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Ablett wins appeal. System is broken

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54 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I admit to not knowing the difference between AI and machine learning, and I don't care to. All I really want to say is that if you're located in Canberra and working in AI...please tell me you don't mind people wondering whether you're doing something to improve our system of Government.  

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    1 hour ago, Smokey said:

    Do you understand the term machine learning as a subset of artificial intelligence? 

    I engineer systems of this nature for a living and what you just said makes absolutely zero sense. 

    it's software not hardware (i.e. machines) ....not hard to know the difference. yes, i know they call it "machine learning" but that's just bs marketing. i first got involved in ai 35 years ago (in a minor way)

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    4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Who? And why is their schooling relevant?

    It takes a certain arrogance to treat the plebs, (us) with such contempt,  lies... and mostly this is bred into them from an early age. including schooling.  no not public schooling.

     

    This,   v   v   v   taught attitude,  IS the problem...  because its  anti-communal  in its ideals. its not about sharing and caring... its all about self.

    "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing"

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    6 hours ago, Brownie said:

    I had a squiz on the Norf big footy forum and of course they were [censored] off.

    The mentioned another rule change this year I wasn't aware of. Even if it's an accidental head clash, you're liable for suspension. 

    That's what has happened.

    See this great article from Nathan Burke. 

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/afl/2018/12/14/afl-rules-changes-footy/

    It almost seems like the best tactic now would be if you're involved in a head clash and you're opponent is dazed and needs help from the ground....

     Feign concussion and wobble off with them because you're gunna get a week at least.

    If both players are concussed do both players get suspended? Wtf

    Just imagine how this rule could play out at finals time.

    Geez they're wrecking the game so quickly at the moment.

     

    They are...

    All these directors/dheads,  think they can just pull all the rules,  and change everything...  since 2000,  they've  gone Feral.

    Instead of undoing newish laws that have created problems,  they continue to make even more new rules to fix the lousy rules they put in place.

     

    Just reduce the interchange bench,  you Commision morons.  Commission is right.

    ... they must be on some sort of  "commission",  for implementing new rules.

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    1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

    it's software not hardware (i.e. machines) ....not hard to know the difference. yes, i know they call it "machine learning" but that's just bs marketing. i first got involved in ai 35 years ago (in a minor way)

    Well you can go ahead and take that up with Arthur Samuel who invented the term in 1959 (hot tip - he was a computer scientist, not a marketing guy). Got any more pearls of wisdom to share? 

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    14 hours ago, DV8 said:

    .......

    How do these Ex-Private school Elitist leaders...  get so far up themselves.   To think they can just pull all these crapp decisions in front of our eyes,  knowing we all will just cop it.?

    DV8 you have a large chip on your shoulder regarding private schools. Let it go, it does not add to your argument. 

     

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    25 minutes ago, DV8 said:

    It takes a certain arrogance to treat the plebs, (us) with such contempt,  lies... and mostly this is bred into them from an early age. including schooling.  no not public schooling.

     

    This,   v   v   v   taught attitude,  IS the problem...  because its  anti-communal  in its ideals. its not about sharing and caring... its all about self.

    "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing"

    What rubbish. You really need to get that chip removed from your shoulder.

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    29 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    How long until these machines become self-aware? 

    They already did, but having looked around the joint, decided they'd rather go back to being dumb and ignorant than masters of all they surveyed.

    In their benevolence, they left us with facebook as a warning.

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    1 hour ago, ManDee said:

    DV8 you have a large chip on your shoulder regarding private schools. Let it go, it does not add to your argument. 

     

    No, private schools don't bother me at all...  no problem with them.   My issue is with arrogance...  and beliefs of superiority...  that's seen mostly in males,  and from mostly the Private School sector.

    Maybe its more the parents arrogant attitudes ?  Than the Schools, but it is real... and it is witnessed in Western culture,  worldwide.

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    2 hours ago, Smokey said:

    Well you can go ahead and take that up with Arthur Samuel who invented the term in 1959 (hot tip - he was a computer scientist, not a marketing guy). Got any more pearls of wisdom to share? 

    i'll leave it up to ernest to discuss it with arthur given he died 29 years ago.....

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    16 hours ago, DV8 said:

    No, private schools don't bother me at all...  no problem with them.   My issue is with arrogance...  and beliefs of superiority...  that's seen mostly in males,  and from mostly the Private School sector.

    Maybe its more the parents arrogant attitudes ?  Than the Schools, but it is real... and it is witnessed in Western culture,  worldwide.

    It may be that private school boys grow up and do well in life, a disproportionate number of our political and industry leaders have been to private schools. Perhaps you have a problem with power and authority. I find using stereotypes can weaken an argument. 

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    4 hours ago, ManDee said:

    It may be that private school boys grow up and do well in life, a disproportionate number of our political and industry leaders have been to private schools. Perhaps you have a problem with power and authority. I find using stereotypes can weaken an argument. 

    I have a problem with some,  'using'....  authority over others, yes.

    Power,  no problem...  as we all have it (personal),  apart from in law.   This is where bullying comes into play....   Both with personal abuse, and also with lawful use of Power.  Abuse often happens in this space,  by authorities, and by big business.

     

    Power over things. - that's different,  Politics, &/or in Business.    Mining where these two meet,  and exploitation occurs...  and deceit reigns supreme.

