Post Match Discussion - Round 4

[WERRIDEE 5,248]

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It’s not working. I like to think I normally move on pretty quick after a loss but this ones different, I’m still quite peeved. It was a pathetic effort by the players and coaches, we’ve gone backwards since last season and it’s very disappointing. 

I'm disappointed but not too worried as long as they make a lot of changes. It's how we respond that counts if we can't compete against Richmond then I will be peeved.

[Scipio 5,868]

We're missing Jack Viney so much. No other player has his fire.

[Docs Demons 1,674]

Great insight TU. I mentioned in pre game thread that had the VBs ready up here in warm Brissie and we would win comfortably. Well now I have taken time after the game to have dinner with family and after getting some of the VBs out of the TV realised we are just not good enough. TU mentioned the many VFL standard players we have and I agree but also would throw in Brayshaw.. OK first game for year but after the first quarter he was running on the one spot. In fact most of our players do. No pace, no direction and the fumbling was terrible. This is a bad a loss as we have had in many years as I do not consider the Hawks to be a top team. Bloody hell they had basically no bench for last two quarters and gave us a hiding. Harmes, Brayshaw, Bugg, Milkshake, Garlett ( I love him but goes missing to much), Wagner, Lewis, Vince to name a few need to go. Wont happen but Goodwin needs to make a statement here and make multiple changes. That performance cannot be tolerated.

[Scipio 5,868]

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

Teams like Richmond can make a commitment at the start of the year to be mentally stronger and give 100% of tough strong Footy for four quarters.

So did Bulldogs the previous year.

So why can’t we?

Talent alone never does it.

We are soft and mentally weak.

Richmond did get thumped by St Kilda last year by almost one hundred points...

[wizardinoz 2,081]

Until Viney & T Mac come back this team can't be trusted.

[Willmoy1947 3,814]

Which Clubs are secretly taking The AFL's magic recovery potion? How could a bloke who had three knee ops run away from some reasonably fast players of ours, kick a great goal, tweak his tendon or something, and come back on?

The umpires thought at half time we were too close. This will never do. The end.................

[Binmans PA 26,492]

What an absolutely disgraceful performance. Harked back to 2014 or prior. That's definitely the first time a Goodwin side has given up.

After quarter time, there was absolutely no system. I thought going into today that we'd generate enough inside 50s to win, even though I knew they'd play smart wet weather footy and we'd play (at times) dumb wet weather footy.

Serious question though. Where was Gawn for most of the second quarter? This is where the tide completely turned IMO. When he was sitting on the bench.

Gawn killed McEvoy in the first quarter and when Gawn went off earlyish in the second and Harmes was in the ruck, we got absolutely murdered around the stoppages. And after that we couldn't arrest the momentum.

I now have serious questions about our game style after this debacle too and I'm lost as to why we so were determined to play our aggressive press in the wet weather.

As we've done every time in the past two years, we continually fail to play to the weather conditions. If you're going to play the press, you play the deeper press in those conditions, not the overly aggressive form. And particularly against Hawthorn, who can pick their way out with good ball use.

I thought getting it in long and quick with a greasy ball would be effective in those conditions though, but we fumbled around the stoppages (and inside defensive 50), failed to lay tackles inside forward 50 and made terrible decisions with the ball in hand (exhibit A - Tomas Bugg - an absolute blight on the footballing form).

Defensively, our guys let the ball get over the back all day, we were disorganised at stoppages and just generally rattled for most of the day. And what really irks me is that we made Hawthorn look far, far better than they are.

If there's any monkey we desperately need to get off the back, it's the monkey of losing to these muppets every season. And not just losing. We are regularly spanked. I went with the Hawthorn supporting wife (and she only ever goes to this game) and I was thoroughly embarrassed by my football club yet again.

Also, why in the hell do three of our defenders continue to go all up at every contest? We're lucky if one defender stays down. It's been happening for 2 or 3 years now. And there's always an opposition player or two front and centre to gather the crumb.

