On 07/05/2019 at 10:27, spirit of norm smith said:

Joel Smith situation is tragic.  Wtf did he continue playing.  Now missed 9 weeks and likely another 6-8 (probably a guess) weeks.  That’s the year with a groin!!!

Word seems to be that it's not just a simple groin, but OP. Thus the shifting timeline.

  On 08/05/2019 at 03:39, Diamond_Jim said:

Weideman plays a decent game albeit at Casey and has soreness.

One has to just laugh... this season is getting better by the week.

Obviously was not getting battered at AFL level, yes funny DJ.

Yes it’s our curse.  It definitely is not just a simple groin. Agree it must be OP.  

  On 07/05/2019 at 11:03, sisso said:

Some reinforcements not too far away if we could possibly hold it together for 3 more weeks...

I think you can forget them having much impact till after the break. But hopefully they can have an impact in the second half of the season.

 

  On 08/05/2019 at 10:03, Demonland said:

 

A problem with Jack's game time being managed in many games this year is that other players stay out longer than they should. 

Last week we played the game out to the last second and won it because we were fit enough and strong enough to see it out.  I wonder if the key players in the last 30 seconds could have done it if they had played an extra 5 minutes each to compensate for Jack being on the bench (had he played) for 25-35% of the game?  A rhetorical question I know.  

If he plays this week I hope he is on the park for about 80% game time otherwise it just hurts the rest of the team.  

He just can't be selfish.   We have won many games without him.  Team first, co-captain!

Edited May 8, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 08/05/2019 at 21:28, Lucifer's Hero said:

A problem with Jack's game time being managed in many games this year is that other players stay out longer than they should. 

Last week we played the game out to the last second and won it because we were fit enough and strong enough to see it out.  I wonder if the key players in the last 30 seconds could have done it if they had played an extra 5 minutes each to compensate for Jack being on the bench (had he played) for 25-35% of the game?  A rhetorical question I know.  

If he plays this week I hope he is on the park for about 80% game time otherwise it just hurts the rest of the team.  

He just can't be selfish.   We have won many games without him.  Team first, co-captain!

I reckon you are onto something there LH.

Also why rush him back and risk a longer period out.

  On 08/05/2019 at 21:36, old dee said:

I reckon you are onto something there LH.

Also why rush him back and risk a longer period out.

Agreed, rest him this week.

Especially as we play WCE at Optus Oval after GCS, on a 6 day break.  Apparently, WCE have stopped training there because of the surface and potential for injury.  The surface will not help Viney's ankle, TMac's toe, Garlett's hamstring soreness or any player that has had leg/foot issues recently.  

To me the season is done re finals so lets not put players at risk of aggravating any 'niggles'.   Rest Viney this week and manage others as best we can in the next few weeks.

Last week showed we can win if we field 22 fit players.

Edited May 8, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 08/05/2019 at 21:47, Lucifer's Hero said:

Agreed, rest him this week.

Especially as we play WCE at Optus Oval after GCS, on a 6 day break.  Apparently, WCE have stopped training there because of the surface and potential for injury.  The surface will not help Viney's ankle, TMac's toe, Garlett's hamstring soreness or any player that has had leg/foot issues recently.  

To me the season is done re finals so lets not put players at risk of aggravating any 'niggles'.   Rest Viney this week and manage others as best we can in the next few weeks.

Last week showed we can win if we field 22 fit players.

You have my vote LH, I wonder why the club does not ring us for advice?

Puzzling!

  On 08/05/2019 at 21:28, Lucifer's Hero said:

A problem with Jack's game time being managed in many games this year is that other players stay out longer than they should. 

Last week we played the game out to the last second and won it because we were fit enough and strong enough to see it out.  I wonder if the key players in the last 30 seconds could have done it if they had played an extra 5 minutes each to compensate for Jack being on the bench (had he played) for 25-35% of the game?  A rhetorical question I know.  

If he plays this week I hope he is on the park for about 80% game time otherwise it just hurts the rest of the team.  

He just can't be selfish.   We have won many games without him.  Team first, co-captain!

Hypothetical question.

If he plays there is no reason for his game time to be managed. He'll be close to full fitness now.

