Something that I don’t think anyone has considered is money. He’s 24 next year and in the last year of his contract, obviously none of us know how much he’s on but it would be fair to assume it would be quite substantial. Part of his contract would of been based on potential and the go home factor. This next contract should be naturally larger and his “payday”. But if his inability to perform in big games continues or a potential move to defence was to occur (I can’t see this happening, I think he would change clubs to where he could play forward) then he would/should be offered a contract that reflects his worth to the team. This could result in a significant difference between what we’re offering a what another club may offer. 

35 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Something that I don’t think anyone has considered is money. He’s 24 next year and in the last year of his contract, obviously none of us know how much he’s on but it would be fair to assume it would be quite substantial. Part of his contract would of been based on potential and the go home factor. This next contract should be naturally larger and his “payday”. But if his inability to perform in big games continues or a potential move to defence was to occur (I can’t see this happening, I think he would change clubs to where he could play forward) then he would/should be offered a contract that reflects his worth to the team. This could result in a significant difference between what we’re offering a what another club may offer. 

Great insight. Pay on hitting KPIs and performance, not so much potential (just my opinion). Would like to see him tear some big name teams apart next year to justify uber $$$.

No too trading Hogan! His spot should be CHF. 

There are to be some stiff players next season who won’t be in the best 22.

Viney, Hogan, Lever, Gaff all to fill a spot! 

18 hours ago, DV8 said:

Let me put it this way...  I like Jesse Hogan... and I am virtually the first on here to push for us to recruit him,,, in the very first place when he was a 17Yr old, or younger !

Now I was also the one pushing for us to recruit Weideman.

I was also the main one pushing for us to play TMc as a CHF/Follower,,, when we got injuries to Gawn and Spencer.

 

14 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

(which you're backtracking on now, but I've PROVEN you want to do above, not that I expect you to see the simple fact I've shone a light on) is to debunk the ridiculous, and frankly absurd idea that the club gets anywhere with the trade you propose.

Get this through your head. I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED ANOTHER BIG NAME MIDFIELDER. Why? Because I'm not stupid. You can think what you want, but you open yourself up to ridicule when you try to pass your crackpot theories off as "facts."

If we do need another player, midfielder or otherwise, there's plenty of other avenues to take.

 

5 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Something that I don’t think anyone has considered is money. He’s 24 next year and in the last year of his contract, obviously none of us know how much he’s on but it would be fair to assume it would be quite substantial. Part of his contract would of been based on potential and the go home factor. This next contract should be naturally larger and his “payday”. But if his inability to perform in big games continues

 

4 hours ago, -Ⓥ- said:

Great insight. Pay on hitting KPIs and performance, not so much potential (just my opinion)

 

maybe

On 8/20/2018 at 4:05 PM, Dappa Dan said:

Pointing out facts, DV. You should be used to it by now.

No, playing the man DD.

You remind me of a wannabe TV star doing the rounds.   Short on talent but will do anything to get a gig.

 

This one, Andy Lee, happens to be a Carton supporter.

 

 

Edited August 22, 20186 yr by DV8

Bad idea.

He's not going to want to go to Freo they are rubbish. And I'm not sure it's great idea to make one of our main rivals (West Coast) stronger while weakening our forward options. 

 

 

2 hours ago, DV8 said:

No, playing the man DD.

DV... Mate...

What the hell are you talking about.

What's this now. 10th quote and you're still full of hot air? Still haven't said anything new? Keep digging.

On 8/20/2018 at 6:44 PM, DV8 said:

 

 

So here we ware again. 

What I want is to get class Mids onto OUR list.  the easiest way we can.

I think what you want in all this is just to be malicious.

 

Let me put it this way...  I like Jesse Hogan... and I am virtually the first on here to push for us to recruit him,,, in the very first place when he was a 17Yr old, or younger !

Now I was also the one pushing for us to recruit Weideman.

I was also the main one pushing for us to play TMc as a CHF/Follower,,, when we got injuries to Gawn and Spencer.

 

And now it is,  I am pushing for us to recruit a topline classy experienced mid... but the key to doing this is,,, what have we got to use to satisfy another club. If we identify a player that suits these needs.

 

So you see, what I want are classy mids, in RednBlue_  Not to trade out a player who I really like.  The crux is, we have to give up something, to get something we really need.

 

So I am trying to be creative.

What is it you think you are trying to do?

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Lol weren't you banned from Demonland around this period for a couple of years??

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

I noted an article ( behind paywall...but quickly read at cafe ) ..Jay Clark HS ..other day writing along lines some here ( myself included ) suggest as to are we better/ worse ..with or without Jesse and what is his actual value...is ..as player...or tradable asset ?

Almost like he read this thread ??

