On 20/01/2019 at 23:11, bingers said:

He reminds me of Hawkins (Geelong) although not as big (obviously) at this stage. He's more mobile though.

More Pavlich for me.

  On 20/01/2019 at 04:12, Ron Burgundy said:

“Weideman falls out of contract at the end of 2019 and although he's not in any rush to discuss an extension, he has made it clear that he wants to stay with the Demons in a long-term capacity.

"I love the Dees so I'm hoping we can work something out which I'm sure will happen in the future," Weideman said.”

It’s nice to read comments like this from a required player in the last year of his contract. Hogan, on the other hand, was always slightly equivocal.

 

I suppose you can at least say that Hogan was not lying. 

love the way he jumps at the ball and his aggressive tackling. good below his knees, and excellent by hand and foot for a big guy. does everything Hogan wouldn't, or couldn't, do as a forward. Hogan does have him covered for running power though, but he will get better the older he gets.

  On 20/01/2019 at 23:11, bingers said:

He reminds me of Hawkins (Geelong) although not as big (obviously) at this stage. He's more mobile though.

Very high hopes. From all accounts a fine young man. (Gee, I sound like a codger... I guess there's a good reason for that!!!)

He seems a bit sharper between the ears than Hawkins who comes across as a slightly beautiful but quite stupid golden retriever.  The nose/height is Pavlich, for style there is something Salmonish about him I reckon, even if not as tall.

Jeez I'm bullish about our chances in preseason

  On 19/01/2019 at 14:43, nosoupforme said:

Weid is a strong customer can take a mark in a pack and  his kicking for goal is very careful.  Playing in rounds 22 and 23 before the finals at a crucial time for us   he acquitted himself well and was more than serviceable. A good replacement for Hogan at the time.                      3 finals , 2 at the G 90 plus attendance   and a hostile WCE  away prelim final.

His best game to date was against Geelong in the first final where he had 24 poss 7 marks and 3 goals and backed it up against Hawthorn kicking 2 vital goals when they counted. Not bad for a 21 yo. in front of 90 thousand plus consecutive games. IMO l have no doubt he has turned the corner and  he can only get better as we have a super team around him  and to support each other. Yes he will be fine no doubt. The Weid was coming of age in the latter part of 2018. This will be his breakout year.

Hogan won't be playing his first final for some time.....

It has been an interesting exercise watching Weid's development.

I was present at some of his earlier games where he didn't seem to have a clue about, as the great Captain Blood would say, "being where the ball's at".

However, the club persevered with him and he has developed both physically and as a player. The culmination being his efforts in last year's finals.

So what must we expect of him this year? Well Hogan has taken 47 goals with him to Freo. It also seems very possible that rule changes will lead to higher scoring this year. Let's just guess a figure and say 5%. That means we have to find  65 goals for this season.

Presumably other players will step up. Nonetheless , Weid as a key forward, should  be a major contributor.

Is it reasonable …………..likely ……………….or even possible that a young and still developing Weid can kick 40 + goals this season?

  On 21/01/2019 at 21:01, Bitter but optimistic said:

It has been an interesting exercise watching Weid's development.

I was present at some of his earlier games where he didn't seem to have a clue about, as the great Captain Blood would say, "being where the ball's at".

However, the club persevered with him and he has developed both physically and as a player. The culmination being his efforts in last year's finals.

So what must we expect of him this year? Well Hogan has taken 47 goals with him to Freo. It also seems very possible that rule changes will lead to higher scoring this year. Let's just guess a figure and say 5%. That means we have to find  65 goals for this season.

Presumably other players will step up. Nonetheless , Weid as a key forward, should  be a major contributor.

Is it reasonable …………..likely ……………….or even possible that a young and still developing Weid can kick 40 + goals this season?

Funny how some of us view goals.

Did Tyson take his 340 possessions? Does Steven May bring 295 possessions?

I like Alistair Clarksons "one soldier out , one soldier in," philosophy.

Hogan as good as he is is not 47 goals better that his replacement. 

I for one think that we will kick more goals in 2019 than 2018 but I am an optimist.

I think we will stop more goals in 2019.

  On 21/01/2019 at 21:01, Bitter but optimistic said:

It has been an interesting exercise watching Weid's development.

I was present at some of his earlier games where he didn't seem to have a clue about, as the great Captain Blood would say, "being where the ball's at".

However, the club persevered with him and he has developed both physically and as a player. The culmination being his efforts in last year's finals.

So what must we expect of him this year? Well Hogan has taken 47 goals with him to Freo. It also seems very possible that rule changes will lead to higher scoring this year. Let's just guess a figure and say 5%. That means we have to find  65 goals for this season.

