Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Ethan Tremblay 30,976]

1 minute ago, Grimes Times said:

Weideman would also be a great option as CHB. Played U18 games there and showed he could play the position.

I wouldn’t mind Weed going back at all. 

[ProperDee 1,698]

58 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

How would Hogan go on Buddy, Ben Brown or a Joe Danniher type. If the answer is for Hogan to play in defence that actually strengthens the argument to trade him and a trade should be sought before any such move was to happen. If Hogan was to play in defence it would be an admissioyn of defeat.

The no.1 trait of a key defender isn’t contested marking or kicking, it’s the ability to beat your opponent. That can be by out marking his opponent, but it can also be by punching/spoiling the footy. In order to be at the contest you also have to have the physical attributes to match up against some of the games best forwards. Hogan is a great mark leading up onto the ball but that doesn’t necessarily translate to outmarking fwds that just up at the footy.  As for kicking, yes Hogan uses the ball well when passing by foot while others such as Frost and Omac often get criticised by their disposal but that’s why we’ve got the likes of Salem and Lewis down there. All players are required to kick the footy but there have been numerous times in most games where the ball could/should be passed off to our better users of the footy.

In short I’d rather another gun mid than Hogan playing at CHB.

Firstly, Brown and Daniher are FF’s. Buddy traditionally plays at CHF. But regardless, game day match ups are horses for courses. Frost to Franklin last week is the perfect example.  

Jonathan Brown, one of the modern era’s best forwards has been highly critical of Hogan’s positioning and leading methods and it’s hard to disagree with. He can get away with it against the lesser quality defenders but struggles again the better opponents. 

Perhaps playing at CHB would give him the opportunity to study the techniques of the competitions best key position forwards close up and learn from them. He is big, strong, agile and has a good tank. We are in desperate need of a quality key defender and Jesse could fit the bill until he is more prepared to take up a forward role. It certainly didn’t do David Neitz any harm.

In direct contrast to you, I’d rather keep Jesse Hogan and try him at CHB than get another mid. Our current group of midfielders seem to do ok I think....

 

[Moonshadow 17,677]

5 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wouldn’t mind Weed going back at all. 

Or going back to weed ?

Edited August 15, 2018 by Moonshadow

[Je Roos Salem 661]

On 8/12/2018 at 6:45 PM, north westerly said:

I’m not one to sensationalise, but do we honestly think he’s the answer at FF.

Trade him for two first rounders while he has some currency !

The answer? He's the best FF we've had since Neitz, do you wanna just try a skinny kid in the draft who can't get near the thing?

[beelzebub 23,383]

9 hours ago, Je Roos Salem said:

The answer? He's the best FF we've had since Neitz, do you wanna just try a skinny kid in the draft who can't get near the thing?

Please ... he's no Neeta.

Neeta could kick ..and from 50-60 out....when it mattered.

[beelzebub 23,383]

"The news that Jesse Hogan is out of contention to play with the Demons until 2019 after suffering a foot injury during their nine-point loss to the Swans at the MCG last Sunday might have sent feelings of shock and aware through the community of Demon supporters but I’m not overly concerned about the fact that the club’s key forward will be sidelined for the rest of the season.

The reason why is that Melbourne seems to produce its best wins without Hogan in the team"

 

Food for thought ...surely !!

[Jack son 5 162]

Hogan only 4 to 6.

[junk 342]

If the weed does well against west coast and  gws as a forward/ruckman  then would it make sense to trade HOGAN?

[Ante_Up 69]

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

"The news that Jesse Hogan is out of contention to play with the Demons until 2019 after suffering a foot injury during their nine-point loss to the Swans at the MCG last Sunday might have sent feelings of shock and aware through the community of Demon supporters but I’m not overly concerned about the fact that the club’s key forward will be sidelined for the rest of the season.

The reason why is that Melbourne seems to produce its best wins without Hogan in the team"

 

Food for thought ...surely !!

I wish we played with shock and aware

[4_Kent_Watts 892]

5 hours ago, Jack son 5 said:

Hogan only 4 to 6.

Unfortunately seems to be a reoccurring theme at our club for some years now when it comes to our players and feet.

[CityDee 738]

Why would you trade a bloke with elite agility and running capacity .

Im happy with 40 goals a year as a roaming foward.

And what a credit Jesse is to himself and family after losing his father and battling cancer himself last year .

some wouldnt be able to front up after that . He has kicked on- great character. Particularly for a 23 year old . 

