It would be an unmitigated disaster for the club to sack Goodwin at this stage. This time next year if we are at the same level, then action should be considered. Of course if our season is anything like as bad as this one, he will go a lot sooner, as media and supporters will be relentless in their demand for it. 

Just remember our recent history with the strategy of sacking coaches. Let’s not go back there.

Goodwin’s appointment was a slow and carefully considered one, there was no time pressure. He then served a 3 year apprenticeship under guru Roos. We narrowly missed the 8 in 2017 and made a prelim last year. This year has been a disaster and I’m hating it as much as anyone, but sacking Goodwin is not the answer.

he deserves time and an investment of top level support around him.

last think, so many criticise his lack of emotion in press conferences. He is a self declared calm person. I would think that is a great attribute to have when the heat is on in the coaches box. Being calm doesn’t mean you don’t care. 

Goodwins appointment was also because Dew didn’t come, he was second choice.

26 minutes ago, KLV said:

It would be an unmitigated disaster for the club to sack Goodwin at this stage. This time next year if we are at the same level, then action should be considered. Of course if our season is anything like as bad as this one, he will go a lot sooner, as media and supporters will be relentless in their demand for it. 

Just remember our recent history with the strategy of sacking coaches. Let’s not go back there.

Goodwin’s appointment was a slow and carefully considered one, there was no time pressure. He then served a 3 year apprenticeship under guru Roos. We narrowly missed the 8 in 2017 and made a prelim last year. This year has been a disaster and I’m hating it as much as anyone, but sacking Goodwin is not the answer.

he deserves time and an investment of top level support around him.

last think, so many criticise his lack of emotion in press conferences. He is a self declared calm person. I would think that is a great attribute to have when the heat is on in the coaches box. Being calm doesn’t mean you don’t care. 

strangely sensible contribution - sure you're on the right site?

13 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Goodwins appointment was also because Dew didn’t come, he was second choice.

3rd. we wanted Adam Simpson before he took the Eagles job, or so i've been told. 

10 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

3rd. we wanted Adam Simpson before he took the Eagles job, or so i've been told. 

He was appointed as Eagles senior coach the same year as Roos was to us. 

Edited July 29, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

39 minutes ago, KLV said:

It would be an unmitigated disaster for the club to sack Goodwin at this stage. This time next year if we are at the same level, then action should be considered. Of course if our season is anything like as bad as this one, he will go a lot sooner, as media and supporters will be relentless in their demand for it. 

Just remember our recent history with the strategy of sacking coaches. Let’s not go back there.

Goodwin’s appointment was a slow and carefully considered one, there was no time pressure. He then served a 3 year apprenticeship under guru Roos. We narrowly missed the 8 in 2017 and made a prelim last year. This year has been a disaster and I’m hating it as much as anyone, but sacking Goodwin is not the answer.

he deserves time and an investment of top level support around him.

last think, so many criticise his lack of emotion in press conferences. He is a self declared calm person. I would think that is a great attribute to have when the heat is on in the coaches box. Being calm doesn’t mean you don’t care. 

If only it was a slow and considered task to sign Goody. I realty it was quite the opposite. Rushed and hasty and decided by Roos on the basis of one lounge room chat with two of Goodys SA along for the ride. That is a matter of fact.

Our press is far too high. That's reason 1..100 of why we're terrible this year. Reason 101 is that we don't know how to slow the game down when we have to.

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He was appointed the same year as Roos was to us. 

Ah heard wrong perhaps. apologies

3 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Ah heard wrong perhaps. apologies

All good, it doesn’t mean we didn’t enquire. He may have been out of contract around the same time we were looking at Roos successor. Although that probably doesn’t tie in with the way they were planning the succession plan. 

Edited July 29, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

All good, it doesn’t mean we didn’t enquire. He may have been out of contract around the same time we were looking at Roos successor. 

Now that i think about it i think what i heard was the club was warming to the idea of Eade/Simpson if Roos didn't sign 

1 minute ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Now that i think about it i think what i heard was the club was warming to the idea of Eade/Simpson if Roos didn't sign 

Makes more sense. 

3 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

Our problems have been evident since 2017. Plenty of possession, plenty of forward entries, rock all reward. Back then it was the better defences who shut us down; now that everyone has had a look at us, all the sides are shutting us down. It's easy. Zone up across our back-to-forward running lanes and because we get too many players behind the ball, we have too few players to take the ball from half back to half forward. The problem is compounded by having appalling disposal, and forwards who cannot find space.