We're so predictable and must be so easy to coach against. Surely, our coaching team have picked up on this all up, no one down issue. So why do we continue to do it? Even when we're winning games we do it!

Is Plapp our defensive coach now? I am seriously doubting his abilities if so. I know Lever is new into the mix but the whole synergy of the group is completely out. They look utterly lost at sea.

And don't get me wrong here. Hawthorn's pressure was good, but when the game was on the line in the second and early part of the third terms, we missed ridiculously easy shots on goal and therefore failed to apply scoreboard pressure.

And I said Bugg would cost us a game and this could well be a perfect example of it. If he kicks 4 straight instead of 4 points from regulation distance, we keep the pressure on and we're right in the game, if not ahead at three quarter time.

Max Gawn missing again from 20m out directly in front is again unforgivable for an AFL footballer. That's not leadership and it certainly didn't help when we really needed a goal to stem the momentum that was against us. These are the type of goals that the leaders at Richmond kick nowadays (I can't believe I'm saying that). We have no leaders that step up in the clutch moments of big, important games. They go missing.

Speaking of leaders, I thought Jones was outstanding on Mitchell early on and it was a great early move by our MC, but as the midfield pressure dropped, Mitchell got off the leash and the Hawthorn mids blocked well for him after that. And then Jones spent the rest of the match with his head down.

But at least he was involved in the contest. Jordan Lewis was yet again thoroughly embarrassing. The guy is finished, save for the very odd cameo.

Overall, one of the major issues is that their ball use was so much better than ours. They were cleaner in possession, kicked to the right places and then swarmed to those positions and we couldn't handle it. Fumbling, bumbling, throwing and slipping right over.

I think we'll bounce back, but it was such an appalling effort that if we see anything else like it this year, I'll be on Goodwin's back. 

As far as I'm concerned, he's certainly on notice now for his complete inability to shift the momentum at any stage of the contest.

He also got the game style completely wrong. He failed to take into account the conditions and did he make a single move after the opening bounce of the first quarter?

Next week is going to be very interesting and anything less than a four quarter performance should not be tolerated. We may have just blown our season at 2-2 with a tricky month ahead. I now go into next week with no aspiration at all. This team (and club) does not deserve any confidence and owes us long suffering supporters a hell of a lot.

Edited April 15, 2018 by A F

[Binmans PA 26,492]

8 minutes ago, Luther said:

Richmond did get thumped by St Kilda last year by almost one hundred points...

Yep, that's about the only thing that's giving me solace, mate.

[jnrmac 19,323]

2 hours ago, DeeZee said:

They tackled better, and moved the ball quicker.

Our inability to tackle makes us poor, does it not?

You said mental application wasn't our problem in that game, I say it was 100% our problem cos we didn't lay a tackle in the first 15 mins

Feel free to continue arguing against the unarguable.

[jnrmac 19,323]

So Goodwin's secret tactic today was to have a spare man in the fwd line and a spare man in defence at the centre bounces. No wingmen at all.

You can take that and consign it straight to the dustbin

 

[titan_uranus 22,751]

Just now, jnrmac said:

So Goodwin's secret tactic today was to have a spare man in the fwd line and a spare man in defence at the centre bounces. No wingmen at all.

You can take that and consign it straight to the dustbin

I have no idea what he was trying with that. 

[jnrmac 19,323]

2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I have no idea what he was trying with that. 

Sadly neither did the players

[jnrmac 19,323]

Oh and we gave up nearly 25% today. That will really stand us in good stead for later in the year. What a flipping bunch of muppets.

[wizardinoz 2,081]

Dropped from 4th to 12th on the ladder too:(

[brendan 3,417]

22 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Until Viney & T Mac come back this team can't be trusted.

Problem with that is by the time they do come back and are in form it’s probably already season over 

[Sir Why You Little 34,920]

4 hours ago, DV8 said:

No we didn't, we lost this out in the open air of the Arena.

Not the coaching.

 

The players became shell-shocked. From the hawks sole intent on Pressure in the 1st, and from our own unfriendly-fire.

