1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Hardwick has a great feel for his players. But his coaching career changed dramatically when Balme - a failed coach - gave him great support.

Now There is a tangent I'd follow; does a senior coach really only need to be smart enough to understand (and humble/practical enough to actually listen to) the collection of other smart people around him?

Mind you, there was also once upon a time a sci-fi novel which featured an entire species which had been selectively bred for good luck. Some kind of lottery process, and over a few thousand generations it produced real results. Maybe we need some of that. (some would say, it wont be any slower than our current progress to our next flag, ha ha ha uhhh)

4 minutes ago, Rocknroll said:

Think you might find worsfold at number 11 got a couple of flags in the bank

True but I only included data from 2011.

Pathetic thread, Hysterical supporters of a football club trying to gauge a coach's IQ.

3 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Pathetic thread, Hysterical supporters of a football club trying to gauge a coach's IQ.

You have a go then Drysdale. Let’s see your rankings from 1 - 16. 

1 minute ago, Matsuo Basho said:

You have a go then Drysdale. Let’s see your rankings from 1 - 16. 

As I said it is a pathetic thread

Like the way Damian always defers to Mrs. Hardwick, so in my view he is a smart man!

10 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Having listened to all 18 coaches speak or give interviews on multiple occasions it has struck me that some are obviously blessed with greater oratory skills and depth and breadth of intelligence than others. I’m not talking about mere footy industry lingo intelligence (which is a given) but real world intelligence and an ability to really engage and surprise in the way they communicate. Whether through humour, anecdote, analysis or reflection, they just show a lateral mindedness which fascinates beyond the mere regurgitation of stats, KPI’s and let’s call it “whiteboard word play”. 

Verbal diarrhoea? 

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

Pathetic thread, Hysterical supporters of a football club trying to gauge a coach's IQ.

I think I know who you are, Mr Black.

The craftwork index. AFL coaches ranked from 1 to 16 by skill & aptitude in knitting, crocheting and quilting.

1. John Longmire  – strangely enough, claims not to like the caper but has a string of awards from galleries large and small throughout Australia

2. Alistair Clarkson – maverick who is not afraid to drop stitches in pursuit of a superior outcome. Breaks needles frequently.

3. Chris Fagan – sock specialist. Has no peer.

4. Ross Lyon – sleeper. Creative talent, superior ability to match wool & needle. Doesn’t create his own patterns but executes published ones to a high degree of excellence

5. John Worsfold – excellent drape and fit, good range. Blankets, runners, or clothing: can do it all.

6. Alan Richardson – hook guru. The man to see for all your questions about all sizes and types of hooks.

7. Don Pyke – mastered Tunisian crochet at an early age. Impressive body of work, but has had trouble passing down to a younger generation.

8. Leon Cameron – garment specialist. Looking to start his own fashion house after AFL career comes to a close.

9. Adam Simpson – thinker. Will try different combinations of wool, needles, mixes colours well.

10. Luke Beveridge – let early success get to his head and his later work exhibits sloppy broomstick technique. Can do better.

11. Simon Goodwin – crossed from tapestry to quilting, shows promise, but could be making the switch too late in his career to have real impact.

12. Damian Hardwick – clumsy but tries hard. Some good results shine through occasionally

13. Stewart Dew – new kid on the block as an AFL coach, but yesterday’s man in the competitive world of quilting. Sound needle technique but tired ideas.

14. Nathan Buckley – hard worker but with little natural aptitude.

15.  Chris Scott – another who lets his anger get the better of him. Questionable technique: uses needles that are too thick for his preferred wool

16. Ken Hinkley – not good. Goes through the motions. Appears to prefer football.

 

Mensa will be playing close attention to this concept  in anticipation of some new arrivals.

I’m pleased for Tony Shaw that he is no longer eligible for ranking as this subject might have upset him had he been capable of reading.

Mazer seems to have sewn together a few pertinent ideas but but others will get crotchety about the fabric in the thread. I felt it has some merit but others may feel he is desperate for new material and is simply trying to pull the wool.

Kasparov was probably not exposed to AFL much but I’m sure if he was to make changes from the coaches box then 4 hours per move might have seen him ranked alongside Goodwin for dynamic strategy implementation.

I'm sure Buckley would've been near the bottom of such a ridiculous list before last year. Does a person's IQ change that dramatically over 18 months? Does it matter? Yeah, nah...

Fagan has a brilliant football mind, whatever his IQ. I'd be much happier with the former rather than the later.

Rating coach IQs is the ultimate in fan vanity. Nothing surprises me, though.