    Arrogance in the AFL... not accepting the supporters as the top stake holders...  and not having referendums on the game in a voting situation,  about the laws of the game,  and how things are decided upon.   eg:   price of a hotdog...  transfer methods of players...  scheduling, or biased fixturing...  

    I could go on.

    ...  arrogance is all about...  and is out of control.

     

    But really at a personal level I cannot stand arrogant people,  who see themselves as their  s#1t  odor don't  linger.

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    It seems Gazza is unhappy being tagged a Sniper. He probably resembles it, as they say in the classics.

    If I were him I'd settle for the fact I have total immunity from any prosecution.

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    As far as footy goes, I’d consider what he’s done the last two weeks to be ‘sniping’. If he doesn’t like the tag, don’t snipe. 

    Unfortunately the AFL have given him a free pass in what may be his last season. 

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    7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    As far as footy goes, I’d consider what he’s done the last two weeks to be ‘sniping’. If he doesn’t like the tag, don’t snipe. 

    Unfortunately the AFL have given him a free pass in what may be his last season. 

    Given his recent form I don't think this will be his last season.

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    To play 320 games without being reported means he's no sniper. In a footy sense, someone who's a sniper does their work underhanded, pre-mediated and behind the play and cameras would have caught him long before this if he was doing anything of the sort.

    In the last two weeks his two similar reports have been careless, clumsy and stupid, but they were not underhanded, pre-meditated or even behind the play.

    Whether he should have got a holiday, got fined or got off is open to debate -and for such a brilliant footballer, he is certainly a polarising figure to fans.

    However he is certainly not a sniper. 

     

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    Ablett will go down as one of the greats. And no-one will argue against that.

    His acts of the last two weeks have possibly been out of character, and in the context of his illustrious career, are un-Gazlike, but balanced against his 300+ games and Brownlows, will not be what he is remembered for.

    Taken out of context and viewed in isolation as acts committed by "player X", they are not good viewing and if committed by (say) Tommy Bugg, people would be baying for his suspension for sheer stupidity if nothing else. Gaz definitely got out of jail, twice.

    But the debate and upset has not really been about Ablett. What the last 2 weeks have shown, is the crystallisation of the AFL's immense hypocrisy and double standards. Long suspected by many, in no doubt by many more, the loss of control of the game by the AFL has been on clear display.

    Player X hits a player from behind, with an elbow, while airborne, and gets the benefit of the doubt (a fine only).

    Player Y, after the ball has left the vicinity, hits a player in the head with an elbow, while airborne, and gets off completely!

    Player Z commits a rough shepherd, catches a player high, gets off completely.

    Player ZZ commits a fair shepherd, catches a player high, and cops a week.

    Nothing to see here.

    Add in the AFL's sanctimony about "the head is sacrosanct", "the look of the incident", "potential to cause injury" ... These are merely mahjongg tiles to the AFL, to be used when convenient and held back when not.

    At the same time, Rampe climbing the goal post exposed the AFL on another front.

    The way the rule is worded, the player must have the intention to shake the post. As it was, it appeared Rampe was trying some ludicrous stunt whereby he might touch the ball before it went through. (Like so many rules of the game, that one is worded poorly and ill-thought out. It should forbid interfering with the goal post, which would cover many ills while not barring incidental contact while marking, tackling, etc.)

    Faced with the controversy, the AFL chicken out by first saying the ump was right, then that it wouldn't matter anyway because of the state of the match, thereby giving the umpires licence to decide when to follow the rulebook and when to "go with the vibe" of the moment. (Note AFL: these are not "rules of thumb" or "guidelines", they are, in your own words, the "laws of the game".)

    Then to rub it in, having cleared Rampe of wrongdoing, the AFL give him a please explain and a fine. Then victimise him, because they can, over his verbal abuse of the ump. We can now look forward to weekly $10K fines for umpire abuse. (Ha! Ha! Of course I am being flippant.)

    Gil is the one who needs the please explain.

    The laws of the game (and their "interpretation", another sick joke not extant in any other sport) have never been as fluid as they are now. Confusion is at an all time high, precedent means nothing, and umpires are now given licence to factor in "the vibe".

    Gil has lost the plot. If these matters have him flailing to this extent, he has evidently lost his footballing moral compass and is no longer fit to head the controlling body. We appreciate the cheaper pies, Gil, but the game is slipping away from you, and from us, the fans.

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    No surprise that Ablett has been let off 2 weeks in a row by a Christian ?

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    Good to hear Derm and Jason speak out against the blatant favouritism of the mro. 

    Chris Scott is looking very foolish at the moment 

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    5 hours ago, Key Deefender said:

    To play 320 games without being reported means he's no sniper. In a footy sense, someone who's a sniper does their work underhanded, pre-mediated and behind the play and cameras would have caught him long before this if he was doing anything of the sort.

    In the last two weeks his two similar reports have been careless, clumsy and stupid, but they were not underhanded, pre-meditated or even behind the play.

    Whether he should have got a holiday, got fined or got off is open to debate -and for such a brilliant footballer, he is certainly a polarising figure to fans.

    However he is certainly not a sniper. 

     

    Often players develop into snipers as they age and start to realise they aren't quite as quick as they used to be.
    So they resort to giving out the odd clip to these younger faster upstarts.

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    Rode his luck one too many times.

    He will get a week for that.

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