Good to see Hogan keeping positive and going out to enjoy some live music last night.

  On 16/04/2018 at 01:14, jnrmac said:

I wonder what the instructions were at 3/4 time when we hadn't kicked a goal in 2 quarters of football?

Apparently, he told the boys to go out in the last quarter with one goal in mind , which Nibbler duly delivered.

  On 15/04/2018 at 13:03, Docs Demons said:

Sorry but can't find any positive comments to say after that effort against  what I reckon will be a bottom 8 side at best. 

There's no way Hawthorn will be bottom 8. Melbourne on the other hand...

  On 16/04/2018 at 01:19, beelzebub said:

I suspect Trouble at Mill. 

Goody will be on borrowed time with some players. Other staff already affecting things for the detriment ( and has form )

It's not happy families I'm sensing. 

Wheels have fallen off. Why ?

Just when we should be going forward and up... we're stumbling and falling.

There was dissention before the season. Something is wrong.

I just wonder if the players are P'ed off at what Lever is getting paid, would explain the lack of gelling in the backline also.

  On 16/04/2018 at 05:33, SFebey said:

I just wonder if the players are P'ed off at what Lever is getting paid, would explain the lack of gelling in the backline also.

Have wondered similar with Jake Carlisle at the Saints.

  On 16/04/2018 at 05:33, SFebey said:

I just wonder if the players are P'ed off at what Lever is getting paid, would explain the lack of gelling in the backline also.

I wouldn't have thought so. They seem to get on and you can tell there is comaraderie.

 

  On 16/04/2018 at 05:33, SFebey said:

I just wonder if the players are P'ed off at what Lever is getting paid, would explain the lack of gelling in the backline also.

Except it's actually not all that much in light of the new agreement that was sorted late last year.  It's a big contract but not inappropriate.

Lever is adjusting to a game plan structure that is slightly different to what he had at Adelaide, it takes some time. 

I'm filthy over what happened on the weekend, and love a good conspiracy theory, but I think we sucked on the day, we were outplayed by a team that wanted it more and we'll have to move on quickly from this experience.

Two weeks ago everyone was going hard at the dogs and pies, last week it was the bombers, this week it'll be Adelaide and the Dees will be in the gun. These clubs each to varying degrees have turned it around, we just have to prove we can do that this week with Richmond.

I think this article in the Age sums up the way some feel and why the negativity

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/after-decades-of-failure-how-can-i-raise-my-kids-to-be-demons-fans-20180416-p4z9ut.html

I share his pain

 

  On 16/04/2018 at 06:01, Older demon said:

I think this article in the Age sums up the way some feel and why the negativity

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/after-decades-of-failure-how-can-i-raise-my-kids-to-be-demons-fans-20180416-p4z9ut.html

I share his pain

I wish I could get paid for writing what everyone else has been saying for years.

  On 16/04/2018 at 04:29, Age said:

My positive from yesterday was Wagner having a go at Lewis in the last quarter after Roughead had been passed a ball from the pocket to about 20m directly in front. Wagner was seemingly telling him he should have been there in that space. Lewis seemed to have said something back but Wagner kept at him. Maybe he has some leadership qualities, I wonder about those of Lewis...

Thank [censored] some has told him.

We won the first quarter and looked very sharp, with Jones tag keeping Mitchell quiet. Kent also kicked a bag of 3 and Hogan had his way in the midfield. A blacked out after that, did we win? 

  On 16/04/2018 at 07:10, chookrat said:

We won the first quarter and looked very sharp, with Jones tag keeping Mitchell quiet. Kent also kic.ked a bag of 3 and Hogan had his way in the midfield. A blacked out after that, did we win? 

1

UMMMMM....Sure.........Yea. Smashed Em.

Where's olddee when you need him?

  On 16/04/2018 at 05:55, jnrmac said:

I wouldn't have thought so. They seem to get on and you can tell there is comaraderie.

 

I don't think it's about money.

There's friction. It might be about to get worse. Purely egos and abilities to cop things on the chin. 

