Jump to content

buck_nekkid

Ablett wins appeal. System is broken

Recommended Posts

The Tribunal has an extra arrow in its quiver not available to the MRO. It can take into consideration a player's exemplary record. That option does not exist for the MRO who can only judge a matter on the criteria available. Whether Ablett used the "exemplary record" option or not, I don't know, but I'm just pointing out that the Tribunal and MRO can come to different results on the same incident.

And if Ablett, who has played more than 300 games over 18 years and has won two Brownlow Medals and throughout that time has never been suspended and only once been fined (for accidental contact with an umpire) can't get off on the "exemplary record" criterion, I don't know who could. In other words, Ablett was always going to be cleared to play by the Tribunal.

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, poita said:

Should have been a fine at most. The hand wringers in this thread are really saying they would be happy for Clayton Oliver to be suspended for that? I very much doubt it.

Of course I would be happy in any way were Clarrie suspended for the same offense, but the big difference is that he probably would have been.

Now if Gablett was suspended then it could be a confirmation that the AFL is actually consistent in their pious claims that the head is always sacrosanct, and flowing that we’re Clarrie to do the same and get suspended whilst not happy I would understand.

But it is the blatant consistent inconsistency and clear bias towards certain players, two Geelong “superstars” already being cleared of what many would not, that angers many.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The Tribunal has an extra arrow in its quiver not available to the MRO. It can take into consideration a player's exemplary record. That option does not exist for the MRO who can only judge a matter on the criteria available. Whether Ablett used the "exemplary record" option or not, I don't know, but I'm just pointing out that the Tribunal and MRO can come to different results on the same incident.

And if Ablett, who has played more than 300 games over 18 years and has won two Brownlow Medals and throughout that time has never been suspended and only once been fined (for accidental contact with an umpire) can't get off on the "exemplary record" criterion, I don't know who could. In other words, Ablett was always going to be cleared to play by the Tribunal.

 

Interesting. Is this rule written somewhere?

I'd like to read it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Within a few rounds, some journeyman mug player will whack someone in the head, with a raised elbow, airborne, and will cop 4 weeks, because (a) the head is sacrosanct!, and (b) no one in the media will be sticking up for them, saying "aw, we don't want to see players rubbed out just because of something like that"

The whole issue is not how many weeks it deserves. Give it nothing, or give it 8 weeks. Give it anything you want. But give the same thing every time, every player, for that offence. The current chooklotto, with inside running for stars, is what pisses people off.

  • Like 6
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Notwithstanding the fact that this bloke's "exemplary" record, if reviewed on camera would not stand up to scrutiny,  there must have been an amazingly quick phone call from a certain coach to a past Captain of the Cats in the AFL to get this moving at speed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Surprise surprise.

gablett gets off.  It was a blatant attack on the player, he left the ground, made contact with both arms to the head.

the system is wretched and officially broken.  One rule for the favourites, one rule for us.

Much worse an action by Ablett than that body and head protection of May's, earlier in the season.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

See here, in particular page 7, part (G).

Love the photo of Danger and Gablett right under part (G).

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Love the photo of Danger and Gablett right under part (G).

A visual clue for the Tribunal in case they can't read, perhaps?

  • Like 1
  • Angry 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

System broken? I don't think so. The tribunal as actually a proper hearing with varied results now. Unlike the past where it was a complete waste of time. The removal of the extra week when challenging is best change the AFL has made in the last decade. You go in get your case assessed and an outcome is determined. The problem is MRO seems to be a little trigger happy on suspensions.

Taking who he is out of it, the incident was obviously careless and not intentional. Should have been a fine in the first place. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, poita said:

Should have been a fine at most. The hand wringers in this thread are really saying they would be happy for Clayton Oliver to be suspended for that? I very much doubt it.

Of course not. But the point is Oliver would get suspended for that because he isn’t Ablett. That’s the entire flaw in the system. 

Ablett could murder a basket of kittens and publicly support religious homophobes and he still wouldn’t get so much as a please explain from the AFL. 

Big names and big clubs get an armchair ride from all sections of the AFL hierarchy. The rest don’t. 

  • Angry 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

respect Ablett as a footballer, don't much care for his personality and views but to be fair i think if this is his first offence after so many games and with minimal impact it is reasonable to let him off with a fine. I agree if it happened to one of ours they would be given "the chair."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
41 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

respect Ablett as a footballer, don't much care for his personality and views but to be fair i think if this is his first offence after so many games and with minimal impact it is reasonable to let him off with a fine. I agree if it happened to one of ours they would be given "the chair."

but the "exemplary record" condition was not invoked in this case with respect to his suspension (accidental vs intentional).

it was argued later, only with respect to the downgrading to a fine, where the tribunal did not accept the argument and the fine stayed.

Edited by daisycutter

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ablett was airborne at the point of impact with a raised elbow

I thought the head area was sacrosanct. 

I don’t trust anyone who recites Bible passages and believes them to be fact....

Maybe Gary’s shiny bald nut will become target practice in September...