Presumably other players will step up. Nonetheless , Weid as a key forward, should  be a major contributor.

Is it reasonable …………..likely ……………….or even possible that a young and still developing Weid can kick 40 + goals this season?

Maybe Uncle but Weide brings more than goals. He brings height, disposal skills, defensive pressure, run, forward line balance and flexibility. His ability to pinch hit is also useful with or without Preuss in the team.

He will be as good as the players around him. He is a team player first and foremost.

We will have an agile and mobile forward line with the ball coming in quickly from the midfield. We should continue to see multiple goal kickers week to week. No more long wayward bombs to stationary soldiers or directed at one or two key forwards. .    

  On 21/01/2019 at 00:49, Demon Dude said:

love the way he jumps at the ball and his aggressive tackling. good below his knees, and excellent by hand and foot for a big guy. does everything Hogan wouldn't, or couldn't, do as a forward. Hogan does have him covered for running power though, but he will get better the older he gets.

Pretty much favourite Weid moment for the year (yes inc the EF 3 goals) was his crunching Dangerfield tackle on the wing. Showed a real intent and a bit of mongrel. No way Hogan is making that tackle 

  On 22/01/2019 at 01:05, FarNorthernD said:

Pretty much favourite Weid moment for the year (yes inc the EF 3 goals) was his crunching Dangerfield tackle on the wing. Showed a real intent and a bit of mongrel. No way Hogan is making that tackle 

yeah I loved that moment too. plus he has shown its not a one off in the short amount of games he's played so far, he loves to nail a bloke with a tackle, which is great. it does show a real intent, like you say.

Hogans tackling pressure was Watts like most of the time, useless.

I thought it was also funny that the cats players didn't really remonstrate with Weid after he buried Danger in that tackle. you'd think they would try to put the youngster off his game by coming back at him and getting in his face, but they didn't. Weid must have a bit of presence about him out there on the field.

  On 20/01/2019 at 23:08, dl4e said:

It is more a reference to McGuire and co. They think he should be a pie like his relos and playing for the dees is bit much for them to bear.

Life is full of extremely disappointing tangents, Eddie, in case you did not realise. 

  On 22/01/2019 at 01:44, Deemania since 56 said:

Life is full of extremely disappointing tangents, Eddie, in case you did not realise. 

He grew up following Richmond... not much pie in him

  On 22/01/2019 at 03:57, Ugottobekidding said:

He grew up following Richmond... not much pie in him

Are you sure about that ? I thaught he was filth through and through.

  On 21/01/2019 at 22:01, ManDee said:

Funny how some of us view goals.

Did Tyson take his 340 possessions? Does Steven May bring 295 possessions?

I like Alistair Clarksons "one soldier out , one soldier in," philosophy.

Hogan as good as he is is not 47 goals better that his replacement. 

I for one think that we will kick more goals in 2019 than 2018 but I am an optimist.

Agree, 'MD'

Forward pressure, keeping the ball within scoring opportunity range, is the whole Key. 

Weide needs to bring his effort and wits defensively...  this will create scores, and it doesn't matter who ends up on the end of the attacking chain.

IMO, team goals are the important aspect.

  On 22/01/2019 at 05:40, dl4e said:

Are you sure about that ? I thaught he was filth through and through.

Yup and his boyhood idol was Mathew Richardson.

  On 21/01/2019 at 21:01, Bitter but optimistic said:

It has been an interesting exercise watching Weid's development.

I was present at some of his earlier games where he didn't seem to have a clue about, as the great Captain Blood would say, "being where the ball's at".

However, the club persevered with him and he has developed both physically and as a player. The culmination being his efforts in last year's finals.

So what must we expect of him this year? Well Hogan has taken 47 goals with him to Freo. It also seems very possible that rule changes will lead to higher scoring this year. Let's just guess a figure and say 5%. That means we have to find  65 goals for this season.

Presumably other players will step up. Nonetheless , Weid as a key forward, should  be a major contributor.

Is it reasonable …………..likely ……………….or even possible that a young and still developing Weid can kick 40 + goals this season?

Considering all the flack about grammar on demonland, we can’t let numeracy errors pass.  47 plus 5% is not 65 (try just over 49).  Either way, last year Weids already bettered Jesses 8 goals in 6 games against top 8 teams.  I’m not as fussed about the 39 in 13 games against the rest (which includes 0 against Port).  Weids won’t get as many goals out the back, but you don’t tend to see those types of goals against the good teams.

He's one I'm really looking forward to watch progress, if he can get around the 30 goal mark and become a valuable link man whilst continuing the type of second efforts we saw in the Cats game he will be a great asset to the team.

