Questions that need to be answered.

[Sorry kids 635]

Gary Pert, a perfect example of " there is more to being smart than wearing a nice suit". Anyone who spends Club time and resources on perusing a training base in a public park over rail yards without council and State govt backing is either an idiot or not fair dinkum. 

[shorty 233]

Our disposal is rubbish, we got away with it last year as our fwds were in form and we were able to lock it in our fwd line. This year it's coming straight back out, our midfielders won't chase and the zone defence is embarrassing. 

[titan_uranus 25,255]

16 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Fundamentally, I've come to realise that who we have playing as our back 6 won't actually matter if the break down continues further up the field.

That's not to say that I think we missed Oscar. Clearly, he is vulnerable in more ways than one. 

But this issue runs deeper and is now on Goodwin's shoulders. He has continued to play an extremely aggressive zone defence that relies on everything going our way further up the field. 

I will continue tomorrow though. There's much to talk about. 

Agreed.

May and Lever would (hopefully) help strengthen the back six but if they're being told to press up and zone off the same way OMac, Frost and Hibberd are, then we're going to have the same problems.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

2 hours ago, Sydee said:

Don't hold your breath - according to SG "our brand" is still perfectly fine we are just too easy to play against atm - well that isn't good is it !

I agree we are pedestrian in the speed department, generally have poor skills which get highlighted more in the wet and not a single forward that opposition backs would be concerned about kicking multiple goals 

 

From my own leadership perspective I can understand what SG is saying.

You don't necessarily want to say what you're doing is wrong and your players are slow or poor etc....

I just hope that they are making the hard decisions. All we can do is hope. But to be fair SG has on face value to now made a lot of good calls, so I am prepared to back him in.... Sadly that doesn't mean we will get better anytime soon in the short term

[jumbo returns 6,745]

19 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

From my own leadership perspective I can understand what SG is saying.

You don't necessarily want to say what you're doing is wrong and your players are slow or poor etc....

I just hope that they are making the hard decisions. All we can do is hope. But to be fair SG has on face value to now made a lot of good calls, so I am prepared to back him in.... Sadly that doesn't mean we will get better anytime soon in the short term

That's ok, as long as the recruiting hits the target

[Wrecker45 3,381]

15 hours ago, KLV said:

So, my question is.... why have most other clubs accurately predicted the implications of the 666 rule, adjusted their game plan accordingly, taught the players, who in turn have mastered it, and... we have not?

I personally thought it would lead to advantages for us because we generally win centre clearances with Gawn, Oliver, Viney & Brayshaw. A quick kick kick out of the centre and we have an open 1 on 1 forward line.

We are down on centre clearances this year which has ruined the 1 advantage we should have got.

Any advantage the opposition should have got against our brand of play has been multiplied by the absence of Lever and May.

 

[Redleg 42,156]

2 hours ago, shorty said:

Our disposal is rubbish, 

Maybe not rubbish but certainly poor.

I have been banging on about pace and disposal for the last 3 years and I don't believe we have done anything about it.

Interesting that our disposal is causing turnovers that are gifting goals to the opposition and we are now described by many as the slowest team in the AFL.

Added to a poor gameplan is it any wonder we are losing every week.

[Demonsone 2,056]

23 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

Is it just me or is it after every loss the amount of surgeries done in the off season goes up another 3-4?

Wasn't it 17 off season surgeries? Now its 22?

My apologies  correct 17

[Deemania since 56 6,808]

On 4/21/2019 at 12:20 PM, america de cali said:

I got the email. All it said was blah, blah, blah.

The cheap, temporary-to-mid-term annulment of several Club issues from recruiting, coaching, player preparation, game planning, buy-in and communication,  to realistic development, FD decision-making, whole team readiness and preparation, and internal tasking reliability.

[Deemania since 56 6,808]

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

Mate, I was a member for a Zillion years before I gave up the ghost in the Neeld years! I bought a membership this year based on solid belief! Well didn't that just go straight down the toilet??

I won't go this week and possibly the rest of the year... this club bleeeds us then tantalises then just hemorrhages blood from the soul.

Time to give up the dream and play more golf!

I'm over this fiasco!

 

Sympathetic to your dilemma and difficult decision, PF. It has been a very painful trip this time around and one that has dominated the Club since '65. Many of us, I think, are reviewing our loyalties and our love of football. Then again, golf has its merits, as well. 

[beelzebub 23,392]

19 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

My main question, how much time some have on their hands or very little in their lives,  to post the same thing over and over again, as if it will change anything

It's footy we were poor and got beaten, move on to next game

Personally I think it was Checkers fault, only one not to get a name check

I can just see Goodwin before the game

'Ok boys I want basic skill errors, a lower work rate that the opposition across the board and no connection between the defence, mids and forwards'

Keep drinking the Koolaid. There's lots.

At what point...in all seriousness , are you going to wake up and smell ....the air. It's pretty rank currently.

Apparently we're traveling alright by your account.

I'd like a premiership. You're content with next week's pasta recipe from one of your special lads.