Jeelong are a true enemy...

 

  • Like 1
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Haven't Selwood, Dangerfield and now Ablett all been let off or a reduced sanction at appeal this year

  • Angry 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

but the "exemplary record" condition was not invoked in this case with respect to his suspension (accidental vs intentional).

it was argued later, only with respect to the downgrading to a fine, where the tribunal did not accept the argument and the fine stayed.

Are you saying the Tribunal did not accept that Ablett had an "exemplary record"? If so, given the Dalai Lama doesn't play AFL, who would?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Are you saying the Tribunal did not accept that Ablett had an "exemplary record"? If so, given the Dalai Lama doesn't play AFL, who would?

i said it wasn't raised in the question of 1 weeks suspension based on intentional vs accidental. Presumably, if they had considered it was in fact intentional then the defence may have raised it, but because it was ruled accidental it was moot.

it was raised subsequently by the defence in an attempt to get the downgraded fine to be canceled but the tribunal (in this case) declined the argument and the fine remained. Presumably they felt a fine was not an appropriate condition to invoke the "exemplary record" provision.

This was how i heard it explained by a reporter shortly after the decision (forgotten who). Bottom line being that this provision played no part in the final findings.  i'm sure the tribunal would accept he had an exemplary record, just that they deemed it inappropriate just for setting aside a fine which doesn't impact eligibility for the brownlow.....meaning he still (possibly) has it up his sleeve for the future

Edited by daisycutter
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When will the AFL realise they are damaging the Game itself ...   in an irreparable way,  with they're deceit's.

They are building layers of deceit,  one ontop of the other...  in the thinking that peoples Love of the game,  is unbreakable.

 

They are wrong.

  • Angry 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Why does Christian keep getting overruled?

The AFL decided to let the game itself wear this black-eye.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Why does Christian keep getting overruled?

Perhaps because he is inconsistent and that he seems pretty clueless.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So he gets off because it was not intentional! Well what was he doing then? He did not need to make contact with the Essendon Player as I saw it. It wasn’t vicious by any means but it seemed deliberate contact to me. 

Happy for him to get off based on his exemplary record but really to overturn the MRP must give Christian the Shytes. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

See here, in particular page 7, part (G).

Thanks.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
On 5/7/2019 at 9:55 PM, buck_nekkid said:

Surprise surprise.

gablett gets off.  It was a blatant attack on the player, he left the ground, made contact with both arms to the head.

the system is wretched and officially broken.  One rule for the favourites, one rule for us.

At the end of the day Buck the system is more 'compromised' than broken as such.

The AFL wish to protect their major assets as best they can and see them out on the park wherever possible, getting the turnstiles clicking and keeping their ratings on the up and up.

There is a system that's for sure, but as for it being run as a truly  independent/fair one?  Highly unlikely and i doubt it has ever been such.

Very subtely managed and massaged to produce said outcomes regardless of gradings on force, intent etc.

Outcomes by the MRO, Michael Christian are effectively not independent anyway as they are determined in conjunction with the AFL General Manager- Football Operations and can then of.course be appealed and overturned at the tribunal. 

Those reported can also be sent directly to the tribunal by the MRO if deemed fit, and again i assume the AFL GM is involved here.

And their record on upholding original determinations on the big names of late??  (courtesy of the West Australian).  And low and behold the losers aren't big names and if they are...we are talking only a fine.  Surprise surprise.

AFL 2019 TRIBUNAL WINNERS

  • Shane Mumford (GWS, striking) - One-game ban reduced to $3000 fine
  • Mason Cox (Collingwood, rough conduct) - One-game ban and charge thrown out
  • Dustin Martin (Richmond, striking) - Two games down to one
  • Taylin Duman (Fremantle, striking) - Two games down to one
  • Gary Ablett (Geelong, striking) - One game down to $2000 fine

AFL 2019 TRIBUNAL LOSERS

  • Jack Riewoldt (Richmond, misconduct) - $1000 fine increased to $1500
  • Luke McDonald (North Melbourne, rough conduct) - One-game ban upheld
  • Steven May (Melbourne, rough conduct) - One-game ban upheld
  • Taylor Walker (Adelaide, rough conduct) - $3000 fine upheld.
Edited by Rusty Nails

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/7/2019 at 9:55 PM, buck_nekkid said:

Surprise surprise.

gablett gets off.  It was a blatant attack on the player, he left the ground, made contact with both arms to the head.

the system is wretched and officially broken.  One rule for the favourites, one rule for us.

