Plough: 3 Issues Dees Need to Overcome

[Demonland 72,217]

Lever

Inconsistency

Inexperienced Key Position Players

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

We shall overcome, Mr Wallace!

[chook fowler 19,459]

Plough - a dense metallic object of limited utility

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Dear Demonland,

Can you post the link to the destination article (in this case at SEN), so we don't have to go to the Evil Place?

Thank you,

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[Moonshadow 17,676]

FMD! I would've though lightening strike on the team aeroplane could also be a valid issue... 

Anything can become an issue.

[Demanding Success 298]

His comments are fair enough. He still sounded confident we are a huge chance this year. He also thinks we will be better next year and better again the year after. 

[Demons11 7,028]

If we win it this year, let the dynasty begin 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

He needs to stop working in that helium factory....

[Demonland 72,217]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Dear Demonland,

Can you post the link to the destination article (in this case at SEN), so we don't have to go to the Evil Place?

Thank you,

-Readers who don't support the Evil Place.

FYI - Clicking the link in those Evil Place boxes takes you directly to the linked articles website. *

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/02/26/wallaces-three-major-issues-the-demons-need-to-solve-in-2019/

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[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

47 minutes ago, Demonland said:

FYI - Clicking the link in those Evil Place boxes takes you directly to the linked articles website. *

Not directly.

 

47 minutes ago, Demonland said:

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/02/26/wallaces-three-major-issues-the-demons-need-to-solve-in-2019/

Thank you.

 

47 minutes ago, Demonland said:

* Unknown if it steals all of your data for the Evil Place en route

Correction: is known. That's why we don't want to go via the Evil Place.

[DeeSpencer 25,716]

Plough's usually got a bit more depth and quality in his analysis. I don't mind him as a pundit.

Lever:
Yeah he'll be really good to have back to his best. Of course a good player doing well is important. But as good as Lever is we should be able to cover and injury to a 3rd tall intercepting defender and/or him playing below his best. Hore might be good enough to do it. Hibberd can intercept. Jetta has high intercept numbers for his role. Hunt hopefully bounces back. Salem, Lewis, KK playing back or even Fritsch. I don't see Lever's injury as a particularly huge obstacle, he's a good player coming back, every team has them.

Inconsistencies:
No thanks, not really buying that. How many games was our effort and skill awful really bad in last year - v Hawks in the wet, v Magpies and some terrible moments in the Swans game towards the end of the year. Then of course the prelim. Otherwise almost every week we turned up and had a go. We struggled for most of the season with some defensive frailties and poor forward line conversion against top 8 sides. Every side has it's weaknesses though. We consistently beat up on bad sides and struggled against the top sides until later in the year when we improved a bit, that's consistency!

Inexperienced tall players:
Not particularly buying this one either.

Up forward, yes Weideman is young and hasn't played much but the Dogs won the flag with Zaine Cordy and Tom Boyd, the Tigers didn't have a second tall forward, the Cats had Tom Hawkins come alive one year. Big Chrisso Dawes was 22 when the Pies won the flag.

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“Then you look down the other end, you’ve got Oscar McDonald or Sam Frost who are 23 and 25. They’re both slight and inexperienced. They still haven’t played a lot of footy.

“You’ve got one at each end potentially that are a little inexperienced going in against some stars of other sides.”

Down back - Sam Frost is 25 and played 69 AFL games, that's not young nor inexperienced. Oscar is about to turn 23 and has played 62 games. Oscar probably hasn't reached peak physical condition just yet but is far form slight. Isn't a common school of thought that 70 games is a good apprenticeship for most players? Tom Barrass had played 32 games heading in to last years season, played his 51st in the grand final and was aged 22. 

I can think of 3 better concerns:
1. Managing the work loads and potential exits from the side of Lewis and Jones
2. Run and skill from half back - especially if Salem goes in to the midfield and KK and Hunt don't come on we're in trouble
3. Lack of genuine pressure and crumbing small forward - as effective as ANB and Spargo can be they aren't Rioli's.

 

[Demonland 72,217]

3 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Not directly.

 

Thank you.

 

Correction: is known. That's why we don't want to go via the Evil Place.

You can run but you can't hide. 

