CHANGES: Rd 12 vs Collingwood

[Diamond_Jim 12,368]

5 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Do you think Jeff will be delisted at end of year?

will he look elsewhere if offered a one year contract is perhaps the other question.

[picket fence 16,705]

7 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Do you think Jeff will be delisted at end of year?

No I dont, I reckon there is something NQR but on present standards if he kicks another 15 + or so he will be our leading goalkicker!

Give him another 1 year deal ( with a second year option)  performance based same money plus incentives a full pre season ( Remembering his shoulder injury in the JLT) I just reckon a touch of faith is required with this bloke who clearly can play!

Edited June 3, 2019 by picket fence

[DV8 2,271]

13 hours ago, 58er said:

And repeat the Jack Watts performance!!!

Ridiculous suggestion

We will need to play him  (Dunkley),  at some stage this year,  If he appears worthy...  or risk losing him at end of season.

If we are to play him, surely we will have to elevate him to the senior list.

 

In my mind,  this then makes him a Demon...  and would require a transfer for him to be stolen by another club.?

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Edited June 3, 2019 by DV8

[bing181 9,007]

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Not sure where you got those stats from, as Hannan was the only forward to lay less tackles than Spargo (Spargo laid 2, another below average effort). 

A "below average" effort?

Here are the forward tackles for Sunday:

Garlett: 3

Spargo, Weideman, Smith, Petracca: 2

Hunt, Hannan: 1

So, total tackles by those 7 forwards is 13, which means that the average tackles per player is 1.86. Spargo with 2 is actually above average.

Also, *both* Hunt and Hannan laid fewer tackles than Spargo, while only one player laid more.

[bing181 9,007]

2 hours ago, SwissDee said:

Spargo is too small to offer any real pressure (any of those tackles actually stick?).

This is what confirmation bias looks like.

[SwissDee 43]

13 minutes ago, bing181 said:

This is what confirmation bias looks like.

True, but I do wonder what constitutes a tackle sometimes. Does anyone have an actual definition? Like, does the tackle need to stop the opposition player? I'm always sceptical when it comes to stats

 

[DV8 2,271]

10 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm always amused at number of posters who want a player's return from injury delayed another week based on no insight. It's like scans, GPS results and the player's conversation with the medical team are all valueless. How would we know whether any player's treatment and return date are either aggressive or conservative?

Because its simply how that poster thinks and feels.  Which encompasses a whole lot of things unsaid by poster.  It doesn't hurt anything.

[DV8 2,271]

8 hours ago, picket fence said:

Depending on fitness

B  Hore  May  Frost

HB  Salem T Mac Jones

C  Fritsch  Gus  JKH

H F Hannan  Weeds Baker

F  Garlett  Smith Hunt

R Max, Viney,  Clarry  

INTER Pruess, Lockhart, Harmes, ANB or Wagner

Emerg ?? Pftt

Did you drop,,, or forget Tracca ?

[Superunknown 4,075]

6 hours ago, bandicoot said:

You must be both uneducated and delusional if you think they will drop Tmac. Thanks goodness you have no say in our selection process. 

Drop garlett? He kicks 3.2 and has his best game to 2 years and you want to drop him. 

You have no idea... 

As my 2 yo says “that not nice”

Can’t we all just be friends 

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Jeffy Garlett, what can you say?  what would Goody be thinking?

how is it possible I both love and hate the man??

he kicks 3 including a cracking one-two with Spargs. but at the same time misses the easiest of CHEST MARKS to snap home the victory. then doesnt attack the footy and can't kick straight from 25m (not alone there).  he has to be the most infuriating player to watch.  so good and so bad.

do you compromise team standards by playing him as he is so good or drop him?  

If playing jeffy,  or other passer by,  gets us artificially up the ladder...   and cost us a  Hayden Young,  Lachie Ash,  or a Dylan Stephens/Caleb Serong.  I will go  berko,  after this wasted season.  

Too much wasted already,  to give up a top 6 pick for something lesser.... unless we traded say a pick 4 or 5,  for two 1st Rnd picks.

 

And a classy sounding forward... Dylan Williams.

 

[Thehardtackler 785]

Who cares! We will get flogged. Our players have mentally checked out from this season already!

[640MD 3,327]

13 minutes ago, Thehardtackler said:

Who cares! We will get flogged. Our players have mentally checked out from this season already!

Not really sure what will happen Monday  or what Melbourne side turns up.

We went well against West Coast    should have won,   4th on the ladder,

three sheetful quarters against GWS then the last went well,   they did not lie down last week against Suns so why would they lie down against us,   there 2nd on the ladder.