I still think it's a valid  question deserving of more than dismissive rhetoric.

Is he necessary to a flag ? I don't  think as much as what his worth might get in some A mid(s) etc.

18 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

I noted an article ( behind paywall...but quickly read at cafe ) ..Jay Clark HS ..other day writing along lines some here ( myself included ) suggest as to are we better/ worse ..with or without Jesse and what is his actual value...is ..as player...or tradable asset ?

Almost like he read this thread ??

I still think it's a valid  question deserving of more than dismissive rhetoric.

Is he necessary to a flag ? I don't  think as much as what his worth might get in some A mid(s) etc.

LOL those guys should get their own thread.

I'm with you. It should be up for a mature analysis and debate if nothing else. 

I'll have a look for the article so thanks

This is driving me nuts; I have bitten my proverbial tongue but...

Three dots in a row is an 'ellipsis' and it is used to replace superfluous text and I use it as a way of leading the reader to a 'open question' or statement.

But three commas in a row is not anything. It is usually followed by the 'sticky keys' popup that comes up wondering whether you need help easing use of the keyboard and avoid injuries.

,,,

Just no.

no to trading hogan

but play him at chf....please

one thing we are short on is kp players. one goes down we are in trouble, two we are in deep sh.. (p.s. i don't consider lever a genuine kpp)

whilst i think his best position is chf i wouldn't be averse to him being tried at chb (or a swing-man kp player)

Get him in the middle more

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Get him in the middle more

If Weideman comes on then Hogan will have to spend longer periods up the ground or in the midfield. You can't play 3 tall forwards in the modern game. 

Hogan absolutely needs to be played as a CHF that covers territory. Pushing into the middle and occasionally tracking back.

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Hogan absolutely needs to be played as a CHF that covers territory. Pushing into the middle and occasionally tracking back.

 

1 hour ago, layzie said:

Hogan absolutely needs to be played as a CHF that covers territory. Pushing into the middle and occasionally tracking back.

He can play at CHB

He was All Australian in that position before we drafted him 

Keeper.

11 hours ago, rpfc said:

This is driving me nuts; I have bitten my proverbial tongue but...

Three dots in a row is an 'ellipsis' and it is used to replace superfluous text and I use it as a way of leading the reader to a 'open question' or statement.

But three commas in a row is not anything. It is usually followed by the 'sticky keys' popup that comes up wondering whether you need help easing use of the keyboard and avoid injuries.

,,,

Just no.

Nice point, but note that most style guides insist on a space before an ellipsis ... 

7 hours ago, RedsoxMan said:

 

He can play at CHB

He was All Australian in that position before we drafted him 

I would be up for trying it. 

Almost positive that Hogan played CHF his underage All-oz year but was NAMED at CHB...in much the same way that one year Pavlich played forward all year but was named at FB

He’s a natural CHF, roaming up and down the ground, using his endurance to best effect

Funny ... in a fashion, in this thread some sanity prevails and a reasonable discussion of the good/bad/ otherwise of Hogan even allows the floating of the idea he play HB. Elsewhere it's lampooned.

I never quite got that. Tmac was a fwd when younger. Indeed when drafted ( iirc) it was to play fwd. For whatever reason that didn't last long and he played down back ... until the clever idea of moving him forward.

Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really.

Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? 

This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us.

Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for. 

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Funny ... in a fashion, in this thread some sanity prevails and a reasonable discussion of the good/bad/ otherwise of Hogan even allows the floating of the idea he play HB. Elsewhere it's lampooned.

I never quite got that. Tmac was a fwd when younger. Indeed when drafted ( iirc) it was to play fwd. For whatever reason that didn't last long and he played down back ... until the clever idea of moving him forward.

Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really.

Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? 

This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us.

Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for. 

I have nothing further to add.. 

On 8/20/2018 at 5:14 PM, SPC said:

I’ve been a big advocate for the trade.. not because I do not believe in his ability, but more about his current value. I think we have some real needs which could be filled by what Jesses currency allows. No disrespect to Jesse, but I like our side without him in it- playing a more mobile forward line like Richmond. This is just an opinion, and how I believe the game is going to continue to be played for some time.

Jesses biggest challenge is not getting the ball. It is the speed in which he turns to deliver to a target. He often turns, waits and waves hand signals before he kicks it in. For me, he could learn a lot from Melksham.

 

 

Current value as a KPF who has suffered a season-ending navicular injury?

Just think about the perception of that in the marketplace: suffers navicular injury, then quickly put up for trade...

I think his value on the market has never been lower. Most clubs would be wary of offering too much.

On 8/19/2018 at 7:39 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I would be extremely surprised (and disappointed) if Jesse wanted to go and play for Ross Lyon . . . 

What forward would want to play under Lyon’s horrible negative game plan?