[jumbo returns 6,745]

3 hours ago, shorty said:

Our disposal is rubbish, we got away with it last year as our fwds were in form and we were able to lock it in our fwd line. This year it's coming straight back out, our midfielders won't chase and the zone defence is embarrassing. 

We've traded all our forwards

[beelzebub 23,392]

15 hours ago, Soidee said:

I got the email with video of SG talking to members.  It smacked of desperation and SG looked very uncomfortable as it was post match.  This club has fallen from 4th to bottom 2 in the space of 6 games.  There is more to this than the club is talking about. 

Someone actually getting close to the issue. The real one. All we are seeing are the resultant symptoms.

[SwissDee 43]

On 4/21/2019 at 7:11 AM, rjay said:

...and I still say the drop off happened last year in the Prelim.

Nothing has been done to change the obvious short comings that blind Freddie could see in that game.

I must credit Geelong with using their loss against us in the final as a huge wake up call. They reviewed, took no prisoners and worked hard in the off season to change their game plan, positioning and personal and now have a crack at another flag.

We on the other hand just excused the performance as not being the real us.

Problem is, it was the real us...and now we're repeating the same mistakes.

I actually thought it was the games against Sydney and St Kilda late in the season that exposed us. West Coast followed the blueprint. Our players all get drawn to the contest where it's difficult to get a meaningful disposal. Other teams just need to leave someone on the outside, more often than not it will come out and they're off. And if it doesn't come out, they can force a stoppage

[FireInTheBennelly 4,104]

5 hours ago, shorty said:

Our disposal is rubbish, we got away with it last year as our fwds were in form and we were able to lock it in our fwd line. This year it's coming straight back out, our midfielders won't chase and the zone defence is embarrassing. 

Exactly right, so the question to be asked here is: 'Why have we as a club been unable to develop any semblance of basic football skills over the last 15 years?'

Unless the gameplan calls for handpassing to the teammate under the most pressure, preferably to his feet, OR kick it long to a contest with our smallest player, OR under no circumstances attempt to shepherd an opposition player, why can't we execute these things?

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

May and Lever would (hopefully) help strengthen the back six but if they're being told to press up and zone off the same way OMac, Frost and Hibberd are, then we're going to have the same problems.

Not quite  't_u' .

 

I think with May and Lever in the side, we can get away with Salem taking a Wing,  or inside Mid role. 

That releases one or more NQR , out of the team.  a net positive.

So...  more speed

 

Jetta, May, Hore

Hibbo, Lever, Lew/jWagner

Salem, Brayshaw, Stretch

Hannan, TMc, Lockhart

Garlett, Weide, Preuss

R/ Gawn, Oli, Viney

 

Int/  Hunt, Jones, Petracca, Lew/Wagner

[Deemania since 56 6,808]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Someone actually getting close to the issue. The real one. All we are seeing are the resultant symptoms.

We take in the football environment, its highs and lows, its direction(s), its leadership, its street level culture and expectations, including recruiting, development, skill sets, readiness, game styles and plans, its sports medicine needs, the alleged 'brands' demonstrated by the clubs and so many wildfire coaching 'panels', plus an extraordinary chain of related, intertwined and over-arching considerations such as expert commentary and prediction, whether relevantly or irrelevantly, and genuflect almost continuously on the implications to our game, Club and operative abilities in that changing landscape. 

A great beauty of Aussie Rules is that these types of reflection and consideration take decades to pan even if only partially, to scrutinise and inform. We reach a conclusion or two across time and miss little, and learn more to better interpret and predict that which fascinates us about the game itself, including our hierarchy in the competition and its status in an ever-changing environment. It is a lifelong study that for some of us, indicates great learning and wisdom, including a sense of belonging.

Now, we primarily ask ourselves, WTF is happening at the MFC over the past suite of in-depth 'reconstructions' and secondly, why?

[Demon Dynasty 17,165]

23 hours ago, shorty said:

Our disposal is rubbish, we got away with it last year as our fwds were in form and we were able to lock it in our fwd line. This year it's coming straight back out, our midfielders won't chase and the zone defence is embarrassing. 

Pretty decent summary shorty

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

On 4/21/2019 at 1:51 PM, R.I.P. Troy said:

I wouldn't waste my money being a member of this delusional club, so i obviously recieved no email.

Did Goodwin really guarantee a better performance against Richmond? That's just laughable if he did.

The club is so delusional they probably believe in the existence of God. Let me know when they send out the let's all pray to God for help email. 

Club needs to start dealing in cold hard facts. The fact is we are the biggest rabble in the AFL. Stop wasting your time on bull [censored] feel good emails, and start looking at the team structure and game plan. Start looking at what new kids to draft in and who will coach our rebuild.

I have a question. Is it possible to restrict Demonland to paid up members? I'm not a fan of freeloaders.

[Demon Dynasty 17,165]

On 4/22/2019 at 12:53 PM, Wrecker45 said:

I personally thought it would lead to advantages for us because we generally win centre clearances with Gawn, Oliver, Viney & Brayshaw. A quick kick kick out of the centre and we have an open 1 on 1 forward line.