The wonder of the season is the number of times we have played dreadful footy, but still stayed close. It's for that reason I give Goodwin a year's grace. If we can somehow find some polish, fitness, cohesion, and above all, confidence, next year, we'll have a good year.

Rubbish. 

Teams have not worked out how to stop our forward entries in so many game we win the forward 50 entires. At times out midfield has transitioned well. We are simply our own worst enemy. We had the saints at our mercy in the first quarter but squandered a great start with atrocious delivery, unforced mistakes one after the other. Just unable to execute the basics in footy a  local footballer can do. 

We are devoid of confidence and skill. It’s palpable and appears irreversible. I’m convinced now it’s the club. It goes beyond personnel. I’ve never really not wanted to follow the dees but I’m now at that point. We have a disease and it feels terminal. 

Edited July 29, 20195 yr by Bay Riffin

3 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Your on the right track a little Paul but IMO the FD may be trying to hard to find a solution at the minute

With regard to the players and many throughout the history of the game are guilty of this, you think you're working hard enough and giving it everything until you actually realise later you had another level you could get to.

Happened to Ablett, Swan, Priddis and Tom Mitchell, some players never get that moment 

I think you might be right here Pennant. It’s quite common for less experienced coaches to overcoach when under pressure rather than to maintain the norm.

interestingly when a coach gets the sack, it’s very common that the players report the new coach (fill in coach) encourages them to play with freedom and use their natural instincts. These are the very 2 things that suffer if your overcoaching.

I have a theory about our demise this year, and it all revolves around “confidence” ( and a little about injury)

Our game plan revolves around “attack”, but we simply do not or can not set up defensively behind the ball when we take it forward. Our attacking players now have the added pressure of knowing that if they miss a target, no one is set up defensively behind them, and it’s most likely the opposition will freely rebound and score a goal. Instead of feeling confident someone has their back, they are simply facing a life and death situation every time they dispose of the ball. In short they sh it themselves and boy does it show.

When Roos came to the club his game plan was based on defence. And he slowly taught us how to attack only once we knew how to defend. I think our game plan has put aside the defensive skills (behind the ball) in preference for all out attack - which can only work if we hit our targets.

My solution for the rest of the year would be to concentrate on defensive set ups behind the ball, and therefore provide the player forcing an attacking play with the confidence that if he does miss a target , it ain’t gonna be the end of the world. 

No team of afl standard footballers displays the abysmal skills that our team has displayed this year - not without a valid reason. Our players are not unskillful - they are simply displaying those traits. I think that is due to a lack of confidence, due to defensive faults in our game plan.

For what it’s worth.

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7 hours ago, DeeZee said:

Just not working hard enough to provide options to those under pressure, therefore seeing too many turnovers.

Its also vice versa where we are not putting enough pressure on the opposition.

A lot of it comes down to work rate to create space.

That’s a worry DeeZee, that description typified the Neeld era. Players not presenting to the ball carrier when we had possession (however occasionally) and in reverse players protecting space rather than attacking the opposition ball carrier when it was coming back. Did we ever work out what that period was about? The players had zero confidence, were afraid to make mistakes and seemed totally confused by Neeld’s game plan. Have we arrived here again, albeit with a much more talented squad? 

7 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I have a theory about our demise this year, and it all revolves around “confidence” ( and a little about injury)

Our game plan revolves around “attack”, but we simply do not or can not set up defensively behind the ball when we take it forward. Our attacking players now have the added pressure of knowing that if they miss a target, no one is set up defensively behind them, and it’s most likely the opposition will freely rebound and score a goal. Instead of feeling confident someone has their back, they are simply facing a life and death situation every time they dispose of the ball. In short they sh it themselves and boy does it show.

When Roos came to the club his game plan was based on defence. And he slowly taught us how to attack only once we knew how to defend. I think our game plan has put aside the defensive skills (behind the ball) in preference for all out attack - which can only work if we hit our targets.

My solution for the rest of the year would be to concentrate on defensive set ups behind the ball, and therefore provide the player forcing an attacking play with the confidence that if he does miss a target , it ain’t gonna be the end of the world. 

No team of afl standard footballers displays the abysmal skills that our team has displayed this year - not without a valid reason. Our players are not unskillful - they are simply displaying those traits. I think that is due to a lack of confidence, due to defensive faults in our game plan.

For what it’s worth.