[BAMF 4,353]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Inconsistencies:

No thanks, not really buying that. How many games was our effort and skill awful really bad in last year - v Hawks in the wet, v Magpies and some terrible moments in the Swans game towards the end of the year. Then of course the prelim. Otherwise almost every week we turned up and had a go. We struggled for most of the season with some defensive frailties and poor forward line conversion against top 8 sides. Every side has it's weaknesses though. We consistently beat up on bad sides and struggled against the top sides until later in the year when we improved a bit, that's consistency!

The last quarter of the 2nd Geelong game could fit in there too. I rewatched it the other day and we looked terrible in that quarter. There is no way we should have lost that game from three quarter time.

Tempted to throw the saints game in here too. We came back strong in the end and nearly pinched it but we were well outplayed by a team who had struggled all year.

Thats 6 games out of 25 where we had patches of terrible form. It's a valid concern he raises.

I think this is the year we put this crap behind us.

Edited February 26, 2019 by BAMF

[Deefiant 441]

25 minutes ago, BAMF said:

The last quarter of the 2nd Geelong game could fit in there too. I rewatched it the other day and we looked terrible in that quarter. There is no way we should have lost that game from three quarter time.

Tempted to throw the saints game in here too. We came back strong in the end and nearly pinched it but we were well outplayed by a team who had struggled all year.

Thats 6 games out of 25 where we had patches of terrible form. It's a valid concern he raises.

I think this is the year we put this crap behind us.

I'd add the Richmond game and the Essendon game. In the richmond game we played one good quarter in the third quarter where they still managed to match us. In the essendon game the first half was a battle of who was less worse.

I think we definitely improved last year in terms of consistency and even the best teams will have some consistency issues but there is still room for us. 

[whatwhat say what 22,773]

lever is a good player returning from injury, we're not inconsistent, and we're not inexperienced

i'd say my three major areas of concern are disposal quality, speed exiting the contest, and complacency

 

[monoccular 17,432]

6 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Plough - a dense metallic object of limited utility

chook - ploughs often get dragged through fields and turn over [censored].  bovine excrement. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by monoccular

[John Crow Batty 8,869]

Whatever his faults, Wallace is a very good tactician and analyst of clubs strengths and weaknesses.  

Edited February 26, 2019 by america de cali

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Wallets has a point about inconsistency.  It's a common thread for young teams. 

The plus being that that we have raised the performance base sufficiently to a place where a drop off is noticed. Rather than being consistently [censored].

Consistency like most facets of our game has been steadily improving.  I am tipping it will continue to improve.

 

 

 

[DV8 2,271]

41 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Wallets has a point about inconsistency.  It's a common thread for young teams. 

The plus being that that we have raised the performance base sufficiently to a place where a drop off is noticed. Rather than being consistently [censored].

Consistency like most facets of our game has been steadily improving.  I am tipping it will continue to improve.

 

 

 

Yes, but he, and they, are just stating the obvious... compared to our past seasonS.  

The character of Our past teams over the decades.

Edited February 27, 2019 by DV8

[In Harmes Way 7,789]

On inconsistency - didn't we win something like 22 quarters in a row mid last year?

Sure we had some off days. No team wins 22 H&A games in a year. We were 1 win off top 4, 2 wins of finishing second. We're maturing, and even with a tougher draw this year I'd expect us to be more consistent this year.

[Demon_spurs 1,853]

The big three issues are:

1. Whether I am wearing the correct colour underwear on game day. (we all know that wearing underwear that has the oppositions colours (including the stitching) is a recipe for disaster

2. When I choose to turn on the radio to listen, e.g. We up by 5 goals and I turn on the radio, and the opposition kick 4 in a row

3. Whether someone you know says before the Game "You guys are a shoo in" or " 5 goals up in the last quarter and your mate says "We can't lose from here"

Address these three things and we should get the job done

[JTR 2,846]

Didn't want to start a new thread...

Having rewatched last years final vs Geelong, one thing I'm looking forward/hoping to seeing some progress on is putting teams away.

5.2 at 1/4 time.

6.13 plus a couple out on the full and multiple missed chances at 3/4 time.

We had them on toast most of the game but lacked the killer punch.

Even though I know what happened in the 4th it was still frustrating as hell.

Bring on Saturday!! 

[RalphiusMaximus 6,054]

Not a terribly impressive analysis.  I'm pretty sure I have three more concerning things:

1. Poor kicking skills
2. Fumbling in tight spaces
3. Terrible plan for entering the forward 50

All much more worrying than individual players.