Did Brown cop a fine for staging earlier on in the season vs Adelaide? If he didn’t, no player will ever receive a fine again for staging. 

Edited June 24, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

  On 24/06/2019 at 09:02, Tim said:

Also throw in the Trac (he “threw himself in”  over the boundary line in front of the Members Stand)....

Saw that too.

Trac's dive was embarrassing and worse than anything Walters did imo

hopefully Goody has a strong word

Despite what Gil might try to intellectualize, the AFL is truly an amateur outfit - a wonderful sport (Australian Football), run by complete and utter amateurs - at every level. 

  On 24/06/2019 at 10:03, Salems Lot said:

I asked the question on another thread so if anyone can help I would appreciate it.

When Jones caused the reversal of Viney's free kick, why did they also get a 50m penalty too.  The same thing happened at Casey yesterday and it does not make sense.

After the free Jones gave away, the TV commentator (Roos) said "and 50!", to which Gerard Healey mumbled something about it coming from the goal square. I thought he meant that something else happened in the square just after Jones' free. Not sure though. Healey is such a dull commentator, he's hard to understand.

Edit. Now I think Healey meant that it's an automatic 50 when it's a point kick in and there's a indiscretion off the ball inside the forward 50. That's my reading.

Edited June 24, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

  On 24/06/2019 at 09:02, Tim said:

Also throw in the Trac (he “threw himself in”  over the boundary line in front of the Members Stand)....

He sure did, but only because holding the man has become legalised by bad umpires. The game would open up and more goals would be scored if players couldn't lock on to their opponents any time the ball was in dispute. I wouldn't want Trac going the big dive but I thought the handball out in front tactic was worth a go when he found himself in a bit of a pickle.

  On 24/06/2019 at 09:02, Tim said:

Also throw in the Trac (he “threw himself in”  over the boundary line in front of the Members Stand)....

I thought it was hilarious. He was being held but played it up in such an awkwardly absurd way with the delayed reaction.

  On 24/06/2019 at 10:50, DubDee said:

Saw that too.

Trac's dive was embarrassing and worse than anything Walters did imo

hopefully Goody has a strong word

He has no history of it, strong word not necessary.

Edited June 24, 20195 yr by John Demonic

  On 24/06/2019 at 11:33, Moonshadow said:

After the free Jones gave away, the TV commentator (Roos) said "and 50!", to which Gerard Healey mumbled something about it coming from the goal square. I thought he meant that something else happened in the square just after Jones' free. Not sure though. Healey is such a dull commentator, he's hard to understand.

Edit. Now I think Healey meant that it's an automatic 50 when it's a point kick in and there's a indiscretion off the ball inside the forward 50. That's my reading.

Is that another new rule that few if any have heard of?

  On 24/06/2019 at 11:33, Moonshadow said:

After the free Jones gave away, the TV commentator (Roos) said "and 50!", to which Gerard Healey mumbled something about it coming from the goal square. I thought he meant that something else happened in the square just after Jones' free. Not sure though. Healey is such a dull commentator, he's hard to understand.

Edit. Now I think Healey meant that it's an automatic 50 when it's a point kick in and there's a indiscretion off the ball inside the forward 50. That's my reading.

the jones reversal cost us 150m and it's just crazy and not right,

lost 50m free to us, 50m free to freo plus 50m penalty  = 150m or 3 kicks in effect

a ball-up (i.e. one cancelling the other) would make more common sense

and who ever heard of an automatic 50 just in one section of the field in one certain play? more afl interference, if true. ...... and it wasn't an indiscretion during a kick-in, that was the walter's one, this was well after the kick-in, but it seems the umpire can't work that out for himself

  On 24/06/2019 at 11:59, daisycutter said:

the jones reversal cost us 150m and it's just crazy and not right,

lost 50m free to us, 50m free to freo plus 50m penalty  = 150m or 3 kicks in effect

a ball-up (i.e. one cancelling the other) would make more common sense

and who ever heard of an automatic 50 just in one section of the field in one certain play? more afl interference, if true. ...... and it wasn't an indiscretion during a kick-in, that was the walter's one, this was well after the kick-in, but it seems the umpire can't work that out for himself

The ball was with Freo in our goal square

Edited June 24, 20195 yr by Moonshadow

I have a different slant on players from opposition teams being quite often given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to penalties being incurred during games against us. I think that the MFC is on the receiving end of a well orchestrated, "try it against this mob because you can probably get away with it........they are hated by Umpires, so stretch it to the limit" . Would i go so far as to say that it comes from within the Clubs or on field, anyone's guess, but i put it out there anyway.  