I'd play him. Sends a message that we respect the opposition (as we should - they are above us after all) and that we are focused on winning this game. Also provides an opportunity foe Jack to find some touch before the wc game.

  On 07/05/2019 at 08:44, Pates said:

Garlett - Hamstring - Available

Tim Smith - Back - Available 

Preuss - Shoulder - Test

Viney - Shoulder - 1 week

May - Groin - 3-4 weeks

Lever - Knee - 1 week

Hannan - Knee - 2 weeks

JKH - Knee - 2 weeks

Maynard - Hip - 1 week

AVB - Foot - 6-8 weeks

Joel Smith - Groin - 6-8 weeks

KK - Concussion - TBA

Good to see Lever is almost set for a return, there’s no point in rushing him so I would be giving him half a game at the VFL reserves then up his game time in VFLseniors and assess if match fitness wise when he’s ready. 

Pruess is a chance, but I’m not sure if the Suns are a team we would bring him in for. 

All good at this point - and Viney (tremble) might be good against our opponents, this week, if he handballs well instead of taking-on opponents whilst in possession of the ball.

Preuss at FFwd, leave him there with instructions - Mark, Bring ball to ground, Lead straight out to smallest defender, Kick goals. 

Does anyone know what Weideman's 'soreness' (after last week's Casey game) is?  Didn't see him on the injury report.

Edited May 8, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 08/05/2019 at 23:38, Lucifer's Hero said:

Does anyone know what Weideman's 'soreness' (after last week's Casey game) is?  Didn't see him on the injury report.

Sore loser, perhaps? if he stayed in the seniors he would have been in a winning team.

  On 08/05/2019 at 08:28, bing181 said:

Word seems to be that it's not just a simple groin, but OP. Thus the shifting timeline.

If Smith has OP, I wonder whether this is in any way related to the injury received during the practice match? If not, perhaps all the outrage over him being asked to keep playing may prove to be unwarranted. 

  On 08/05/2019 at 21:47, Lucifer's Hero said:

Agreed, rest him this week.

Especially as we play WCE at Optus Oval after GCS, on a 6 day break.  Apparently, WCE have stopped training there because of the surface and potential for injury.  The surface will not help Viney's ankle, TMac's toe, Garlett's hamstring soreness or any player that has had leg/foot issues recently.  

To me the season is done re finals so lets not put players at risk of aggravating any 'niggles'.   Rest Viney this week and manage others as best we can in the next few weeks.

Last week showed we can win if we field 22 fit players.

On that point I wonder if our brains trust will insist on players wearing decent stops on their boots to stop the debacle  in the Prelim of players falling over like they were ice skating??

Lever getting closer. 

 

 

  On 07/05/2019 at 08:44, Pates said:

Good to see Lever is almost set for a return, there’s no point in rushing him so I would be giving him half a game at the VFL reserves then up his game time in VFLseniors and assess if match fitness wise when he’s ready. 

Pruess is a chance, but I’m not sure if the Suns are a team we would bring him in for. 

The VFL hasn’t had a “reserves” competition since dumping the Development League at the end of 2017.

What's happening with Lever?  Is he doing a mini preseason?

  On 11/05/2019 at 11:38, one_demon said:

What's happening with Lever?  Is he doing a mini preseason?

Id say he has well and truley run enough as he says in the vid just needs the contact training

so it would seem to be it's grown by at least three...

Injury List: Round 9

Jordan Lewis (ankle) – test
Jake Lever (knee) – test
Corey Maynard (hip) – test
Jake Melksham (foot) – est
Sam Weideman (soreness) – test
Mitch Hannan (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Jay Kennedy Harris (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Steven May (groin) – 3-4 weeks
Michael Hibberd (broken collarbone) – 4-8 weeks
Joel Smith (groin) – 6-8 weeks
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks 
Neville Jetta (knee) – 10-12 weeks
Kade Kolodjashnij (concussion) – Indefinite
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite
Aaron Nietschke (knee) – Season

that's a seriously large list of injured players

  On 11/05/2019 at 14:50, whatwhatsaywhat said:

so it would seem to be it's grown by at least three...

