Gold Coast should not be gifted Pick 2. They were 3-1 after the first month of the season, and that loss was by a point.

24 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

So if Hawks get Brad Hill back (80% likely) and Langdon stays at Freo (50/50) .... what then ???

 I am happy to go the draft with picks 2 & 20 and let JT weave his magic. 

I know it will annoy the hell out of a few people who will immediately have (valid) trauma flashbacks to missing out on Josh Kelly, but I am convinced that at least as far as late in the first round there are multiple players which would suit us quite well and have really good careers. So I'd be very interested in seeing 2 and 20 turn into, say, 7 and 12.

I'm less and less keen on trading for 'pretty good' players on inflated salaries. At some point we're going to need to hit free agents hard if we're going to sustain a position as a contender, and I've dropped away from the idea that the likes of Hill or Langdon would make a difference to us becoming contenders. Cyril Rioli they are not.

3 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Gold Coast should not be gifted Pick 2. They were 3-1 after the first month of the season, and that loss was by a point.

I don't agree with them getting pick 2 but I don't know that this is a decent argument against it.

Those three wins were vs the Dogs, Carlton and Fremantle, and the loss was to St Kilda. Not exactly a taxing month. Since then they've only gotten within 4 goals of their opponent three times in 15 games (vs us, St Kilda and Essendon).

I think the GC priority pick thing is happening. the last significant hurdle is the clubs where there will no doubt be strong opposition but when guys like Barrett and caro start saying it, the AFL is trying to slowly get the public to accept the fact this is happening.

17 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Gold Coast should not be gifted Pick 2. They were 3-1 after the first month of the season, and that loss was by a point.

They always start well. Over the last 4 years more than half their wins have come in the first 5 rounds. After that they fall on a hole.

From the start of 2016:

GC Record first 5 rounds: 11-9

GC Record round 6 onwards: 8-57

 

 

15 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I don't agree with them getting pick 2 but I don't know that this is a decent argument against it.

Those three wins were vs the Dogs, Carlton and Fremantle, and the loss was to St Kilda. Not exactly a taxing month. Since then they've only gotten within 4 goals of their opponent three times in 15 games (vs us, St Kilda and Essendon).

The reason they keep losing - particularly after the first month of the season - is because they are so young, not because they lack talent. They have a pick 3 from last year who hasn't even got on the park. Their list is far more talented than Melbourne and Carlton at the same stage. That's the argument against a priority pick. If the AFL wants to help them improve quickly then help them sign some free agents or mature players.

OUR BEST SIDE FOR NEXT YEAR

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : HARMES, OLIVER, ANDERSON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, WEIDEMAN, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HUNT, J.SMITH, VANDENBERG

EMERG; HORE, HANNAN, LOCKHART, PREUSS

 

CASEY

B: JORDON, O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER

HB: HORE, KEILTY, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : STRETCH, MAYNARD, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, T.SMITH, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, BRADTKE, LOCKHART

FOLL: PREUSS, SPARROW, C.WAGNER

IC: KENNEDY HARRIS, SPARGO, DUNKLEY, BEDFORD

EMERG: CHANDLER, NEITCHSKE, WALKER

RETIRED: LEWIS

POSSIBLE DELISTINGS: O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER, KEILTY, STRETCH, MAYNARD, T.SMITH, GARLETT, KENNEDY HARRIS

1 hour ago, WERRIDEE said:

OUR BEST SIDE FOR NEXT YEAR

 

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, FROST, SALEM

C : HARMES, OLIVER, ANDERSON

HF: MELKSHAM, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: FRITSCH, WEIDEMAN, PETTY

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HUNT, J.SMITH, VANDENBERG

EMERG; HORE, HANNAN, LOCKHART, PREUSS

 

CASEY

B: JORDON, O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER

HB: HORE, KEILTY, KOLODJASHNIJ

C : STRETCH, MAYNARD, BAKER

HF: HANNAN, T.SMITH, NEAL-BULLEN

F: GARLETT, BRADTKE, LOCKHART

FOLL: PREUSS, SPARROW, C.WAGNER

IC: KENNEDY HARRIS, SPARGO, DUNKLEY, BEDFORD

EMERG: CHANDLER, NEITCHSKE, WALKER

RETIRED: LEWIS

POSSIBLE DELISTINGS: O.MCDONALD, J.WAGNER, KEILTY, STRETCH, MAYNARD, T.SMITH, GARLETT, KENNEDY HARRIS

Def Wags, Keilty,Maynard,Garlett& JKH. Like to keep for 1 year 2 c if they can make it (Stretch) and insurance (T Smith). Add Lewis so that makes 6.

Agree 6 off the list with Lewis Keilty Jwags Jkh Garlett Maynard.  Think Spargo and Omcd should also go but that’s not the nice way that the mfc goes. 

3 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

Def Wags, Keilty,Maynard,Garlett& JKH. Like to keep for 1 year 2 c if they can make it (Stretch) and insurance (T Smith). Add Lewis so that makes 6.

What insurance does Tim Smith provide? He's injured for about 16 weeks every year.

4 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

Def Wags, Keilty,Maynard,Garlett& JKH. Like to keep for 1 year 2 c if they can make it (Stretch) and insurance (T Smith). Add Lewis so that makes 6.

Stretch will not make it 

Free up a spot please Keep Lewis one more year Find a KPF who can mark and contest.

 

On 8/6/2019 at 6:47 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Trade Viney. Ffs. The world has gone mad. 

!00% agree. 

Do we target Ben King as a long term quality KPF? Give up pick 2 and he’s ours (maybe get a later pick back). He’s looked the part in his first year and can play both ends.

We’d need to find a first round pick elsewhere to take to draft though if we traded pick 2 for him.

