Gotta feeling we will trade aggressively and flick a few NQR!

Stand by for some tremmors and shocks.

So be it!

  On 23/09/2018 at 03:48, Dee-licious said:

I have been thinking about this a heap in the past 24 hours. Especially on the wing which is clearly an area we lack. I have been trying to find someone from another club we could get to get the ball on the outside and deliver inside 50. 

Then it dawned on me, we have him, he played there at the start of the year and was brilliant until Lever went down. 

Christian Salem. 

Beautiful kick, good break away speed, tackles like a champ. I feel if we can find a half back flank player to replace him (maybe Fritch, maybe Hunt) and can move him to play in the forward half of the ground we are instantly a better team. 

I think this trade period isnt going to be that exciting for us as we are going to rely on natural improvement, rather than quick fixes. 

Salem only had 1 good game in the midfield - against the Roos, and he played on ball not wing. He's not an elite runner, the wing isn't the spot for him. He was much more consistent when moved to half back against Essendon and I think he'll feature really high in our B+F with a number of games where he did his job perfectly at half back.

Fritsch is the most natural winger on the list IMO. It's just a matter of building his tank and teaching him some stoppage craft. Considering he wasn't in the TAC system or even playing regular at Casey (senior or development) he's come a long way this year and just got tired when asked to play backline late. If he can get his tank to AFL midfield standard whilst building some core strength this summer he could not only back up but go to another level next year.  

For mine Stretch is ahead of Kent who appears fragile.

A bit like Hoges, he breaks down  and it's one thing after the other.

I'm ambivalent about keeping Jesse. He clogs up the forward line when Tommy is there so spends a lot of time keeping out of his way.

Weed doesn't.

So, can Jesse become a midfielder? He could play on the wing  as was done with Tommy often, even drifting back to take Lever's job.

He's not an inside mid and he doesn't succeed as a forward pocket/flank.

JETTA.         O.McDONALD.    LEVER. 

HIBBERD.     FROST                  SALEM. 

FRITSCH.      VINEY .                 HANNAN. 

HOGAN.        T.McDONALD .    PETRACCA. 

SPARGO.       WEIDEMAN.         NEAL-BULLEN. 

GAWN.            OLIVER.                HARMES. 

JONES  -  TYSON  -  BRAYSHAW  -  VANDENBERG

It's sad, but on last years form Jeffy would be an automatic selection. Don't know what happened to him this year. We could be greatly strengthened if he could regain his best.

  On 23/09/2018 at 09:51, spirit of norm smith said:

2019 recruits 

Lever. Hogan. Kent. Stretch. Hunt. Fritsch  

Each will add to our end of 2018 prelims team. 

Hunt will need to lift and reinvent himself.  

I was a big fan ...... hopefully 2018 has been marred by injury from which he will recover.

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:36, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

JETTA.         O.McDONALD.    LEVER. 

HIBBERD.     FROST                  SALEM. 

FRITSCH.      VINEY .                 HANNAN. 

HOGAN.        T.McDONALD .    PETRACCA. 

SPARGO.       WEIDEMAN.         NEAL-BULLEN. 

GAWN.            OLIVER.                HARMES. 

JONES  -  TYSON  -  BRAYSHAW  -  VANDENBERG

Please, no more Tyson, please, for f's sake...

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:17, DeeSpencer said:

Salem only had 1 good game in the midfield - against the Roos, and he played on ball not wing. He's not an elite runner, the wing isn't the spot for him. He was much more consistent when moved to half back against Essendon and I think he'll feature really high in our B+F with a number of games where he did his job perfectly at half back.

Fritsch is the most natural winger on the list IMO. It's just a matter of building his tank and teaching him some stoppage craft. Considering he wasn't in the TAC system or even playing regular at Casey (senior or development) he's come a long way this year and just got tired when asked to play backline late. If he can get his tank to AFL midfield standard whilst building some core strength this summer he could not only back up but go to another level next year.  

Agree 100% re Frisch as a wingman.