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Brilliant post. 

11 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I have a theory about our demise this year, and it all revolves around “confidence” ( and a little about injury)

Our game plan revolves around “attack”, but we simply do not or can not set up defensively behind the ball when we take it forward. Our attacking players now have the added pressure of knowing that if they miss a target, no one is set up defensively behind them, and it’s most likely the opposition will freely rebound and score a goal. Instead of feeling confident someone has their back, they are simply facing a life and death situation every time they dispose of the ball. In short they sh it themselves and boy does it show.

When Roos came to the club his game plan was based on defence. And he slowly taught us how to attack only once we knew how to defend. I think our game plan has put aside the defensive skills (behind the ball) in preference for all out attack - which can only work if we hit our targets.

My solution for the rest of the year would be to concentrate on defensive set ups behind the ball, and therefore provide the player forcing an attacking play with the confidence that if he does miss a target , it ain’t gonna be the end of the world. 

No team of afl standard footballers displays the abysmal skills that our team has displayed this year - not without a valid reason. Our players are not unskillful - they are simply displaying those traits. I think that is due to a lack of confidence, due to defensive faults in our game plan.

For what it’s worth.

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Great Post NC

What you are saying all comes back to not being fit enough and prepared 

Has Misson been in 3rd Gear this year compared to other clubs??

would only take a slight drop...

This coming preseason has to be a huge one..

1 hour ago, KLV said:

Being calm doesn’t mean you don’t care. 

It does on Demonland.

9 hours ago, Dee Watcher said:

The players remain the same but have no confidence and the team structures haven't held up at all.

We get scored on the same way every week, 666 has been a death knell to set up, teams getting over the back, lack of pressure and so on is clearly coaching!

Skill execution is a player problem but in part come back to player development.

 

 

Every other coach including the top teams have dealt with the 666.. if Goodwin hasn’t he should sacked...pure & simple the game evolves & coaches need to adapt. Roos implemented to work both ways ... what’s happened to that foundation???

Edited July 29, 20195 yr by Demonsone

17 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Every other coach including the top teams have dealt with the 666.. if Goodwin hasn’t he should sacked...pure & simple the game evolves & coaches need to adapt. Roos implemented to work both ways ... what’s happened to that foundation???

Can you explain how you think the 666 rule has impacted how AFL.is being played?

2 hours ago, SFebes said:

Goodwins appointment was also because Dew didn’t come, he was second choice.

Look at GCS. Would you rather Dew?

11 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Look at GCS. Would you rather Dew?

I haven’t seen too many of their games mate but I actually think he’s done pretty well with what he’s got on hand? They started the season well from memory

9 hours ago, dimmy said:

Solutions : OMac to CHF

If that's the answer I'm terrified of the question.

Meanwhile it's good to see King finally coming around to the MFC supporting experience two years after his famous "Melbourne fans, stop worrying, what could go wrong?" article.

9 hours ago, dimmy said:

It is obvious, what is wrong..   Skills and Connectivity = 13 goals scored via turnovers.

Fixable ......Yes , by getting ball out before opposition line up

When....... Soon Hopefully

Solutions : OMac to CHF Pretty to CHB, Clarrie to Outside MId:  Gus, Harmesy in MId, JV to Small Fwd

Shifting the deckchairs on the Titanic

 

2 hours ago, KLV said:

It would be an unmitigated disaster for the club to sack Goodwin at this stage. This time next year if we are at the same level, then action should be considered. Of course if our season is anything like as bad as this one, he will go a lot sooner, as media and supporters will be relentless in their demand for it. 

Just remember our recent history with the strategy of sacking coaches. Let’s not go back there.

Goodwin’s appointment was a slow and carefully considered one, there was no time pressure. He then served a 3 year apprenticeship under guru Roos. We narrowly missed the 8 in 2017 and made a prelim last year. This year has been a disaster and I’m hating it as much as anyone, but sacking Goodwin is not the answer.

he deserves time and an investment of top level support around him.

last think, so many criticise his lack of emotion in press conferences. He is a self declared calm person. I would think that is a great attribute to have when the heat is on in the coaches box. Being calm doesn’t mean you don’t care. 

Great post. I have been pretty supportive of the club and our coaches and while this year has been an on field disaster I'm still confident this year is an abberation. This said if we're in the same position again next year heading into the bye then Goodwin will have a tough time keeping his job.

I reckon we will see some significant changes in the Footy Department at the end of season along with players.