On 13/10/2018 at 05:25, Grand New Flag said:

Hogan staying is by far the best outcome for the Dees. Jesse is a gun, he is well on the way to being a generational forward. We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder. Further the rule changes are to Hogan’s advantages.  Life just got a hell of a lot easier for the power forward.

With Weeds coming of age the Dees have the luxury of moving Tommy into the backline on the rare occasion we come up against 3 power forwards like WC. Alternatively we can play 3 power forwards or move JH into to midfield. However, most likely is the endless rotation of the forwards including Gawn like we saw last season. This confused the opposition and continuously allowed the Dees to find a mismatch in the forward 50.

The footy gods have smiled on us. The rule changes are a massive advantage to those who have dominant ruck, clearance and power forwards. They are a massive advantage to the teams that are already very offensive. With Jesse we can win the Premiership next year. In fact we should be favourites. Richmond’s poor clearance work will be a bigger disadvantage with the new rules.

I agree someone said to me today how can dees have hogan, McDonald, weideman and potentially preuss/gawn combo up forward, I said the new 6-6-6 helps us enormously, get a quick clearance and good luck stopping all 4 of those and with a couple of crumbers in spargo/Garlett and track and milkshake, will be interesting to see how teams combat this I think 3 talls and 3 smalls is ideal for the new rules, maxy might not need to float forward much can do what he likes 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:36, Redleg said:

Freo had 6 and will get 5 for Neale.

If Neale is traded they would have had both picks. 

Freo chose to get rid of 6.

If I'm not mistaken..the disposal of 6 allowed them more picks to facilitate not just the potential Lobb deal but other targets.

This is what I meant that in order for all the deals to happen they wouldn't have two to give us.

  On 13/10/2018 at 01:32, ProDee said:

I can't agree.  And I fail to see any profound "objectivity".

So Jesse goes to the club and says, "look, my preference is to return to WA if you can get a deal done".  We say, "sure, Jesse, but if we can't we're going to play you in defence for the next 5 years".  "You'll not only be happy about it you'll also be signing a new long-term deal."  "How does that sound ?"  "But but I'm a young gun key forward !"  "You were, Jesse, you were."

I'm not buying what you're selling Old, and I sure as hell don't think Jesse is either. 

Lever went for picks 10 and 16.  Picks 5 and 23 are better than picks 10 and 16, although some of the nuffies might try and argue otherwise.  Try and get the deal done.

And there's a synergy with pick 23, which a few years back Taylor turned into Frost, Stretch, and Neal-Bullen.  I'm very confident Taylor can unearth a 150 game player with pick 23, or potentially even turn it into a lower pick.

We'll agree to differ.

Hogan will never be a defender. He does not play like one, his defensive pressure is poor, he has a turning circle like the Queen Mary and his second efforts are non existent. He is simply not agile enough. Put him down back with Oscar? I don’t think so. Poor old Nev would have to cover both. 

A gun forward who could kick 100 placed down back for team balance playing on forwards with half his capability. Hogan would be delighted! How to demotivate a player in one move. Your playing at CHB this season son for reasons of team balance.  That ok? Don’t worry you will still get 850k per year. 

Take it for the team!

Thank god there are only 159 days until the footy starts again and we have something else to discuss....

 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:34, beelzebub said:

See..that's spin..

We are happy to take a first and second round pick.

The reality is we were never really expecting 2 firsts because as many deduce given what everyone is trying to accomplish there just wouldn't be 2 firsts available to do this deal if others done. I'm pretty confident Josh knows this only too well.

Exactly.

Not uncommon for negotiations to start with ambit claims from both sides.

We ask for 6 & another first rounder, they offer 11 & a second rounder. They should have eventually got to a median position of 6 & a second rounder. Therefore we get what we want ..May. They get what they want .. Hogan.

But they decide to sell pick 6 for some reason that escapes me, they don't have the 5 they were expecting and they have nowhere to go.

Just plain amateurs who have outsmarted themselves.

If they manage to get pick 5 I think the deal will still happen. Only because we are a professional outfit with a clear outcome in mind.

