whatwhat say what 23,881 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 so i presume it's a squad of 25 who can play - effectively seven on the bench? do we know definite outs? jones (calf?) viney (foot) tyson (calf?) dean kent (shoulder) vandenberg (heel) weideman (ankle?) garlett (has he ever played in the preseason?) tim smith (foot) joel smith (leg) pat mckenna (hamstring) anyone else that is definitely not playing, as opposed to 'wouldn't risk' status?
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Jones should be right to play shouldn't he? FB: Hibberd Frost Jetta HB: Lever Oscar Hunt C: Stretch Oliver Jones HF: ANB Hogan Melksham FF: Hannan T Mc Fritsch Foll: Gawn Petracca Salem Int: Pedersen, Harmes, Brayshaw, Maynard, Wagner, Lewis, Bugg Emerg: Vince, JKH, Balic, Keilty, M King etc.
Mt. Dee-Maaan 608 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 FB: Hibberd, Jetta, Frost HB: Lever, Jones, Hunt C: Oliver, Petracca, Jones HF: ANB, Hogan, Melksham FF: T-Mac, Garlett, Harmes R: Gawn, Viney, Salem INT: Lewis, Tyson, Pedersen, Brayshaw, Bugg EMERG: Maynard, Hannan, O-Mac/Vince
Cassiew 1,903 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Since we’re not really going to gain anything from a win, I’d definently say no to Viney and just let him concentrate on round 1. Why risk any player? It’s not like premiership oints are on the line or anything.
hardtack 11,107 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I would have thought that Spargo and/or Baker might get a run just to see what they’re capable of at this point.
Adzman 2,154 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Put all fit draftees and rookies in the squad, then fill the rest from your for senior squad. No Sense Fielding a strong team for the jlt
Dee Zephyr 19,327 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 With only 2 JLT games it will be interesting to see if we go full strength for both games. Are we happy for some of our best to go into the opener on the back of one JLT game?
whatwhat say what 23,881 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Adzman said: Put all fit draftees and rookies in the squad, then fill the rest from your for senior squad. No Sense Fielding a strong team for the jlt i seem to recall someone saying that jennings said post-aflx premiership glory that we'd be aiming to play close to our best 22 by the second jlt match against the saints at docklands, and a slightly lesser squad against north, so i ill go with this for the bigger tassie ground, which actually seems to suit playing a taller line-up due to the blustery conditions: B: Jetta - O Mac - Frost HB: Hunt - Lever - Brayshaw C: Salem - Petracca - Harmes HF: ANB - Hogan - Melksham F: Pedersen - T Mac - Fritsch Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Bugg I/C: Spargo - Stretch - Maynard - JKH - Baker - King - Wagner Rested / rehab: Jones - Lewis - Viney - Tyson - Hibberd - Kent - Hannan - vandenBerg - Vince - Weideman - Balic - Petty - Garlett - T Smith - McKenna - J Smith - Keilty - Filipovic
—coach— 3,496 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 "This (AFLX) concept ... we train that stuff all the time. The game is not that foreign, the only difference is the scoring. JLT 1, you probably play your best 24, 25 and JLT 2 you play your best 23 and then you are into round one. I think there is a really nice flow to the season now." Craig Jennings https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-face-tight-selection-squeeze-inside-attacking-50-20180217-h0w8ls.html
brendan 3,458 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Might aswell give the kids a crack in this 1
stevethemanjordan 6,952 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Given both Jetta and Hibberd’s ability to compete in the air as a third-man up, I’d love an explanation from those who have selected all of Frost, O-Mac and Lever in the same backline? To me it makes little sense. Especially when one considers the way we play as a defensive zone. Rarely do we see any of our backmen have one-on-one lock-down roles for the entirety of a game. They’re often caught out in between opponents. One of the benefits of having defenders who possess elite intercept skills in a setup like ours is that we don’t need to rely on an overly tall backline. We have one of the most aggresive backline setups in the AFL. Jetta, Hibberd and Lever are elite intercept players. Oscar and Frost are not. I believe that Oscar and Frost should and will be competing for the same position. Thanks to the acquisition of Lever, I hope that it allows Oscar/Frost to play a more simplified role due to their inconsistencies as players. I feel comfortable if Frost or Oscar are playing on a key opposition forward knowing that we have one of Jetta, Hibberd or Lever to nearly always impact that contest as a third man. And by impact I mean kill the ball or win the contest. Frost and Oscar are not that player. Here’s hoping the coaches feel the same way come Round 1.