Stupid thread. Shouldn’t have even got a fine. You wouldn’t find a fairer player in 20 years of AFL. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    TRECIMATED by George on the Outer

    A little more than two months have passed since Melbourne met and came close to beating the reigning premier West Coast in the preliminary final replay over in the West. At the time, the Demons had three wins on the board and now, nine rounds later and going into this week’s match, they have managed to add a paltry two more wins to the ledger.  The Eagles, in contrast, have moved to within percentage of second spot on the ladder despite their loss at home this week against Collingwood. Whil

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    SAME STORY, DIFFERENT SONG by George on the Outer

    Melbourne was still suffering from the same old story - a lack of AFL capable players from which to choose at the selection table - and the Western Bulldogs got to sing their song again. But wait, that wasn’t the Doggie’s song we’ve been hearing for the last 30 years, it was some other concoction and no-one knew the words to it but whatever it was, they got to mumble it with gusto after a huge 8 point win! The sad thing is that the Bulldogs (or Footscray or whatever they choose to call

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    DOGGED by KC from Casey

    On Sunday, the Casey Demons met the Footscray VFL under the roof at the same venue where their nemesis took them down in the 2017 grand final and the result left them with the same feeling of disappointment - this time with a seven point defeat that ended the club’s four game winning streak and made things a lot harder in terms of playing in this year’s final series.   And, as has so often happened this year, the Demons let the game get away from them with but failing to take advantage of th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    BARKING MAD by The Oracle

    There was so much hype proliferating about Melbourne’s prospects for season 2019 a mere four months ago, that one could be forgiven for thinking anyone contemplating the prospect of a bottom four finish for the Demons at the time was barking mad. That however, is the prospect that they face at the moment and a loss to the Bulldogs on Sunday would make it a virtual certainty.  The club’s downward spiral after several years of moving steadily on an upward trajectory has been well documented i

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE MELBOURNE WAY by George on the Outer

    Much has been made by the coaching staff of playing a “Melbourne way” style of play. The nail-biting finish by the Demons in the dying minute of the game could not have been any more the case in point.   Leading by a game-high 38 points late in the third quarter, and by five goals at the final change, this should have been the catalyst for a romp home to an easy win.   But that is not the “Melbourne way” and the supporters, especially those with a severe case of MFCSS (aka intense inse

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    PINK AND BLUE CAN’T KICK TRUE by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons took on the Northern Blues at home on Saturday  in a game that was crucial in terms of their hopes for September and they took away the valuable four points on offer after some worrying moments. Most of those worries were self-inflicted as a result of some shocking inaccuracy in front of goal, sloppiness in play and a little bit of indiscipline that all combined to make the game a lot closer than it should have been. The final scoreboard showed the Demons winning the P

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    GO FIGURE by Sam the Stats Man

    In May last year, a rampant Melbourne side demolished Carlton by 109 points at the MCG. The Demons did as they pleased and ran rings against a young, abysmal Blues combination. The Dees led in virtually every key performance indicator, notably entering the inside 50 metre mark 63 times to 33 and the superiority of their attack was highlighted by a 74% shooting accuracy rate (to 47%).  A little more than a year later the two sides face each other for the first time since that rout and the ta

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 1

    GORN AT THE GABBA by George on The Outer

    With Melbourne leading the Brisbane Lions in the second term, and the game in the balance, a Max Gawn ankle injury signalled that the Demons were as good as gorrnnn for the match. Without a suitable 2nd ruck and (once again) forced to use either Tom McDonald, Tim Smith or Sam Weidemann in the ruck the Demons found themselves without a forward line that could kick a winning score. Not that anything really changed, as the forward line has been completely dysfunctional all season and one

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    GAMBIT by KC from Casey

    The opening gambit of Saturday afternoon’s game told us everything about who would be its main players and who would come out on top. The Casey Demons were eager to turn the tables on the Box Hill Hawks who beat them in last year’s grand final and then gave them a first up mauling at City Oval, Box Hill. Kicking with the aid of a strong breeze in the opening term, Braydon Preuss’ first hit out went straight to the diminutive Jay Kennedy Harris who pounced with a 70 metre shot at goal that sailed

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    MURDER BY NUMBERS by Sam the Stats Man

    The respective ladder positions of this week’s combatants tell the story of one side on the rise and the other in steep decline. Since their most recent meeting which took place early last year, the Dees and the Lions have changed positions. They are opposed to each again on the former’s home turf with the locals in fine fettle after blowing St Kilda off the park at Marvel Stadium.  The Lions’ home ground advantage has been a major consideration so far this year. They have won five out of s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    MUD HEAP by KC from Casey

    In the opening round of the 2018 VFL season, the Casey Demons enjoyed an emphatic 107 point victory over Coburg at Piranha Park. The team was loaded with Melbourne listed players (half a dozen of them were in the team that beat Fremantle on Saturday) and the side was in its way to a grand final appearance. A season and a half later, the club returned to the same venue in the hope of kick starting a season that had gone somewhat awry under new coach Sam Radford and while they tasted victory (as y

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    PRETENDERS SENT PACKING by George on the Outer

    Fremantle, the Perth pretenders at sixth on the premiership table should have easily accounted for the Demons, sitting barely a game off the bottom of the ladder.   And for the majority of the game, it certainly looked that would be the case, until the final quarter, when the Demons stopped giving the Dockers easy chances, or making plain, dumb decisions. Not that their situation was helped by some simply appalling umpiring during the match, that kept gifting Fremantle easy scores.  Th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...