Not so much between players

  On 16/04/2018 at 06:01, Older demon said:

I think this article in the Age sums up the way some feel and why the negativity

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/after-decades-of-failure-how-can-i-raise-my-kids-to-be-demons-fans-20180416-p4z9ut.html

I share his pain

 

That bloke needs to grow a pair, ir's footy, I was mightily pizzed off with what was served up for 3 qtrs, but I'm over it now

Want to see the response from now on

We are so bad. another 10 years of pain coming up.

Goody can't coach, players have no heart....

 

Oh sorry, wrong thread.  I pressed reply before I realised!

We lost the game on the outside.

Its been our biggest weakness for a fair few years now. If anyone wants to bag Goodwin, that's what it's about.

Hawks outclassed us on the outside.

God, what a trash article from the Age.

Don't get me wrong, it was an appalling, frustrating game but if you can survive 186 points and call yourself a Melbourne supporter you can survive Sunday.

It's time to be discerning in giving credence to certain viewpoints in the next little bit.

With the need to get eyes on digital print, the usual suspects have come out with outlandish statements that we have gone backwards this year.

While this may be the case after round 23, to say that now is infinitely stupid.

Every team usually has a 'mare game every now and again. Richmond got towelled up by St. Kilda from memory. I wonder how many numpties were prepared to write them off then.

While I feel sorry for all those supporters (which include myself) who have not seen a flag in their lifetime, they should also look at some of the root causes of our problems.

It seems that as a club we often seem to expect success as it's birthright. That because of who we are and all the hard work we feel we have done that we will just win because of who we are. And when we don't get what we feel we are entitled to then we dispose of so called malingerers and replace them with a new 'savior'(s) who will suffer a similar fate should they not meet the mark.

Facts are that the world owes us nothing. We are one of 18 teams. If we were to sack Goodwin this year, that would convince me that this club is soft as butter. There would be nothing ruthless or professional about it. It would be self indulgent and the easy way out as it would let the players off the hook. 

Next year is another matter. Goody shouldn't have his contact renewed of he can't get a finals berth in  3 years. However, we do something stupid this year, then I'm outta here.

 

  On 16/04/2018 at 10:13, Bitter but optimistic said:

Where's olddee when you need him?

Right here Bbo.

Bloody poor wasn't it.

9 months ago I was discussing a trip OS in May /June with No. 1 wife and she said " you don't want to watch the Dees now they are coming good. I just smiled at her and we continued the planning. 

Wise decision with the advantage of time.

next weekend I am planning to watch the seconds play the Tigers at punt road and that will be my last game till after QB. 

Have to say I am fairly calm it is not as though we have not been here before, we are experienced as supporters at this caper.

Go Dees.

The positive for me is that our form both as a team and many individuals within the team has been pretty crap for most of the home and away, yet we are still 2 and 2.  If we manage to scrape a win out of Richmond/Essendon, then we have a pretty good run of lesser teams ahead after that, then 'should' get back Viney and T Mac, so could turn the half way mark of the season in reasonable shape.  I'd rather be comming home strong than starting the season all guns blazing and dying in the ass.

With respects to the Hawks game, No goals 7 behinds, 15 goals 2 if you add to that the complete numpty miss by Gawn from 15m out, then it's 1 goal 8 after half time.  Shocking conversion by us, unbelievable conversion by them.  In more normal circumstances, we kick a fee more and they miss a few and we are still well in the game and putting on scoreboard pressure at 3/4 time and who knows from there...at the very least a far more respectable scoreboard.  Whilst that analysis masks the fact that part of the reason for the poor conversion rate was the quality of the enteries and that we hardly looked like scoring at times after quarter time, with Hawthorn controlling thr game, really think this result is being blown out of all proportions.

It was after what I regard as one of our worst losses last season (to North I think), that we turned it around and convincingly beat Adelaide in Adelaide last season.  Didn't really rate Adelaide last season or this, nor Richmond.  We have far from the crap team we did in years gone by and I think sooner or later, we will flick the switch and start beating good sides consistently and pumping poor ones. 