whatwhat say what 23,881 Posted February 18, 2018 Author Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said: Given both Jetta and Hibberd’s ability to compete in the air as a third-man up, I’d love an explanation from those who have selected all of Frost, O-Mac and Lever in the same backline? To me it makes little sense. Especially when one considers the way we play as a defensive zone. Rarely do we see any of our backmen have one-on-one lock-down roles for the entirety of a game. They’re often caught out in between opponents. One of the benefits of having defenders who possess elite intercept skills in a setup like ours is that we don’t need to rely on an overly tall backline. We have one of the most aggresive backline setups in the AFL. Jetta, Hibberd and Lever are elite intercept players. Oscar and Frost are not. I believe that Oscar and Frost should and will be competing for the same position. Thanks to the acquisition of Lever, I hope that it allows Oscar/Frost to play a more simplified role due to their inconsistencies as players. I feel comfortable if Frost or Oscar are playing on a key opposition forward knowing that we have one of Jetta, Hibberd or Lever to nearly always impact that contest as a third man. And by impact I mean kill the ball or win the contest. Frost and Oscar are not that player. Here’s hoping the coaches feel the same way come Round 1. my justification for all of frost, o mac and lever will play at least to start with in the jlt for the following reason: lever is arguably the best 'third up' player in the competition his recruitment allows hibberd to play further up the ground i'm not expecting hibberd to play in the jlt, necessarily tasmanian ground is a bigger ground with blustery conditions and suits playing three tall defenders if you can't experiment with this in the jlt, when can you?
What 18,810 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 5 hours ago, --coach-- said: "This (AFLX) concept ... we train that stuff all the time. The game is not that foreign, the only difference is the scoring. JLT 1, you probably play your best 24, 25 and JLT 2 you play your best 23 and then you are into round one. I think there is a really nice flow to the season now." Craig Jennings https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-face-tight-selection-squeeze-inside-attacking-50-20180217-h0w8ls.html We are gonna kick some big scores this season. So many options up forward.... Melk and Harmes to have huge seasons, bookmark it!
buck_nekkid 6,103 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 I reckon it will be a hit out for key structural elements, plus a look at newbies and fringers. lock in: T Mac, hoges, Garlett add 3 more for forward group lock in:, Petracca, Jones add 3 of midfielders lock in Lever, Jetta and omac, hibberd add 2 backs lock in Gawn, add some runners. Then in JLT2, run the best 25 as a lead in to the season
grey wolf 226 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 I have no smoke ...but.. Back 6 Lever Scar Baker Hunt Lewis Vince Middie 6 Gawn Salem Olly Maynard Stretch JKH Front 6 Hoges TMac Hannan Harmes ANB Spargo Inters Melksh Frosty Jones Tracca Brayshaw Pedo Wags In the cupboard Vino Tyso Kenti Smith’s Pets Hibbo et al
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 11 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said: Given both Jetta and Hibberd’s ability to compete in the air as a third-man up, I’d love an explanation from those who have selected all of Frost, O-Mac and Lever in the same backline? To me it makes little sense. Especially when one considers the way we play as a defensive zone. Rarely do we see any of our backmen have one-on-one lock-down roles for the entirety of a game. They’re often caught out in between opponents. One of the benefits of having defenders who possess elite intercept skills in a setup like ours is that we don’t need to rely on an overly tall backline. We have one of the most aggresive backline setups in the AFL. Jetta, Hibberd and Lever are elite intercept players. Oscar and Frost are not. I believe that Oscar and Frost should and will be competing for the same position. Thanks to the acquisition of Lever, I hope that it allows Oscar/Frost to play a more simplified role due to their inconsistencies as players. I feel comfortable if Frost or Oscar are playing on a key opposition forward knowing that we have one of Jetta, Hibberd or Lever to nearly always impact that contest as a third man. And by impact I mean kill the ball or win the contest. Frost and Oscar are not that player. Here’s hoping the coaches feel the same way come Round 1. 1. I've barely ever seen Lever win a one on one against a quality tall forward in his career. Whilst playing as the third tall lets him lead the league in intercept possessions. Put your best players in their best positions and find role players for the rest is usually a wise philosophy, every other point I make pales in comparison to that one. 2. I like the risk reward of leaving Jetta and Hibberd in occasional mismatches but signing them up to start on talls is asking for trouble. Eventually they'll get beat by a tall if given enough chances. 3. Even if you were to play only one of Frost and Oscar you'd have to play both in this practice match given you've got 25 spots in the team and have them compete for the spot surely? 4. Geelong - until proven otherwise - probably go in with Hawkins, 2nd ruck (Blicavs/Smith), Menzel with Dangerfield (or Ablett) playing a fair bit inside 50. That combination means there's enough height to have 2 talls and Lever. 5. After 1 key defender, Lever, Jetta, Hunt, Hibberd and probably Lewis you've got 6 defenders. Your next best options are either Vince or Wagner. It's ambitious to expect much of Bernie and whilst I like Wagner I think he's best as a rebounding and intercepting player. Playing a second tall makes us stronger defensively and putting Hibberd and Lever in more attacking roles counters the loss of attack. If we had Joel Smith as a 2nd tall option I'd consider him, same if we could play Salem at half back and be significantly more attacking with 1 less tall but that doesn't seem to be the plan.