He is a good guy also  making time for fans post game . 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

Just do it

[DV8 2,271]

On 8/17/2018 at 12:08 PM, CityDee said:

Why would you trade a bloke with elite agility and running capacity .

Im happy with 40 goals a year as a roaming foward.

And what a credit Jesse is to himself and family after losing his father and battling cancer himself last year .

some wouldnt be able to front up after that . He has kicked on- great character. Particularly for a 23 year old . 

He is a good guy also  making time for fans post game . 

* For jKelly.

* ....  plus an early pick, For Shiel and Whitfield.

*has anyone mentioned Lachie Neale yet ?

[CityDee 738]

5 minutes ago, DV8 said:

* For jKelly.

* ....  plus an early pick, For Shiel and Whitfield.

*has anyone mentioned Lachie Neale yet ?

That is a different scenario if Jesse wanted to go home thats what id expect as a trade 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

No, we need to keep Jesse at Casey as a backup for Pedo. Pedo can't play 5 games a year forever, you know.

[GCDee 3,199]

Jesse is a fantastic player. We will not trade him unless he requests a trade back to WA. 

If this does happen we would get 2 first rounders plus some I would imagine. 

 

[DV8 2,271]

5 minutes ago, CityDee said:

That is a different scenario if Jesse wanted to go home thats what id expect as a trade 

of course.

Only if Jesse wants to, 'go west young man'.

.

Edited August 19, 2018 by DV8

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,869]

I would be extremely surprised (and disappointed) if Jesse wanted to go and play for Ross Lyon . . . 

[rpfc 28,781]

1 hour ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Just do it

What a time to throw this into the fire...

I would prefer Hogan stays and you go.

[spirit of norm smith 16,589]

Hogan to be traded.  No way. He has the ability to take us to number 1. We must show the loyalty to the group. 

If his personal issues mean he wants to go home, then we need to consider that. But not looking to offload Jesse. Remember he’s still only 22-23.

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Maybe we can give this a rest for a while.

Hogan has done his bit to help us get to the September, hope his recovery goes well and let’s look forward to Weideman for whatever comes for the remainder of the season.

Edited August 19, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

18 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Maybe we can give this a rest for a while.

Wouldn't it be nice. He could kick 80 and win a coleman and you'd see "sell high" threads starting about him.

Interestingly, even in the wake of some joy for Melbourne and their biggest fan in the media, it seems Kingy has been on the D'land boards...

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/20/should-melbourne-entertain-the-thought-of-trading-jesse-hogan/

[Deespicable 2,886]

7 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Wouldn't it be nice. He could kick 80 and win a coleman and you'd see "sell high" threads starting about him.

Interestingly, even in the wake of some joy for Melbourne and their biggest fan in the media, it seems Kingy has been on the D'land boards...

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/08/20/should-melbourne-entertain-the-thought-of-trading-jesse-hogan/

Yes it's a great topic and one that I hope the Dees are discussing with both Jesse and his management.

Clearly if Jesse wants to stay, then we should make every effort to keep him, but if there's a doubt and he has real interest in heading home, then it's worth considering and taking a rational path and plan.

Jesse is a huge talent (arguably our most natural talent since Allen Jakovich), yet he is also our biggest off-field problem and whilst footy clubs cover up indiscretions of stars, they can prove costly to team harmony because having one rule for one player and a different set of rules for others can create divisions - just look at Gary Ablett's impact at Geelong this year.

The other factor to consider is that Freo, as Kingy mentions, has a pick that would go some way to meet our requirements - pick 6 or 7. personally I reckon we would want their 2019 second round pick as well of we went down that path. With their pick 6 or 7 we would most likely have the potential to draft whichever King brother remains available or if we wanted to make a play for Jack Billings, it would give us the ammunition to get that deal done - I'd want the Saints second rounder for 2019 in return for Billings and our acquired pick 6 or 7 though.

Ultimately the club has to weigh it up and insiders would have the biggest idea of Jesse's wish to stay in Melbourne. If I was on the Dees admin I'd be having a serious off-the-record chat with Harmsey about it.

 

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,152]

We play a different style of game when Jesse isn’t there. 

I would be playing him in the backline next year at CHB/HBF. He is very mobile and could be very useful

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

Ah the experts are now where many of us were at a  few weeks back.

Interesting that King mentions trading Jess for pick 7...easy decision ....No.

It gets harder for Freo's next 2 first rounders ..but I would want to be sure about the AFL's position on priority picks for Carlton and the Suns. Would also be influenced by what we could ontrade for given the spare salary cap.

A mature club looks at these things with a hard head.