POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[Roost It 1,434]

1 minute ago, SaberFang said:

What's this even mean mate? More like we're realists who aren't falling into the same tea as last year where we get our hopes up and have them bitterly crushed, pulped and minced in the final round of the season. And yet, for all the fanfare, we're heading for the exact same [censored] conclusion this year. 

I don't blame supporters for being proactive and refusing to put themselves through the same [censored] masochism two years running. And rest assured, I'm calling it now, it WILL happen again this year. We've done it again. 

He says running around his lounge arms flailing in the air

[doc roet 1,287]

On a brighter note, loved Jones storefront on Selwood sitting him on his arse.

[DeleteUser 638]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

The MFC needs to protest to the AFL to prevent Nichols from ever umpiring another game of ours.  The guy clearly has issues with the MFC.  Two insane examples (for a start).... the Harmes 50m penalty decision tonight (which clearly wasn't there) and the one against Melksham in the square running into an open goal against Port (which i'm still scratching my head over)

Has had it in for us ever since from last season when Max knocked the ball away and he cracked it.

No no no! Rest assured the club has done this properly behind closed doors

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, ding said:

The way StKilda and Geelong were beatable? Or a different kind of beatable?

Going by that same logic, Gold Coast proved today that they are more than capable of beating us.

You cant just look at whatever side of the story fits your narrative and ignore the rest. FWIW we might beat Sydney, but the other games look like being beyond our ability. If we do make finals, it will probably be by percentage only.

Today was a huge setback.

HUGE.

 

I meant what I said.  We can beat the Swans.  I didn't say we will, just that we can.  Today is evidence of that.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[beelzebub 23,382]

4 minutes ago, Roost It said:

I’d hate to be relying on any of you in a pressure situation. You go to water much like your team 

You might be surprised. Some of us are TOTALLY matter of fact... totally in the zone.  My Myers Briggs would stupify some , maybe.

But that's just me..lol

To be frank...I'm not sure there's anyone as such to blame for tonight. Yes a lot of things could have been done better...can't they always.

Really....I just think they handled the night and the adjudication better ?

[Deemania since 56 6,715]

22 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Any chance if anyone giving O Mac a chop out? 

Surely frost should have been drifting across to help him out?? Standard double teaming every [censored] club does!!!

FAAAARRRRRKKKKK

Fairly simple, isn't it? TMac is our only hope down there deep in the backline. Again, yes, again, and once more: Pedo has a heart and it is still beating - perhaps stronger than ever over the past two years. He is needed in the forward line, he is needed in defence. Omac needs to be dropped - he just does not stay where he might be needed and if he did, he would make a mess of it, somehow. One or two early good things achieved provide a licence for him to drift away and look stupid, no matter who the opposition happen do be in any game. In reality, he cannot pull the skin off a custard. JKH was always going to be a risk and should not have been in the side tonight. Same for Vince and Lewis, despite some reasonable cameos in uncongested moments - these are short-lived. Spargo was a bright light lacking protection and pathways but he gets better each game. The rest of the team were acceptable, some very good but totally exploited by the malingerers and the hangers-on. When can we get Hogan to lead into space? When can we chop Goodwin for a coach who knows how to shift gears? 

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1 minute ago, Roost It said:

He says running around his lounge arms flailing in the air

Or else calmly typing into phone as he more interestedly watches Le tour 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Not shifting Frost on to Hawkins earlier was a mistake

After the 5th goal (at least) one would have thought so Moon.  He is just TOO SLOOOW to react.  Not pro-active and doesn't see the bleeding obvious nor get some of the basics right.

Playing T-Mac up the ground so often is a liability also IMO.  He is just too slow to react and gets caught too often.  Too many turnovers in poor parts of the ground instead of getting him to play deep from the goal square more often where he plays his best forward craft and impacts on the scoreboard.  Wasting energy and costing us on the turn over by continuing to push him up the field.  Dumb coaching.

[Mondê 525]

Did anybody else see Vince laughing with Dangerfield after the siren while all the other players and the supporters were on the verge of crying? Get fuched Vince. Never play for this club again. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

I appreciate your positivity at a time when I want to go on a murderous rampage through Geelong, but after failing to take every chance we have had this year in close contests, what makes you think anything will change between now and the end of the season?

Stubbornness is the main reason I think we can change.   I don't have much else.

If Geelong had knocked us off by 8 goals tonight then I'd be worried.  Really worried.  And while tonight is one of the toughest losses I've watched in years, I still think we are capable of playing finals footy.  I'll probably be wrong, but I have to believe it.  I can't give it up.  I'll wake up tomorrow, look at next week's game and believe we can knock them off if we play to our best.  What else can I do?  Going bananas isn't my thing anymore.  That's not to say it's not a valid form of response to tonight's game, it's just not my thing.  It almost brought me to tears instead.

[Deemania since 56 6,715]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I meant what I said.  We can beat the Swans.  I didn't say we will, just that we can.  Today is evidence of that.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Not likely if we have OMac on Buddy Franklin.