Injury List: Round 9

Jordan Lewis (ankle) – test
Jake Lever (knee) – test
Corey Maynard (hip) – test
Jake Melksham (foot) – est
Sam Weideman (soreness) – test
Mitch Hannan (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Jay Kennedy Harris (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Steven May (groin) – 3-4 weeks
Michael Hibberd (broken collarbone) – 4-8 weeks
Joel Smith (groin) – 6-8 weeks
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks 
Neville Jetta (knee) – 10-12 weeks
Kade Kolodjashnij (concussion) – Indefinite
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite
Aaron Nietschke (knee) – Season

that's a seriously large list of injured players

Indeed.

And what i simply don't get is why people don't get this is the key reason why we are playing the way we are playing.

It's one things footy fans drinking the Kool Aid and ignoring the impact of having a quarter of your best players unavailable (not to mention also having a fair wack of your best 22 not fully fit), quite another when media types who are paid to have an opinion also ignore it. I mean, der.

  On 11/05/2019 at 16:29, binman said:

Indeed.

And what i simply don't get is why people don't get this is the key reason why we are playing the way we are playing.

It's one things footy fans drinking the Kool Aid and ignoring the impact of having a quarter of your best players unavailable (not to mention also having a fair wack of your best 22 not fully fit), quite another when media types who are paid to have an opinion also ignore it. I mean, der.

Yes, most of our best twenty-two have either been under-done or injured.  However I'm still seeing the same problems from last year.  Like our inability to hit targets and our insufficiency going forward.

  On 11/05/2019 at 16:29, binman said:

Indeed.

And what i simply don't get is why people don't get this is the key reason why we are playing the way we are playing.

It's one things footy fans drinking the Kool Aid and ignoring the impact of having a quarter of your best players unavailable (not to mention also having a fair wack of your best 22 not fully fit), quite another when media types who are paid to have an opinion also ignore it. I mean, der.

@binman - I agree with the sentiment - AND to add another layer, I find it incredible to see that the replacements cannot hit targets consistently, and surely they should be able to, or even take one grab marks... 

Mind you... it's not just Melbourne - its 13/14 other teams also. 

  On 11/05/2019 at 14:50, whatwhatsaywhat said:

so it would seem to be it's grown by at least three...

Injury List: Round 9

Jordan Lewis (ankle) – test
Jake Lever (knee) – test
Corey Maynard (hip) – test
Jake Melksham (foot) – est
Sam Weideman (soreness) – test
Mitch Hannan (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Jay Kennedy Harris (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Steven May (groin) – 3-4 weeks
Michael Hibberd (broken collarbone) – 4-8 weeks
Joel Smith (groin) – 6-8 weeks
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks 
Neville Jetta (knee) – 10-12 weeks
Kade Kolodjashnij (concussion) – Indefinite
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite
Aaron Nietschke (knee) – Season

that's a seriously large list of injured players

Heard Damien Hardwick having a whinge about injuries to Richmond the other day, he said something like 'Some luck would be nice'.

They barely had an injury for years and won a  flag off the back of a full list to choose from.  What a whining little [censored] he is.

  On 11/05/2019 at 14:50, whatwhatsaywhat said:

so it would seem to be it's grown by at least three...

Injury List: Round 9

Jordan Lewis (ankle) – test
Jake Lever (knee) – test
Corey Maynard (hip) – test
Jake Melksham (foot) – est
Sam Weideman (soreness) – test
Mitch Hannan (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Jay Kennedy Harris (knee) – 1-2 weeks
Steven May (groin) – 3-4 weeks
Michael Hibberd (broken collarbone) – 4-8 weeks
Joel Smith (groin) – 6-8 weeks
Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks 
Neville Jetta (knee) – 10-12 weeks
Kade Kolodjashnij (concussion) – Indefinite
Guy Walker (shoulder) – Indefinite
Aaron Nietschke (knee) – Season

that's a seriously large list of injured players

That's fifteen... if I understand correctly there are 40 on an AFL list plus 7 rookies.

Perhaps we may need to call some demonlanders up for a game.

PS: There was a time several years back when Collingwoood had to advertise for players to make up their VFL numbers