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:45, hemingway said:

Hogan will never be a defender. He does not play like one, his defensive pressure is poor, he has a turning circle like the Queen Mary and his second efforts are non existent. He is simply not agile enough. Put him down back with Oscar? I don’t think so. Poor old Nev would have to cover both. 

A gun forward who could kick 100 placed down back for team balance playing on forwards with half his capability. Hogan would be delighted! How to demotivate a player in one move. Your playing at CHB this season son for reasons of team balance.  That ok? Don’t worry you will still get 850k per year. 

Take it for the team!

The 2012 NAB AFL All-Australian team

Defenders: Sam Colquhoun (SA), Matt Scharenberg (SA), Luke McDonald (Vic Metro), Jimmy Toumpas (SA), Jesse Hogan (WA), Nick Vlastuin (Vic Metro)
 
Midfield: James Aish (SA), Oliver Wines (Vic Country), Lachie Whitfield (Vic Country), Brodie Grundy (SA), Jonathon O'Rourke (Vic Metro), Nathan Hrovat (Vic Metro)
 
Forwards: Jack Billings (Vic Metro), Taylor Garner (Vic Country), Jack Martin (WA), Ben Kennedy (SA), Joe Daniher (Vic Metro), Matthew McDonough (SA)
 
Interchange: Andrew Boston (QLD), Dayle Garlett (WA), Jake Neade (NT), Jackson Thurlow (TAS)
 

hogan was named at chb in the 2012 u/18 all oz, but he played forward for wa and was dominant in several matches

he's an absolute jet and i for one hope we don't lose him

Like everyone here, I was a Hogan fan.

But his seemingly non-committal approach to the club always irked me. He seems to lack passion for the place - and that, to me at least, is an important intangible that our more important players simply have to possess.

That he has now requested a trade to Freo, means that I can no longer get excited about the bloke - it’s as though he’s merely treading water in the red and the blue.

I’d be super happy with May and a top ten pick for him.

 

Edited October 13, 20186 yr by Ron Burgundy

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:49, GM11 said:

Exactly.

Not uncommon for negotiations to start with ambit claims from both sides.

We ask for 6 & another first rounder, they offer 11 & a second rounder. They should have eventually got to a median position of 6 & a second rounder. Therefore we get what we want ..May. They get what they want .. Hogan.

But they decide to sell pick 6 for some reason that escapes me, they don't have the 5 they were expecting and they have nowhere to go.

Just plain amateurs who have outsmarted themselves.

If they manage to get pick 5 I think the deal will still happen. Only because we are a professional outfit with a clear outcome in mind.

See my post above. Do people only post here and not read other posts?

As an aside, Hogan should speak to the Wizz about whether he has any regrets.

 

 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:25, Grand New Flag said:

Hogan staying is by far the best outcome for the Dees. We were always going to be a weaker team next season if Hogan left even with May and another first rounder.

Rubbish.

May and another first rounder used or traded for an existing player would have more impact overall on our team next year. Include KK, Pruess and Toby Bedford and that list quickly becomes the AFL team to beat over the next 5 years.

Stick to the riddles mate.

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:20, faultydet said:

Not sure I agree with that.

In his statement, Bell made it crystal clear that we were asking too much for Hogan, without actually saying exactly what it was. We have all been hearing "2 first rounders", and that plays into his story perfectly, and gives cover for any supposed nefarious reasons.

 

I for one cannot stand the "I know something but I wont tell you" crowd, and suspect that people are simply trying to make a name for themselves.   edit(Hmm, if Chook in perth is saying things, there may be something to it)

Hogan is still a Dee, and while very disappointed about missing out on May, Hogan is still quite a player.

He is not "still quite a player"  he is a hell of a lot better than that! And May is no worlbeater. His game against Dees recently was awful and he is a hothead

club should leap in and offer Jesse a new minimum three year contract.  I am delighted by this development 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:17, ProDee said:

Look, it's not just Nixon questioning Hogan.  Karl Langdon has done it and even our own Chook from Perth said he was worried about defamation if he revealed what he knew.

Clearly, there are significant off-field issues being discussed about Hogan within the AFL community.

Are they true ?  Is there substance to them ?  I don't know.  But it doesn't help our hand at the trade table. 

