Pleasantly surprised by the second half of his season.

Well done .... now is your time to progress and show your true value 

Dominates VFL in 2017, gets a new 1 year deal, doesn't do much at AFL level, coasts through preseason from the sessions I saw, did little at Casey for half a year, then all of a sudden finds some form, gets back in the team and plays like a guy with some flaws but still something to offer. 

Was one of the most energetic trainers when he arrived at the club. If he trains to his absolute max over summer I think he'd find the space and tempo he's missing at AFL level. Still young enough that he can make that leap from boy to man.

Step up or pack up.

Wrote him off before returning this year, but showed he was willing to work hard and fight his way back with a solid impact in most matches to finish the year in our best 22.

Might be the silk we need if he works as hard again through the pre season.

Happy with a 1 year deal.

Finally played a decent game and then got dropped, but that's life on the fringes.

Even at his best I wouldn't say he was in our best 26, but a better option than the guys we've delisted.

JKH should have been delisted at the end of 2017, but we stupidly gave him a new contract mid-season. Here we are two years later and he is still hanging around. I can't see where he has improved since his debut in 2014, but clearly others see something that I don't.

1 hour ago, poita said:

JKH should have been delisted at the end of 2017, but we stupidly gave him a new contract mid-season. Here we are two years later and he is still hanging around. I can't see where he has improved since his debut in 2014, but clearly others see something that I don't.

Can't disagree with that.

35 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Can't disagree with that.

Double negatives always confuse me. Does that mean you agree?

If he was playing in the GF on Saturday I suspect he would have been brushed aside and have no impact - can't see why we are persevering to be honest 

Hopefully he can prove otherwise 

2 hours ago, poita said:

JKH should have been delisted at the end of 2017, but we stupidly gave him a new contract mid-season. Here we are two years later and he is still hanging around. I can't see where he has improved since his debut in 2014, but clearly others see something that I don't.

Well it's quite clear others know more about these matters than you do.

When looking at contracting players you need to see them as:

-development players with potential or having particular skills or blend of skills 

-young established players in your best 22.

-players brought in from other clubs with a particular skill set or role.

-elite players that you build a team around.

Players that have been around for a few years and not cracked the big time should not be retained. You are better off bringing in young development players or players from other clubs. 

 

 

On 9/29/2018 at 1:52 AM, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Certainly getting most out of himself and won’t retire wondering what could have been.

I wonder if he might be trialled down back next year?  Doesn’t have the speed or smarts to be an AFL small forward, struggles with the pace and skills in the midfield... could he be trialled as a small defender in the mould of Neville Jetta..?

I worry that Demonland groupthink might have labelled JKH as "not fast". Having watched him this year, I'd say he does have speed. Not sure, though, about his tank or his smarts but what I saw this year suggests he's worth persevering with. He's now ahead of Garlett (although that could change) and I expect Spargo will eventually transition to a midfield role so there may well be a small forward role waiting for him to grasp with both hands if he's good enough.

I think there’s ‘fast’ and there’s AFL small forward ‘fast’.  He doesn’t have that lightning burst of speed that allows him to get separation, then time to steady and kick accurately.  

He has the sort of pace that he can play further up the ground, but seems to struggle for separation when he has a close checking opponent.

People do realise you need depth players just in case? 

A 1 year deal on most likely relatively small amount of coin is good for both parties.

12 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think there’s ‘fast’ and there’s AFL small forward ‘fast’.  He doesn’t have that lightning burst of speed that allows him to get separation, then time to steady and kick accurately.  

He has the sort of pace that he can play further up the ground, but seems to struggle for separation when he has a close checking opponent.

I'm not being pedantic, but just trying to clarify. Are you saying he doesn't have the necessary acceleration to get to "fast pace" quickly enough?

13 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think there’s ‘fast’ and there’s AFL small forward ‘fast’.  He doesn’t have that lightning burst of speed that allows him to get separation, then time to steady and kick accurately.  

He has the sort of pace that he can play further up the ground, but seems to struggle for separation when he has a close checking opponent.

He's added a lot of bulk which might have impacted his speed. I think its worked for him with him dominating a few games this year for Casey and in the seniors he seems to be sticking tackles a lot better which was always his key strength when he was drafted.

I'm still not sure of what his position is in the seniors. Was hoping he could become more a small key defender in time with his good tackling and contested work. Just needs to spend a lot of time one on one with Nev and learn the ropes.

15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm not being pedantic, but just trying to clarify. Are you saying he doesn't have the necessary acceleration to get to "fast pace" quickly enough?

Yeah.

He’ll never have the Garlett, Davey, Farmer acceleration. Hannan and Spargo get that separation, Petracca tries to use his physicality instead.  JKH never seems to have time or space when close to goal.

On 9/29/2018 at 12:12 AM, Adzman said:

With the delistings, retirements and rumors swirling about vanders, Hogan and Kent it makes food sense to lock him up. He could be in the mix for round 1 given the potential list turnover.

I'm hoping he has a massive 2019

what are the vanders rumours?

 

8 hours ago, hemingway said:

When looking at contracting players you need to see them as:

-development players with potential or having particular skills or blend of skills 

-young established players in your best 22.

-players brought in from other clubs with a particular skill set or role.

-elite players that you build a team around.

Players that have been around for a few years and not cracked the big time should not be retained. You are better off bringing in young development players or players from other clubs. 

 

Port tried that last year, got them absolutely nowhere.

It's a work place as well as a cut throat list management business. There's value in having guys who have been around for a while, know the coaches, know the game plan, gel well with team mates and don't need extra resources diverted to them.

Carlton and GC are taking 5 of the best mature players out of the system. Delistings from another teams rarely work out, they've been cut for a reason. 

Jetta and Pedersen are two guys we've got a heap of games out of that I thought should've been let go years before they became important players. It's a low strike rate but so is taking late round rookies or delisted players from other sides.

39 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Port tried that last year, got them absolutely nowhere.

It's a work place as well as a cut throat list management business. There's value in having guys who have been around for a while, know the coaches, know the game plan, gel well with team mates and don't need extra resources diverted to them.

Carlton and GC are taking 5 of the best mature players out of the system. Delistings from another teams rarely work out, they've been cut for a reason. 

Jetta and Pedersen are two guys we've got a heap of games out of that I thought should've been let go years before they became important players. It's a low strike rate but so is taking late round rookies or delisted players from other sides.

food for thought DS, let me sleep on it.

Ew.

I prefer JKH on the wing to one paced inside mids like Jones and Tyson. 

JKH plays a disciplined role as a winger, does not automatically go into the contest so gives width, runs hard to cover for defenders who've left their forward etc and is not treacle slow.

 

 

I must be going nuts. I could’ve sworn this was already announced.

Just now, P-man said:

I must be going nuts. I could’ve sworn this was already announced.

I've merged the threads now. The Dees just posted that now and as I'm writing this they're mentioning it on Trade Radio. Weird.