[SaberFang 7,151]

2 minutes ago, Roost It said:

He says running around his lounge arms flailing in the air

Says the guy who refuses to elaborate but is happy to disregard others posts from disappointed posters pointing out blatant flaws with the club. Must be nice to be an apologist for a club that strives for little more than perpetual disappointment.

[praha 11,240]

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

yep... I think many of us have come to realise that he is not much chop and that his inadequacy is being masked somewhat by the strength of the list.

If we go anywhere it will be in spite of him not because of him.

His match day skills are almost non existent.

It's same old. When we are on we score heavily and the opposition tends to have a high and accurate efficiency rate.

When we are off we seem erratic and "hope for the best". Much like Bailey, Goodwin has the makings of a great attacking coach, but he lacks the ability to impose structural and defensive accountability. He is being made to look decent by a talented list. Reminds me of Mike D'Antoni in the NBA. Only ever coaches the teams stacked with talent, knows how to run a sound offense but his teams never go the distance. Everything Roos tries to instill is out the window.

[dees189227 12,395]

Goody presser on now

[Tom Dyson 1,633]

If Goodwin says "its a game of small margins" i might go and rip up my membership.

[rjay 25,063]

31 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Gotta win the next three

Unfortunately you could just see it coming

They send Gawn off for a blood rule that looked like it could be wiped away to me and they go coast to coast - unfortunately 16.4 is great kicking and 14.14 is not good enough; bad kicking is bad football

That really hurt 'what'...Goodwin took the punt to rest Max early in the q so he could run it out at the end.

...and then he wasn't there.

Funny game football.

[Docs Demons 1,792]

No use blaming umpires. More inside 50's AGAIN. More scoring shots AGAIN and still found a way to lose. I do not rate Geelong so this loss hard to take.Umpires were not to blame. The players were.

Also anyone want to have a go at Hogan?. I will. His efforts up front were absolute crap. He just wandered around like a lost sheep. Did not impact the game at all with his body. Next to no tackles and one handed grabs at the ball. Also hardly any chasing when Cats got the ball. Pretty ordinary effort in my opinion. 

[DeleteUser 638]

So we all agree that the trades are Goodwin hogan jkh Tyson Lewis Vince brayshaw  GREAT

[BrisbaneDemon 1,572]

Who remembers that guy a few years ago who said I’m over this club I’m going to support Richmond, we all laughed at him.

 

That Guy was a visionary...... 

[Knuckles 73]

I very much believe we are one of the best three or four teams in the comp. But we can’t win these important games even when we are clearly the better team. The question is why? Poor coaching? Lack of infield leaders? Inexperience? Or have we been so bad for so long we have forgotten how to win a big game? 

Edited July 21, 2018 by Knuckles

[DeleteUser 638]

2 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

If Goodwin says "its a game of small margins" i might go and rip up my membership.

Cutting my card up ℅ Goodwin regardless 

[Diamond_Jim 12,624]

1 minute ago, Docs Demons said:

No use blaming umpires. More inside 50's AGAIN. More scoring shots AGAIN and still found a way to lose. I do not rate Geelong so this loss hard to take.Umpires were not to blame. The players were.

Also anyone want to have a go at Hogan?. I will. His efforts up front were absolute crap. He just wandered around like a lost sheep. Did not impact the game at all with his body. Next to no tackles and one handed grabs at the ball. Also hardly any chasing when Cats got the ball. Pretty ordinary effort in my opinion. 

Time to do some serious cost benefit analysis on Hoges... If a club offered two first rounders in the top 10 you'd have to think about it.

[bringbackthebiff 658]

19 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

Who knows if Trac had tried to pass it that the Geelong boys may have intercepted, they were up for the final minutes whereas we were not. Trac tried to get the ball as close to our goals as he could trusting our forwards to get it or hold it in. 

Who knows is exactly right. It’s why under pressure you play the percentages. Never late in the modern game has a torp been considered the right decision. We needed to play keepings off.

[bing181 9,328]

Last 2 minutes makes edifying vision - though easy to say in hindsight. Frost's great (almost) intercept, which he then bombs into no-man's-land for a turnover. O Mac's great intercept mark, which he managed to get perfectly to Petracca. Who then bombed forward when the name of the game is possession/run the clock down? JKH's easy miss that would have spared us the previous 10 pages of discussion. Then everyone's hero, Frost, ball-watching and leaving Hawkins unattended in the middle of the ground ... and the rest, as they say, is history.

[titan_uranus 25,042]

Haven't seen/heard Goodwin's presser but some of the quotes are interesting.

He's called out the players for their "clock management" late in the game, he's noted Gawn got beaten by a hack (Stanley), he's conceded we got taught a final quarter lesson, he's noted we got beaten in CPs and clearances (bearing in mind those are not Geelong's strong points).

Maybe this loss has gotten to him more than previous ones?

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into some Twitter quotes because I can't bring myself to do anything else.