 

I think you're bang on Matsuo. Goodwin is definitely in the top 18 for coaching IQ's for the entire country. A good achievement. However if you're not pushing into the top 5-10 within 3 or so years you'll end up being dumped from the 18 soon enough.

Edited June 14, 20195 yr by John Demonic

I think talking to media is one of Goodwin's best qualities. I wish he was as good at game day coaching and developing a list. He is bottom of the barrel in those categories.

On 6/14/2019 at 12:54 PM, Matsuo Basho said:

I’ve always divided the world into two types of people as well EO. Pedestrians that acknowledge with a quick nod or wave the vehicle and driver that comes to a courteous stop at a zebra crossing ... and the blinkered automatons who don’t. 

Also dogs. People who don’t go gaga over a happy dog with a wagging tail are a bit strange IMO.

What about those that intermittently do both (like myself), or does your lifelong principle only allow for absolutes?

 

On 6/14/2019 at 2:57 PM, Matsuo Basho said:

Anyone who would show up with manboobs and a beergut to give others directives on discipline and pushing themselves has got to be suspect. So I’ve at least got Stewie “Mountain” Dew covered.

Im with LittleGoffy on this one. Bucks would be a great fireside chat over Barossa red. Clarko and the smarter Scott brother, yeah. Rossy Lyon might start to bore me after 45 minutes. Kenny Hinkley and Lukey Beveridge the surprise packets, really coming into their own later in the evening when proceedings move to the officer’s bunker for a Glenfiddich single malt.

So you presumably then hold little regard for the bloke you’ve listed at number three, who a few years ago had blown out & had to be given a strict fitness program himself to turn it around?

His brother has never been accused of being skinny either.

4 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

What about those that intermittently do both (like myself), or does your lifelong principle only allow for absolutes?

Intermittent is okay! 

So you presumably then hold little regard for the bloke you’ve listed at number three, who a few years ago had blown out & had to be given a strict fitness program himself to turn it around?

But he did turn it around, no? Over to you Stewie. It’s never too late to change. Show your lads the way!

 

On 6/15/2019 at 12:12 PM, Deehumanizing said:

I think talking to media is one of Goodwin's best qualities. I wish he was as good at game day coaching and developing a list. He is bottom of the barrel in those categories.

I hate Goodwin's media presence. He works so hard at not giving anything away that he seems like a robot.

11 hours ago, BAMF said:

I hate Goodwin's media presence. He works so hard at not giving anything away that he seems like a robot.

I think it's the hardest part of being a coach. But Goodwin's priority in the media is clear. He puts his players first. He always defends his players and that's why they love him. This is a trait he shares with all successful coaches of the last decade. He always uses united language. No I, me, them. It's always us, our and we.

In a few weeks making finals with be a mathematical impossibility which will mean that stupid question that gets asked every week will go away and that will make his media appearances easier

I understand that fans are bothered listening to him after a loss but I don't really know what they expect him to say. "We're [censored] and I'm a [censored] coach" how would that help anyone?

3 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I think it's the hardest part of being a coach. But Goodwin's priority in the media is clear. He puts his players first. He always defends his players and that's why they love him. This is a trait he shares with all successful coaches of the last decade. He always uses united language. No I, me, them. It's always us, our and we.

In a few weeks making finals with be a mathematical impossibility which will mean that stupid question that gets asked every week will go away and that will make his media appearances easier

I understand that fans are bothered listening to him after a loss but I don't really know what they expect him to say. "We're [censored] and I'm a [censored] coach" how would that help anyone?

“Just Gimme some Truth”

J. Lennon (1971)

On 6/14/2019 at 1:42 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

It must have been the onions?

3 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

I think it's the hardest part of being a coach. But Goodwin's priority in the media is clear. He puts his players first. He always defends his players and that's why they love him. This is a trait he shares with all successful coaches of the last decade. He always uses united language. No I, me, them. It's always us, our and we.

In a few weeks making finals with be a mathematical impossibility which will mean that stupid question that gets asked every week will go away and that will make his media appearances easier

I understand that fans are bothered listening to him after a loss but I don't really know what they expect him to say. "We're [censored] and I'm a [censored] coach" how would that help anyone?

Goodwin sounds like a man who has read the "Media 101 for AFL Coaches Manual" 25 times but who hasn't yet learned to cast it aside and let his realness and natural insightfulness shine. Does he have realness and natural insightfulness? That's the question, hence his low ranking on my index. We have not seen it yet. Too much rehearsed cliché and robotronic industry speak. He's going to have to drop a lot of that mask and find his own true voice if he's any chance to be a successful AFL coach.

No1 should be no 18!

Try Chris Fagan or Clarkson at the top!