It is a pity that injuries (and Hunt’s inability to get back to anywhere near his best as a HBF) forced him to go back to an unaccustomed rôle then dropped for the PF due to match ups. I hope he can get a full preseason working on the wing HFF rôle and not be forced to fill in where, though he performed admirably, he could not be of best value to the team 

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:17, DeeSpencer said:

Salem only had 1 good game in the midfield - against the Roos, and he played on ball not wing. He's not an elite runner, the wing isn't the spot for him. He was much more consistent when moved to half back against Essendon and I think he'll feature really high in our B+F with a number of games where he did his job perfectly at half back.

Fritsch is the most natural winger on the list IMO. It's just a matter of building his tank and teaching him some stoppage craft. Considering he wasn't in the TAC system or even playing regular at Casey (senior or development) he's come a long way this year and just got tired when asked to play backline late. If he can get his tank to AFL midfield standard whilst building some core strength this summer he could not only back up but go to another level next year.  

Agreed and I think the other "natural winger" is Hunt.

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:18, obbafan said:

Agreed and I think the other "natural winger" is Hunt.

✖️  A natural winger needs good disposal and marking ability 

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:18, obbafan said:

Agreed and I think the other "natural winger" is Hunt.

 

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:24, monoccular said:

✖️  A natural winger needs good disposal and marking ability 

Plus he doesn't get enough of the ball...

 

I’d have Lewis in the starting 22 but I would expect him to be out of it and replaced by this time next year.

I am making some assumptions about how we will play next year and how other teams will play against us. One example is a second ruck to stretch Gawn. On this point, I don't think OMac is good enough as anything other than second ruck defender. 

'Good enough' is to better our situation; get us into a GF.

Role and Player Good Enough For It, and The Depth

Gorilla Tamer Tall (1) : [Trade for Player] Depth: Frost, Kielty

Second Ruck Defender (1) : O McDonald Depth: 

Impact Tall (1) : Lever Depth: Petty,

Medium Tall Defender (2) : Hibberd and J Smith Depth: Lewis, Baker, Wagner

Small Defender (2) : Jetta and Stretch Depth: Hunt

Midfield Inside Rotation (5) : Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, and vandenBerg Depth: Jones, Maynard

Midfield Outside Rotation (2) : Salem and [Trade for Player] Depth: Fritsch, ANB, JKH

1st Ruck (1) : Gawn Depth: [Trade for Player], Bradtke

2nd Ruck (1) : Wiedeman Depth: T Smith

Tall Forward (2) : Hogan and T McDonald Depth: 

Medium Forward (2) : Melksham and Petracca Depth: Hannan

Small Forwards (2) : Spargo and [Trade for Player] Depth: Garlett

 

Assumed delisted/traded: Vince, Balic, Tyson (T), Bugg, King, Pedersen, Kent (T), McKenna

Upgraded: Kielty

Would love a small forward, an outside player through the middle with excellent skills and a tall defender that just beats his bloke. Also a back up ruck but Weideman is second ruck. We cannot carry 5 talls into a game.

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:50, rpfc said:

Midfield Outside Rotation (2) : Salem and [Trade for Player] Depth: Fritsch, ANB, JKH

Maybe Stretch fills this spot?

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:55, titan_uranus said:

Maybe Stretch fills this spot?

I have him in the backline.

I see Lewis as shadowing Bernie’s 2017-18. 

Lewis put together some good matches this year, but the pace in the legs has left him and the mind isn’t too far behind.  Next season I see him, like Bernie this year, starting in the 1s, then moved out by the end of the season.

By the looks of things, Jones may be in the same boat one year later.

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:16, DemonLad5 said:

The fact that some people are leaving Jones and Lewis out of their 22 are pretty embarrassing 

It's going to be the Lewis\Vince scenario both can't both be in the same team. Lewis out for mine.

  On 23/09/2018 at 11:50, rpfc said:

I am making some assumptions about how we will play next year and how other teams will play against us. One example is a second ruck to stretch Gawn. On this point, I don't think OMac is good enough as anything other than second ruck defender. 

'Good enough' is to better our situation; get us into a GF.