  On 24/06/2019 at 10:36, monoccular said:

That moron Christian will justify anything he is told to from above.  Can't have important Freo players out too long, and after all it was only a MFC player he butted.

Hold the phone. You can't allow Walters to be suspended this year. Not on a trumped up head butting charge. He was in with a chance of winning the Brownlow for goodness sakes. The AFL has dropped the ball on this one.

  On 24/06/2019 at 12:04, Moonshadow said:

The ball was with Freo in our goal square

ok, wasn't clear on that,  but after the free was awarded to us, so kick-in now negated and 2nd infringement was then after and a separate event. does this mean that we would have got the free and a 50m (i'm confused over crazy rules), if so this means the penalty was 200m (50m + kick to us, 50m + kick to them). seems way, way over the top

how often do you see someone penalised for a cheap head knock get some treatment and the umpires ignore the treatment?  what was worse, the head butt or the retaliatory hip and shoulder?  the proportionality doesn't stack up.

anway it really pizzes me off, in case you couldn't tell 

  On 24/06/2019 at 09:01, Call Me What You Will said:

I note also that Jadyn Hunt and a Freo bloke got pinged for wrestling - I’m assuming that it was the one on the southern wing boundary line. Whilst Jadyn was clearly milking the “tangle” of legs, the Freo bloke unashamedly dropped the knees into Hunt’s head - right in front of the adjudicating clown. No mention of this any where in the MRP comments. No thought of a free kick reversal there! Just another example of the double standards. 

was amazed at that. how the umpire didn't play a 50m against Hunt who might as well be bear hugging him to stop him retrieving the ball is beyond me.

I thought his 'collapse' looked far more convincing than some of the 'falls' Oliver has taken.

Edited June 25, 20195 yr by Supermercado

  On 24/06/2019 at 08:18, Nelo said:

 Staging is equal to cheating. 

And was meant to carry a penalty off the ground.

  On 24/06/2019 at 12:04, Moonshadow said:

The ball was with Freo in our goal square

Then it is a reversal where the incident happened and the 50 was wrong, like many of the decisions in that game.

  On 25/06/2019 at 01:42, Redleg said:

Then it is a reversal where the incident happened and the 50 was wrong, like many of the decisions in that game.

so if jones hadn't intervened would lockhart have taken his kick in the goal square where the ball was????

Freo officially challenging the 1 match ban at the tribunal.

 

toss a coin for result 

  On 25/06/2019 at 02:28, Lord Nev said:

Freo officially challenging the 1 match ban at the tribunal.

Yep.

He'll get off.

  On 25/06/2019 at 04:12, Demonland said:

Yep.

He'll get off.

Yeah. you're probably right there, seems to be the way.

I hope not. Love him as a player, but I just hate cheap shot off the ball things, even if they're 'low impact'.

 

  On 25/06/2019 at 01:38, Supermercado said:

I thought his 'collapse' looked far more convincing than some of the 'falls' Oliver has taken.

Do you mean in terms of acting ability, or more genuine?   

  On 25/06/2019 at 02:27, daisycutter said:

so if jones hadn't intervened would lockhart have taken his kick in the goal square where the ball was????

Should but not necessarily would is the answer to your question.

  On 24/06/2019 at 08:15, Cranky Franky said:

Really disappointed in this bloke & good to see he got a week for headbutting.  He used to be one of my favourite non MFC players because of his fearless attack on the ball & unselfish play.

Saturday changed that - he was acting up for frees & milking it shamelessly.  He was tackled legitimately but went down like he was shot & got paid a free for over the shoulder, later on he again got tackled fairly by Petty I think & milked it again & sucked the umpire in for another free.  Spectators at the ground picked it up & he was then booed the next few times he went near the pill.  Really poor umpiring. 

It is almost time that 'stagers' were penalised for some form of dishonesty. It is evident when it occurs, own Team or opposition. Ducking the head and rolling up the arm to get a hand around the neck - and then the performance (a la Selwood and Dangermouse) - is almost ruining key elements of the game. There are other such pretences and the outcomes of these types of dishonest attempts to milk a 'free' are too costly to the game for these to continue. Brown, at Norf, is another suspect. 

  On 25/06/2019 at 04:12, Demonland said:

Yep.

He'll get off.

Had Jones not accosted him he may have a question to answer. As it was a rough and largely unnecessary act by Jones, those who deign on high will feel sorry for the poor little creature despite the whole crowed directly observing the headbutt. Sometimes one must wonder about the morality of the game exhibited by those who are in positions that should know better. 

Can the penalty be increased if the appeal is (rightly) dismissed?