As for Goodwin, yes I agree that he has been pretty poor tactically at times, but you can't nessasrily place that solely on him - he has a whole box full of assistants to pickup what's going on in that regards tactically on match day and over the weeks, so I don't think that can all be put on him.  What I think I like about Goodwin is his drive, high training standards/expectations and mental toughness/calmness that he brings to the role as leader/coach, which I think will pay dividends in time when it counts.  It's a long season of perseverance and ours will be defined by what happens over the rest of it, not this one game.

  On 15/04/2018 at 13:29, WERRIDEE said:

There was nothing positive about todays performance. I'm talking about the future we won't play Richmond at a better time and we have Tyson and Hannan to come back in and Pedersen, Hunt and Stretch played well for Casey. We also have T.McDonald and Viney to come back in soon.

If we can stop bleeding goals, weed out some chaff as the season rolls and inject more smarts (decision making) and skills by foot (including goal accuracy) plus some speed of foot....AND... dont waste Jones in a lock down role or Harmes in the ruck again...we will make finals.

Ins from: Peders, Hunt , Stretch, Tyson, Maynard, Hannan.

Outs from: Frost/Lever (one of), Bugg, ANB, Lewis (Inj.), Melk, Harmes.

 

 

 

  On 18/04/2018 at 23:12, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

The positive for me is that our form both as a team and many individuals within the team has been pretty crap for most of the home and away, yet we are still 2 and 2.  If we manage to scrape a win out of Richmond/Essendon, then we have a pretty good run of lesser teams ahead after that, then 'should' get back Viney and T Mac, so could turn the half way mark of the season in reasonable shape.  I'd rather be comming home strong than starting the season all guns blazing and dying in the ass.

With respects to the Hawks game, No goals 7 behinds, 15 goals 2 if you add to that the complete numpty miss by Gawn from 15m out, then it's 1 goal 8 after half time.  Shocking conversion by us, unbelievable conversion by them.  In more normal circumstances, we kick a fee more and they miss a few and we are still well in the game and putting on scoreboard pressure at 3/4 time and who knows from there...at the very least a far more respectable scoreboard.  Whilst that analysis masks the fact that part of the reason for the poor conversion rate was the quality of the enteries and that we hardly looked like scoring at times after quarter time, with Hawthorn controlling thr game, really think this result is being blown out of all proportions.

It was after what I regard as one of our worst losses last season (to North I think), that we turned it around and convincingly beat Adelaide in Adelaide last season.  Didn't really rate Adelaide last season or this, nor Richmond.  We have far from the crap team we did in years gone by and I think sooner or later, we will flick the switch and start beating good sides consistently and pumping poor ones. 

As for Goodwin, yes I agree that he has been pretty poor tactically at times, but you can't nessasrily place that solely on him - he has a whole box full of assistants to pickup what's going on in that regards tactically on match day and over the weeks, so I don't think that can all be put on him.  What I think I like about Goodwin is his drive, high training standards/expectations and mental toughness/calmness that he brings to the role as leader/coach, which I think will pay dividends in time when it counts.  It's a long season of perseverance and ours will be defined by what happens over the rest of it, not this one game.

I agree Balls that we are off form some whet, but still winning games, or in place to win, if things go our way.

 

However against the hawks we collapsed under close pressure of the ball holder &/or around the ball.  We have to learn to cope with this sort of pressure.  The whole club,,, as it also effected our women as well.

'We' seem to struggle club wide, with in close checking, after we've won the ball;,,,  we cough it up under pressure, or get caught.

This is  key area I want to see us get stronger in.

 

I think if we can workout or structure around centreline, going forward with the ball and this area around the contest under pressure, we will go a long way.

Not so bothered with our forwards at the moment, because I think its the midfield that we need to become slicker/stronger in our ball management & use.

Why is it we seem to struggle more than most clubs do in this specific area, under pressure. 

 

IMO, this has caused us premierships, in past eras.