Role and Player Good Enough For It, and The Depth

Gorilla Tamer Tall (1) : [Trade for Player] Depth: Frost, Kielty

Second Ruck Defender (1) : O McDonald Depth: 

Impact Tall (1) : Lever Depth: Petty,

Medium Tall Defender (2) : Hibberd and J Smith Depth: Lewis, Baker, Wagner

Small Defender (2) : Jetta and Stretch Depth: Hunt

Midfield Inside Rotation (5) : Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, and vandenBerg Depth: Jones, Maynard

Midfield Outside Rotation (2) : Salem and [Trade for Player] Depth: Fritsch, ANB, JKH

1st Ruck (1) : Gawn Depth: [Trade for Player], Bradtke

2nd Ruck (1) : Wiedeman Depth: T Smith

Tall Forward (2) : Hogan and T McDonald Depth: 

Medium Forward (2) : Melksham and Petracca Depth: Hannan

Small Forwards (2) : Spargo and [Trade for Player] Depth: Garlett

 

Assumed delisted/traded: Vince, Balic, Tyson (T), Bugg, King, Pedersen, Kent (T), McKenna

Upgraded: Kielty

Would love a small forward, an outside player through the middle with excellent skills and a tall defender that just beats his bloke. Also a back up ruck but Weideman is second ruck. We cannot carry 5 talls into a game.

I agree mostly.  We can draft some youngsters for these roles.  

Preuss is a must get to support, relieve, tandem or back up Gawn. 3/yr deal for Preuss. 

Not sure why Frost is in so many of these teams, the guy is a dead set liability, once Lever is back frost is out. And on playing all 3 what teams have 3 talls which would require all 3.

  On 23/09/2018 at 14:05, Garbo said:

Not sure why Frost is in so many of these teams, the guy is a dead set liability, once Lever is back frost is out. And on playing all 3 what teams have 3 talls which would require all 3.

Lever can play small.

  On 23/09/2018 at 14:05, Garbo said:

Not sure why Frost is in so many of these teams, the guy is a dead set liability, once Lever is back frost is out. And on playing all 3 what teams have 3 talls which would require all 3.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, Frost was awful under pressure the last 2 weeks. Hopefully we make a play for Steven May because we need a tall defender that is trust-worthy outside of Lever

 

 

Also, Jones has to stay in our best 22 I think like a few others he played too many games this year, if we could rest a player here and there next year that would be a big help. (Gawn Inc) 

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:36, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

JETTA.         O.McDONALD.    LEVER. 

HIBBERD.     FROST                  SALEM. 

FRITSCH.      VINEY .                 HANNAN. 

HOGAN.        T.McDONALD .    PETRACCA. 

SPARGO.       WEIDEMAN.         NEAL-BULLEN. 

GAWN.            OLIVER.                HARMES. 

JONES  -  TYSON  -  BRAYSHAW  -  VANDENBERG

You forgot Melksham.

  On 23/09/2018 at 14:36, Coobs said:

I agree with this wholeheartedly, Frost was awful under pressure the last 2 weeks. Hopefully we make a play for Steven May because we need a tall defender that is trust-worthy outside of Lever

 

 

Who we gonna give away for May? We have no picks. Tyson, Garlett and Hunt probably won't cut it.

  On 23/09/2018 at 10:18, doug williams said:

For mine Stretch is ahead of Kent who appears fragile.

A bit like Hoges, he breaks down  and it's one thing after the other.

I'm ambivalent about keeping Jesse. He clogs up the forward line when Tommy is there so spends a lot of time keeping out of his way.

Weed doesn't.

So, can Jesse become a midfielder? He could play on the wing  as was done with Tommy often, even drifting back to take Lever's job.

He's not an inside mid and he doesn't succeed as a forward pocket/flank.

Saints are doing some DD on him at the minute. Whether they decide to do the deal is a different story.

  On 23/09/2018 at 12:20, spirit of norm smith said:

I agree mostly.  We can draft some youngsters for these roles.  

Preuss is a must get to support, relieve, tandem or back up Gawn. 3/yr deal for Preuss. 

I agree Gawn needs support but I don’t think the side can support Gawn, Preuss, Weed, Hogan and T Mac.