But, by all means denigrate anyone who repeats them, as is the want of supporters who don't like such things being said about one of their players.  Better to denigrate the person retelling what they hear than think anything like that could possibly be true.

Nixon, Langdon or 'Chook from Perth' hardly comprise the AFL community.

One an outcast the other a big mouth with little of substance to say, just a peg above Brad Hardy who should just about be on cue to open his mouth again.

I wouldn't give you "2 Bob" for the thoughts Nixon or Langdon.

'Chook' is a different story, a good poster with a record to match.

...but I'm not sure he was pointing his remarks at Jesse or certain people/culture within the Freo footy club. He was a bit cryptic as he should have been.

 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:55, Ron Burgundy said:

Like everyone here, I was a Hogan fan.

But his seemingly non-committal approach to the club always irked me. He seems to lack passion for the place - and that, to me at least, is an important intangible that our more important players simply have to possess.

That he has now requested a trade to Freo, means that I can no longer get excited about the bloke - it’s as though he’s merely treading water in the red and the blue.

I’d be super happy with May and a top ten pick for him.

 

I'm not certain he actually requested a trade.His management said that he was happy with either outcome

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:05, rjay said:

Nixon, Langdon or 'Chook from Perth' hardly comprise the AFL community.

One an outcast the other a big mouth with little of substance to say, just a peg above Brad Hardy who should just about be on cue to open his mouth again.

I wouldn't give you "2 Bob" for the thoughts Nixon or Langdon.

'Chook' is a different story, a good poster with a record to match.

...but I'm not sure he was pointing his remarks at Jesse or certain people/culture within the Freo footy club. He was a bit cryptic as he should have been.

 

Tom Browne also inferred there could be off-field issues.

But look mate, it doesn't matter what you think of these individuals I don't believe they've simply made things up. 

They've been told.  So, in essence, whether they're flawed individuals or not, it doesn't matter.

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:08, Farmer said:

I'm not certain he actually requested a trade.His management said that he was happy with either outcome

No, Mahoney said Jesse came to the club and said he'd like to return to Perth if it could be orchestrated.

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:04, Farmer said:

He is not "still quite a player"  he is a hell of a lot better than that! And May is no worlbeater. His game against Dees recently was awful and he is a hothead

club should leap in and offer Jesse a new minimum three year contract.  I am delighted by this development 

As mentioned above, there may be solid reasons for the Freo withdrawal.

In life, you cant keep missing pitches when it's your job not to.

Looking forward to Wednesday arv when we can put all of this behind us.

Nixon has no credibility 

Edited October 13, 20186 yr by chook fowler

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:09, ProDee said:

No, Mahoney said Jesse came to the club and said he'd like to return to Perth if it could be orchestrated.

Where's the actual quote for that?  On the club website:

"He's got to make up his mind whether he wants to leave," Mahoney said.

Which means that it was not a simple request to return.

Edited October 13, 20186 yr by sue

Langdon and Nixon. Bahaha. Hahaha. FFS. 

  On 13/10/2018 at 05:55, skills32 said:

See my post above. Do people only post here and not read other posts?

If you mean I may have posted an opinion similar to yours, well gosh I apologize profusely.

Of course if that didn't happen this thread would have about 300 less posts.

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:12, sue said:

Where's the actua quote for that?

It’s on the MFC website.

The article is entitled ‘Melbourne is waiting upon a reasonable Freo offer’ or something similar.

 

A reminder not to post rumours, innuendo and the like, whether it's true or not.

Even alluding to something without explicitly stating it can you get you and Demonland in legal trouble. 

They also have the potential to hurt Jesse and the club. 

All such posts will be removed. 

"I saw it on Ricky Nixon's twitter account" is not going to hold up in court. 

Edited October 13, 20186 yr by Grapeviney

  On 13/10/2018 at 06:16, GM11 said:

If you mean I may have posted an opinion similar to yours, well gosh I apologize profusely.

Of course if that didn't happen this thread would have about 300 less posts.

No I explained why Freo Traded pick 6

Lol Ricky Nixon put a tweet about Tom Bellchambers potentially going to the saints and Bellchamberd called him out on it on twitter.

The guy is a [censored] nut job and should not be taken serious.