Willmoy1947 4,261 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 I.m a bit agin the recruits getting a go too early. One reason being that the extra pace could catch these boys in the wrong place at the wrong time, or sort of in between, and i know they have got to be there sooner or later, but are there any stats on new players getting injured earlier than the rest at the start of seasons games?
Roger Mellie 4,205 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 12 hours ago, grey wolf said: I have no smoke ...but.. Back 6 Lever Scar Baker Hunt Lewis Vince Middie 6 Gawn Salem Olly Maynard Stretch JKH Front 6 Hoges TMac Hannan Harmes ANB Spargo Inters Melksh Frosty Jones Tracca Brayshaw Pedo Wags In the cupboard Vino Tyso Kenti Smith’s Pets Hibbo et al I think you need to get back on the cheroots, but I'd like to see that line-up. Who is Pets?
Clintosaurus 7,953 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 More concerned about the price of the beer at the ground than who we send down. Either way it's 25 in the red and blue and us Hobartians only chance to see the boys play without travelling. Guessing most of the Hobart based members on here will be at the game?
Members' Wing 1,106 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 On 18/02/2018 at 8:34 AM, Adzman said: Put all fit draftees and rookies in the squad, then fill the rest from your for senior squad. No Sense Fielding a strong team for the jlt Huh? You'd go into round 1 against Geelong with barely any of the senior team having ANY meaningful match practice? They'd be unbelievably rusty then in round 1 and would completely blow up about halfway through the third quarter.
WERRIDEE 5,641 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 B: JETTA, O.MCDONALD, LEWIS HB: HIBBERD, LEVER, HUNT C: STRETCH, OLIVER, PETRACCA HF: MELKSHAM, T,MCDONALD, NEAL-BULLEN F: BUGG, HOGAN, HANNAN FOLL: GAWN, HARMES, JONES IC: MAYNARD, PEDERSEN, FROST, SALEM, BRAYSHAW, VINCE, WAGNER
ignition. 1,478 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 I'd like to see games put into the new kids and those fighting for spots (I don't think they should be named as emergencies). These include the likes of Spargo, Baker, Fritsch, Balic, Maynard, JKH, Wagner (off the top of my head). We've also heard that some will be getting more midfield and on-ball time this year. So I'd like to see the likes of Petracca, Brayshaw, ANB, and Salem spend next to all their time there. Likewise, let's see some veterans, such as Lewis and Vince etc. (if named), spend all their time down back or forward. Of course we want to see our club go out and win every game possible, but the JLT offers players an opportunity to shake off nerves (new players) and show what they are capable off.
Wiseblood 24,637 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 No doubt that we go in with the strongest possible 25 we can field. With only two practice games we need to get the run into the legs of those who will be lining up for us in Round 1. The years of blooding youngsters in the JLT is behind us - with only two games to play we can't risk giving the kids a run for the sake of it. I think Fritsch will get a look in, but others like Baker and Spargo will probably miss out, which I'm fine with. I want us ready and raring to go in Round 1 so we can smash the handbaggers and get out finals tilt underway in style!
DeeSpencer 26,692 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Fritsch showed me enough in the AFLX to think he's very much in contention for round 1, but I think back to Hannan last year and Brayshaw a couple of years before that debuting after only playing VFL practice games. I think there's a small chance we hide Fritsch in VFL games until round 1 and there's also a chance that someone from Baker, Spargo and maybe a handful of other players sneak in to the side on VFL form as well.
poita 3,945 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 We have 12 days between practice matches, so there is no reason not too play our best team in both. I certainly wouldn't be playing anybody who is not a chance to play round 1.
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