 

We undermine our own, and have been doing that to ourselves foe many a year.

 

This is partly why we becAme a front-running team in our past. because when Our boys are 'on', the supporters are 'on'... everyone is Happy.

 

But add focused opposition Pressure to shell-shock those D's,  and then watch them Implode..................  from over the fence first.   The whole vocal-theme changes from the positive,,,  into a ferocious attack on our own men.

 

Particularly the pressure of the Poos and Wees.

 

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Stop blaming the Supporters FFS

THESE GUYS ARE ON TOP COIN

The least they can do is learn the trade. 

I buy a Membership to be entertained by a professional football team, not a bunch of soft Marshmallows

[Docs Demons 1,674]

9 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I have no idea what he was trying with that. 

Goodwin also made a bad blew in his presser. He said Hawks were structurally better than us. Bloody hell what was he and the other 100 coaches in the box doing. Just letting Clarkson and the Hawks run all over him. Bad move Coach admitting they had it over you. Plenty of hard look into the mirror stuff required before Tigers.

[Jaded No More 59,109]

5 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

Goodwin also made a bad blew in his presser. He said Hawks were structurally better than us. Bloody hell what was he and the other 100 coaches in the box doing. Just letting Clarkson and the Hawks run all over him. Bad move Coach admitting they had it over you. Plenty of hard look into the mirror stuff required before Tigers.

Said it more than once too. Exceptional was his word. The mind boggles. 

[John Crow Batty 8,305]

This was a wake up call 4 rounds after the last wake up call in R23 last season. Well are due for the next wake up call in round 8. We were pretty good until it started raining bath water.

Edited April 15, 2018 by america de cali

[SFebes 4,694]

7 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Said it more than once too. Exceptional was his word. The mind boggles. 

Goodwin has no idea and sooner people wake up and realise the better. Rabbit in the headlights coach like Neeld

[Sir Why You Little 34,920]

11 minutes ago, america de cali said:

This was a wake up call 4 rounds after the last wake up call in R23 last season. Well are due for the next wake up call in round 8. We were pretty good until it started raining bath water.

Spot on adc. 

“Crisis, What Crisis...”

[ding 5,126]

How many "wake up calls" do we need....

How many times can we "learn a lesson from that loss" ?

I am constantly amazed by the number of excuses the sugar-coaters can find for performances like this.

We simply HAD to win that game. Instead we got flogged. Really flogged.

Shame Shame Shame.

 

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,920]

4 minutes ago, ding said:

How many "wake up calls" do we need....

How many times can we "learn a lesson from that loss" ?

I am constantly amazed by the number of excuses the sugar-coaters can find for performances like this.

We simply HAD to win that game. Instead we got flogged. Really flogged.

Shame Shame Shame.

 

 

F L O G the life out of each player next week, otherwise it will just happen again and again and again. 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Sir Why You Little

[Scipio 5,868]

11 minutes ago, ding said:

How many "wake up calls" do we need....

How many times can we "learn a lesson from that loss" ?

I am constantly amazed by the number of excuses the sugar-coaters can find for performances like this.

We simply HAD to win that game. Instead we got flogged. Really flogged.

Shame Shame Shame.

 

 

We lose the games we simply have to win, and win the ones we're often not expected to.

Didn't you get the memo?

[DV8 2,271]

29 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Stop blaming the Supporters FFS

THESE GUYS ARE ON TOP COIN

The least they can do is learn the trade. 

I buy a Membership to be entertained by a professional football team, not a bunch of soft Marshmallows

Money as absolutely nothing to do with the fact swyl.  nothing to do with it.

Its a human condition. anxiety.

 

Now we can add our anxiety out aloud to our players, and they will double up with there own.

Or we can leave our negatives at the gate of the stadium, and make a promise to ourselves that we will not take our fears out on our boys,,, but transfer that fear, into anger against the opposition.

 

Then we can add to the teams efforts instead of loading with our stuff.

 

We need to be LOUD, but not AT our team;  rather be loud & With them in support.