18 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Do we target Ben King as a long term quality KPF? Give up pick 2 and he’s ours (maybe get a later pick back). He’s looked the part in his first year and can play both ends.

We’d need to find a first round pick elsewhere to take to draft though if we traded pick 2 for him.

That's one way to ensure gold coast get a priority pick! No way would they consider releasing him this year unless it's for massive overs, pick 2 would only be the start of the conversation

10 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

That's one way to ensure gold coast get a priority pick! No way would they consider releasing him this year unless it's for massive overs, pick 2 would only be the start of the conversation

If the rumours are true and he wants to return to Victoria ASAP, then they'll lose him next year anyway and have less leverage for a trade as he'll be out of contract. They may bite the bullet if they get a decent offer this year. Drafted at pick 6, trade him for pick 2 a year later. As opposed to draft him at pick 6 and lose him for 10+ next year after investing another year in his development.

If the rumours are true, they'd be in their best interests to cash in ASAP. We could be the beneficiary there!

10 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

If the rumours are true and he wants to return to Victoria ASAP, then they'll lose him next year anyway and have less leverage for a trade as he'll be out of contract. They may bite the bullet if they get a decent offer this year. Drafted at pick 6, trade him for pick 2 a year later. As opposed to draft him at pick 6 and lose him for 10+ next year after investing another year in his development.

If the rumours are true, they'd be in their best interests to cash in ASAP. We could be the beneficiary there!

Not necessarily, if he keeps improving like he has this far in his career, his value will only increase. There will always be leverage for top KPP prospect, returning to a state with 10 teams.

From all reports, the top 7 in last years draft would all be in the conversation for this years pick 1. 

It's definitely worth a try but as another poster said, Pick 2 would be a starting point and we wouldn't be getting anything coming back.

 

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

If the rumours are true and he wants to return to Victoria ASAP, then they'll lose him next year anyway and have less leverage for a trade as he'll be out of contract. They may bite the bullet if they get a decent offer this year. Drafted at pick 6, trade him for pick 2 a year later. As opposed to draft him at pick 6 and lose him for 10+ next year after investing another year in his development.

If the rumours are true, they'd be in their best interests to cash in ASAP. We could be the beneficiary there!

Think most of the rumours are coming from Saints fans who think he'll go to play with his brother. He'll still get a top 5 pick plus more next year if he continues on like he is. The AFL will be ensuring the gold coast get way overs if any of their young guns leave, it's in their interest too. There's no way he'll be traded this year

1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Not necessarily, if he keeps improving like he has this far in his career, his value will only increase. There will always be leverage for top KPP prospect, returning to a state with 10 teams.

From all reports, the top 7 in last years draft would all be in the conversation for this years pick 1. 

It's definitely worth a try but as another poster said, Pick 2 would be a starting point and we wouldn't be getting anything coming back.

 

Well Josh Wagner is a Queensland boy and probably so is his brother. With pick 2 you would get something back and on that basis you have your missing extra key forward and extra chop out ruckman in another year or two.

We are deep into our 5 year plan to win a premiership and I think we should go after Shaun Higgins... I don’t care if we pay overs. He is still playing great football and is a weapon! Let’s offer him something he can’t and North can’t refuse. 

Is Brad Hill and Ed Langdon possible if we trade Pick 2 to Freo? If so do it...

Could Pick 2 land us Jack Martin and Peter Wright? Is Ben King possible? Let’s throw the Kitchen Sink! 

We need to be the most proactive club in Trade period. Ruthless Dees!

 

This is 2007 all over again and we are in for an almighty rebuild.

We will see a huge turnover of players over the next two years, get ready to no see finals action for another four or five years.

On 8/9/2019 at 8:08 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree 6 off the list with Lewis Keilty Jwags Jkh Garlett Maynard.  Think Spargo and Omcd should also go but that’s not the nice way that the mfc goes. 

Jkh and Omcd can definitely go.  They offer ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 

Time to play trade lotto.

Delist/Trade out:
JKH, Maynard, Wagx2, Garlett, Keilty, T. Smith, Lewis (player/asst. coach @ Casey), Jones

Trades:
-TMac, Omac, 3rd round pick to GCS
+Pick 1

-Pick 2, future 2nd round to GWS
+Cameron, 3rd round pick

-Brayshaw, 3rd round pick from GWS to Freo
+Hill, Langdon

-Weideman to Pies
+2nd round pick, 3rd round pick

-2nd round pick, 2nd round pick from Pies (3rd round pick from Pies if required) to North
+Brown

Free Agents:
Coniglio, Hill, Tomlinson, Elliot

Delisted Free Agents/Other:
Bennell
Whichever Tiger small is forced out
Best available depth.

Draft:
Pick 1 Anderson
Whatever's left

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This is 2007 all over again and we are in for an almighty rebuild.

We will see a huge turnover of players over the next two years, get ready to no see finals action for another four or five years.

A little bit of an over-reaction...

1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

A little bit of an over-reaction...

I don't think so, we're not far away from a rebuild. I'd expect a decent clear out this year. Our list clearly doesn't have the quality we thought.

We lack quality all over the ground and really need to get this draft right. 

Anyways, I'd be open to trading our 1st pick for 2 X 1st round picks i.e. Port 2018 picked up Rozee Butters and Durrsma with 5, 12 and 18. We could try for something like Ash, Stephens and a slider.

Lots of outs are easy to pick. 

Jkh. Maynard. Keilty. Jwags. Garlett. Omcd  Spargo   Tim Smith. Chandler (r) 

Chat about the future  Lewis  

Medical. Vandenburg jsmith

 (Possible trades. Stretch. Jsmith ... if they want out). 

With some tough decisions, at least 10 new faces ahead.