things dont improve after this internal review, Mahoney is looking for a new job. 

You couldn't possibly survive after another failed season.

I agree, i think it's being put back on Mahoney and Goodwin though, get it right now, or changes will be made. i firmly believe we will also have an external review going on that will include Mahoneys position.

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1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I agree, i think it's being put back on Mahoney and Goodwin though, get it right now, or changes will be made. i firmly believe we will also have an external review going on that will include Mahoneys position.

Correct weight.

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I want to know how this guy has not only avoided scrutiny but also been given an armchair ride from the coach who threw Watts on during Queens Bday to get massacred through to CEO without any prior experience.

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So, what you're saying is, he's been through the Bailey era and the Schwab continuous crisis, the tanking investigation, the appointment, failure and dismissal of Neeld, the selection of Roos and the process of Roos hand-picking his own coaching group, the transition to Goodwin and this year's mid-season purge, served under the boards of Stynes, McLardy, Bartlett and Pert,

... and yet he's never been subject to any real scrutiny.

I'm impressed.

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7 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

So, what you're saying is, he's been through the Bailey era and the Schwab continuous crisis, the tanking investigation, the appointment, failure and dismissal of Neeld, the selection of Roos and the process of Roos hand-picking his own coaching group, the transition to Goodwin and this year's mid-season purge, served under the boards of Stynes, McLardy, Bartlett and Pert,

... and yet he's never been subject to any real scrutiny.

I'm impressed.

Yep. And he was a coach during 186

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13 minutes ago, olisik said:

I want to know how this guy has not only avoided scrutiny but also been given an armchair ride from the coach who threw Watts on during Queens Bday to get massacred through to CEO without any prior experience.

Do you mean armchair ride for the coach?

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You do realise he was appointed to his current position by Jackson?
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Just an observation

But wouldn't he failure of Goodwin and Mahoney effectively be a failure by Roos and Jackson?

Both appointed by the latter then walked away.... Legacy gone?

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22 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Just an observation

But wouldn't he failure of Goodwin and Mahoney effectively be a failure by Roos and Jackson?

Both appointed by the latter then walked away.... Legacy gone?

Yep. For all the good they did, they both left too soon. Even they would've known that 3/4 years is not nearly enough to properly impact cultural change.

Both needed to stay for at least twice as long.

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The Club is actually OK. Anyone who can read and understand business matters can see that since the PJ, Bartlett and Roos appointments the MFC has been on a gradual and steady increase, everywhere from Membership to Sponsorship.

Like Geelong did in 2006 and Richmond repeatedly in 2012-2016, we have had an under-performing shocker of a season, but only in relation to the actual football being played. I am basically really pleased with the club. My seething disappointment and disillusionment is focused solely on the lack of game-day intensity from a very good senior list. 

Mahoney has been a very stable hub around which a lot of things have changed, and I give him and the club credit for that. But there is something not right within the Football Department, Coaching and Playing ranks. Is it confidence, is it a breakdown in internal relationships, is it poor leadership... what is it? A full review must take place, and again, from a business perspective, Mahoney cannot review his own department given the context of the 2019 season. But let's not highlight him within this football mess when the review hasn't got any legs yet. 

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GET a South Australian removalist truck next week and take the whole lot back to Adelaide including SA players

They can renew aquaintences with Jimmy Toumpas

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6 hours ago, Siren said:

Pretty sure Pert mentioned in the Inside Melbourne pod that Mahoney is moving into more of a CEO role at Casey next year. Another strategic movement to further his career but also some fresh air at MFC

Perhaps acknowledgement he is VFL standard?

He must take ultimate responsibility for this year's [censored]

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11 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Perhaps acknowledgement he is VFL standard?

He must take ultimate responsibility for this year's $h!ts&ow

Just how he took responsibility for being a coach of 186 by getting promoted?

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Richmond and Geelong both resembled finals teams at points during those season. Geelong never looked terrible, they were just mid range and under performed. Richmond won 8 games but lost a few games by 80 points hence the sub-80% percentage.

We have been the only team this year that has been consistently average and below AFL standard. GC started okay and won a few games. We have been terrible all season.

2019 is not our 2006 Geelong or 2016 Richmond equivalent. It is our 2014 Melbourne equivalent. 

We have a gauge of where we are at and a clean out and rebuild is necessary. Goodwin unfortunately doesn't have the benefit of time. Unless he and the club find a mutual ground and admit that they have completely [censored] up player management, depth, and expectations, in which case he may last his contract. But good luck explaining that to members. They stayed neutral, expecting continuous linear improvement to occur with minimal influence.

I've never seen a more angered membership base. You have major stakeholders now that were in their mid-to-late teens in in the late 2000s who are now professionals and are just sick of this crap. I intend to attend the AGM and I want detailed responses to clear questions. I don't want PR fluff or corporate jargon. I am a paying stakeholder and I want details.

Hardwick was questioned after 2016 and so was Thompson after 2006. But they were coaching doubts. There are major concerns about the football department and club here that reflect yet another restructing. 

People on this forum continue to blindly expect things to be rosy again. It's a subtle acceptance of this year's mediocrity.

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