More than anything it sounds like he's got the confidence to step out and take this opportunity.

  On 22/01/2019 at 10:23, Watson11 said:

Considering all the flack about grammar on demonland, we can’t let numeracy errors pass.  47 plus 5% is not 65 (try just over 49).  Either way, last year Weids already bettered Jesses 8 goals in 6 games against top 8 teams.  I’m not as fussed about the 39 in 13 games against the rest (which includes 0 against Port).  Weids won’t get as many goals out the back, but you don’t tend to see those types of goals against the good teams.

My grasp of Mathematics is not so poor.

The 5% refers to Melbourne's total goals for the season. ( which was 360 odd)

My point, perhaps made with less clarity than I wished ….. and too much claret... was that not only did Hogan's 47 goals need be replaced but also allowance for a 5% increase in total score.

  On 21/01/2019 at 00:39, ProDee said:

More Pavlich for me.

Schnozz for sure.

  On 22/01/2019 at 11:37, Bitter but optimistic said:

My grasp of Mathematics is not so poor.

The 5% refers to Melbourne's total goals for the season. ( which was 360 odd)

My point, perhaps made with less clarity than I wished ….. and too much claret... was that not only did Hogan's 47 goals need be replaced but also allowance for a 5% increase in total score.

Apologies.  That is an impressive calculation under the influence of claret.

  On 22/01/2019 at 11:37, Bitter but optimistic said:

My grasp of Mathematics is not so poor.

The 5% refers to Melbourne's total goals for the season. ( which was 360 odd)

My point, perhaps made with less clarity than I wished ….. and too much claret... was that not only did Hogan's 47 goals need be replaced but also allowance for a 5% increase in total score.

Improving our defence one goal per a half of footy, plus natural improvement from Weideman and our multitude of other goal-kickers renders this a reasonably easy achievement I would have thought.

Just having Viney's ferocious tackling and attack on the footy around the stoppages for 22 rounds instead of 7 also improves the balance between scoring and defending.

Yes, Hogan kicked 47 goals, but we won't be playing a man short.  I see no issue.

  On 22/01/2019 at 11:37, Bitter but optimistic said:

My grasp of Mathematics is not so poor.

The 5% refers to Melbourne's total goals for the season. ( which was 360 odd)

My point, perhaps made with less clarity than I wished ….. and too much claret... was that not only did Hogan's 47 goals need be replaced but also allowance for a 5% increase in total score.

Uncle, if you are going to say that there will be a league-wide increase in scoring of 5%, then all teams will be in the same boat.  But it would then also be fair to presume that our current forwards should also see an increase in their goal kicking tally by the same amount.

Given that we won't be kicking many bombs to a demanding Hogan, and are actually lowering our eyes more going forward, I think it's a fair expectation that TMc, Melksham, Petracca, et al will see their yearly totals surpass that 5% increase that you speak of.

It's fact that we play better football when Hogan isn't in the team.  We are less predictable going forward, and seem to hit the best target more often.  Even though, as you say, Hogan is taking 47 goals with him to Freo, I would actually expect our scoring to increase anyway (even if there weren't any rule changes).

  On 22/01/2019 at 06:23, DV8 said:

Agree, 'MD'

Forward pressure, keeping the ball within scoring opportunity range, is the whole Key. 

Weide needs to bring his effort and wits defensively...  this will create scores, and it doesn't matter who ends up on the end of the attacking chain.

IMO, team goals are the important aspect.

Agree strongly with both MD and yourself; it is encouraging that - even if only in a couple of finals games - the Weed has started to make a difference but defensive skills in that extreme forward role will be critical to a really positive outcome. The Weed has had a few years to make the grade, or to ready himself for the grade, the role/s and the expectations which will continue to change and require minor adjustments as his game deepens and improves. I, too, reckon that we will again be the highest scoring team (kick the most goals) in 2019 and the big Preusse, the Melk and TMac are keys to this, supported by but freeing/releasing the Weed, Hannan and maybe ANB to run riot. Quite a few other forwards will have more opportunities due to the strengthening of our backline and potential penetration from that source, and the midfielders, in their tandem roles, will enjoy picnics on the rug in the shade of the two tall/mobile ends of the ground. Gus, Clarrie, KK and Hunt/Harmes are in my focus, already. 

So we are all assuming that Hogan will kick at least 47 goals for Freo in 2019? From what I've seen around the SM traps he'd be lucky to kick 4.7

A combination of Tmac and Weid with an occasional cameo by Gawn/Preuss will service us just fine. And the i50 ump whinge stat will drop near 100%.

IMO the appearance of Lever, May and Kolo will also see less goals kicked against us.

Edited January 22, 20196 yr by Moonshadow