Then last week flogged Adelaide for 3 and half quarters, could not buy a goal or a free kick where it would count.  and they are in the eight.

So we get Pies sitting fourth   beaten by Freo who I did not think played well and should only win in Perth, more hung in there cos the pies were poor.

Just do not know, and its only my opinion anyway, cannot be there so will turn the telly off if it gets too bad and no one will know or care except me. but will probably watch it all.   Go Dees   If they do tackle hard and often who knows.

[goodwindees 2,379]

22 hours ago, bing181 said:

... who's entering the twilight of his career. Walker's underperformance didn't have much to do with Frost, who for all his athleticism etc. is the worst one-on-one defender we have.

Rubbish. You Frost haters are looking sillier by the week and will really end up with egg all over your face when Frost has a Top 6 B & F result. 

[bing181 9,007]

4 hours ago, SwissDee said:

True, but I do wonder what constitutes a tackle sometimes. Does anyone have an actual definition? Like, does the tackle need to stop the opposition player? I'm always sceptical when it comes to stats

 

TACKLE

Using physical contact to prevent an opponent in possession of the ball from getting an effective disposal.

 

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-28/stats-glossary-every-stat-explained

Edited June 3, 2019 by bing181

[bing181 9,007]

1 hour ago, goodwindees said:

Rubbish. You Frost haters are looking sillier by the week and will really end up with egg all over your face when Frost has a Top 6 B & F result. 

I know this is not the way it's done on Demonland, but you can both point out a player's shortcomings AND appreciate their strengths. I like Sam a lot and what he brings - especially the fact that he's a tall who turns into a small once the ball hits the ground, it's almost like having an extra player in the backline. Would be surprised if he's top 6 in the B&F, but would be great to see, all power to Sam.

[picket fence 16,705]

12 hours ago, DV8 said:

Did you drop,,, or forget Tracca ?

Sheet yep 

OK Trac in for either Lockhart or ANB probably Lockhart!

[Demon Dynasty 17,098]

17 hours ago, bing181 said:

That's odd, because on Saturday's form, Spargo is thereabouts in relation to our other forwards e.g., second for goal assists, equal second marks I50, and laid more tackles than any of them except Geoffy.

Caveat emptor with any MFC forward stats Bing given the ugly season so far.

It's all off a very low base comparatively with player v player.  Better to look at how players are performing vs last season and the rest of the comp,  barring the others bouncing around the bottom like us. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Deemania since 56 6,562]

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

the fact that he's a tall who turns into a small once the ball hits the ground, it's almost like having an extra player in the backline. Would be surprised if he's top 6 in the B&F, but would be great to see, all power to Sam.

This has always impressed me, too; streamlining his game and earlier habits is obviously occurring, making him an asset and potentially, in a fuller, stronger backline, an absolute clearance asset. His is linking more quickly and accurately now and is doing so for the obvious betterment of the Team. Just a little bit more emphasis on his spoiling routines would be handy right now, and a few support gestures as he takes possession of the ball. Like the lad and his endeavour.

[The Stigga 1,082]

In: Bedford, Jordan, Chandler, Sparrow, Dunkley

Out: Doesn't matter 

 

 

[whatwhat say what 22,223]

tom morris on the couch said that may and lever will defo be in for queen's birthday

[beelzebub 23,200]

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Out Rossi's

In Volkl 

 

[old dee 23,505]

56 minutes ago, The Stigga said:

In: Bedford, Jordan, Chandler, Sparrow, Dunkley

Out: Doesn't matter 

 

 

You do realise that Sparrow is out with a knee injury for multiple weeks! And the rest you honestly have no idea of their VFL form.

God deliver me?

[dazzledavey36 52,912]

15 minutes ago, old dee said:

You do realise that Sparrow is out with a knee injury for multiple weeks! And the rest you honestly have no idea of their VFL form.

God deliver me?

Think you missed the sarcasm meter there Old..

[The Stigga 1,082]

19 minutes ago, old dee said:

You do realise that Sparrow is out with a knee injury for multiple weeks! And the rest you honestly have no idea of their VFL form.

God deliver me?

No I didn't realize, thats a bummer

Anyway play the kids, instead of moving the deckchairs...

 

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,392]

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

tom morris on the couch said that may and lever will defo be in for queen's birthday

Good.

A half fit Lever will give us more than a McDonald.

I know Lever will struggle in his first game back, but at least he'll get an AFL game under his belt and hopefully be close to cherry ripe V Freo after the bye.