We are down on centre clearances this year which has ruined the 1 advantage we should have got.

Any advantage the opposition should have got against our brand of play has been multiplied by the absence of Lever and May.

 

We are No.1 in center clearances Wrecker.

We have improved 5 places on stoppage clearances from last year as well to be ranked 6th (from 11th place in 2018).

No.2 in contested possessions.

The engines doing fine..it's what is happening after we clear it.

Too many turnovers, smashed on the outside spread when we do (last in uncontested).  Stoppage set ups needing work to cover the Oops outlets more effectively and utilise our own better including who we play through there?

Bombing into the 50 far too often on top of players heads.  That is NOT chaos football.

Overly aggressive press crowding out our 50 making it way difficult to convert opportunities.

Lack of quality zippy smaller forwards to clean up / convert and provide occasional lead options into space on 45s.

Lack of to space for anyone to lead into in general due to the aggresseive press (overcrowding) issue.

Aggressive press and big turnover numbers resulting in quick sling shot transistion for Opp far too often, impacting scoreboard and effectiveness / confidence of defenders ie; the Opp converts more often than us as they are taking it into a more open funtional forward line vs our dysfunctional overly crowded one (effecting our conversion and turnover rate i50) even though our i50s are usually much higher than the Opp!  Also the way we bring it in to 50 and out of form Key Forwards probably not helping.

Delivery generally and skill levels right off the scale vs last year (Casey call ups not ready or up to AFL level) as a result of injuries etc.  Ranked last in Disposal Efficiency vs 14th last year and last in effective disposals vs 9th last year.

Edited April 23, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Sydee 4,684]

I hope Sg and the whole team sit down and watch Jimmy Bartels summary of where things are going wrong in Access all Areas. 

To be honest, never watch them and only did because I was interested in the highlights of McKay - oh how I wish Weideman was showing as much promise 

Anyway I think these guys nailed it 

As a collective team we simply allow opposition players too much space and basically hope somehow to win back possession and then get the easy possession on the turnover - teams with half decent skills have worked it out and cut us to ribbons - North play a similar game style and are cr@p too. We need to try manning up a lot closer and stop playing zone defence because it just isn't working

The other points highlighted were that we constantly commit too many numbers around a contest and then when the ball gets free the opposition have players free and away they go

Our forward fifty entries are abysmal - high kicks sitting on top of our taller forwards heads which make it dead easy to spoil - worse is that fact we don't have crumbers and invariably the opposition do and clear the ball far too easily - this is shown up week after week by our disproportionate inside 50 count but terrible conversion rate 

Until we start dealing with these issues we are in for some ugly defeats 

These are the reasons we are dead easy to play against and it needs to stop now !  

[Smokey 4,391]

On 4/21/2019 at 6:37 PM, olisik said:

Hogan for May trade lol. Who the hell signed off on that, was disaster written all over it with Freo and GC laughing all the way. 

And you think keeping Jesse here against his will would yield better results? He not exactly a professional ... we all agreed an established key defender was what we needed and the club got one. 

Edited April 23, 2019 by Smokey

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,508]

On 4/21/2019 at 10:11 PM, picket fence said:

Mate, I was a member for a Zillion years before I gave up the ghost in the Neeld years! I bought a membership this year based on solid belief! Well didn't that just go straight down the toilet??

I won't go this week and possibly the rest of the year... this club bleeeds us then tantalises then just hemorrhages blood from the soul.

Time to give up the dream and play more golf!

I'm over this fiasco!

 

I feel your pain, but I’ll be going all the same. Coming back to Melbourne also allows me to catch up with friends and family.

[chook fowler 19,772]

My only question is: WTF?

[picket fence 18,184]

3 hours ago, Sydee said:

I hope Sg and the whole team sit down and watch Jimmy Bartels summary of where things are going wrong in Access all Areas. 

To be honest, never watch them and only did because I was interested in the highlights of McKay - oh how I wish Weideman was showing as much promise 

Anyway I think these guys nailed it 

As a collective team we simply allow opposition players too much space and basically hope somehow to win back possession and then get the easy possession on the turnover - teams with half decent skills have worked it out and cut us to ribbons - North play a similar game style and are cr@p too. We need to try manning up a lot closer and stop playing zone defence because it just isn't working

The other points highlighted were that we constantly commit too many numbers around a contest and then when the ball gets free the opposition have players free and away they go

Our forward fifty entries are abysmal - high kicks sitting on top of our taller forwards heads which make it dead easy to spoil - worse is that fact we don't have crumbers and invariably the opposition do and clear the ball far too easily - this is shown up week after week by our disproportionate inside 50 count but terrible conversion rate 

Until we start dealing with these issues we are in for some ugly defeats 

These are the reasons we are dead easy to play against and it needs to stop now !  

Its like rabid rugrats with no fear all trying to get the same ball, fighting with each other rather than oppo, then finding ..

Sheeit all my mates are in here trying to get it... Who the hell am I gunna give it to??