Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it. Has a track record of doing it too. 

As to those needing to know when did the club make this determination and what incident triggered it...

Does it even matter? The exact day, time, who said what and to whom?

It's not a murder investigation. Jack hasn't been accused of murder as far as I know (but if I search these threads I might get a surprise ...)

The exact reason, what deed was committed on what day, or what was said, what expression was on their face? We don't need to know that. Girls whose BFF has broken up with their boyfriend need to know that.

The only thing we need to know is the fundamental fact that at some stage, for some reason, the club decided they're better off going forward without him. They've said roughly why. The rest is us at a pyjama party filling in time until the scary movie starts.

7 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it. Has a track record of doing it too. 

Got any hot sauce for this contribution?

Or is it just a gut feel?

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Unleash Hell

4 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it. Has a track record of doing it too. 

Yep, and tried to do it to JJ and then Beveridge took over and now he's a norm Smith medalist. 

In the right environment, Watts will flourish. Roos had it, and hopefully for Jack's sake, Ken will be the same.

2018 is going to be a fascinating year to see how the players respond to Goody and the coaching group after what's happened over the off-season. 

8 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it. Has a track record of doing it too. 

He (Macca) was certainly adamant on the Friday luncheon pre grand final that Jack would be shipped out. His relationship with older players worked well at the Bulldogs didn't it ! Ask Cross his feelings about Mccartney, he didn't want to have anything to do with him when Macca came to Melbourne.

Summary to date 

#1 pick in 2008 draft. Handed Norm Smith’s #4 Jumper. A world of expectations.

Debut - Thrown to the wolves at 17 versus the filth on QB.

Matures into tall forward, 3rd tall (not key forward) with roles in midfield, back 50 or ruck as needed.  Develops into a good player but not the #1 star that was hoped.  Becomes very popular player to majority of supporters and through the club, but also the whipping boy to the media & others.  

Top 5 in 2016 B&F. Signs to stay at Demons for a 3-year contract to end 2019.

Preseason issue 2017 with his preparation. Not selected in a preseason match.

Very good first half of 2017 - 6th after round 13 - then  injured, loses form and is dropped. Comes back for final game and named in best 6 (afl.com.au & the age real footy).

153 games. 

Put up for trade.  Goodwin says due to creating a culture of all meeting required standards. Mahoney says because Watts is in a ‘rut’ and needs fresh start. Watts is portrayed as being negative to the clubs standards. 

Watts wants to stay at Demons but when the coach wants you gone, it’s impossible to stay. 

215 pages of emotive content on Demonland represents the feeling that this has created.

The next chapter awaits ...

Ffs just trade him already, getting a bit over it now 

I cringe when I hear parents publicly chime in at trade time about how they think their adult son has been treated. Of couse they are going to get emotional and stick up for their son. I wonder if Andrew Watts has talked to Mahoney or Goodwin about it. 

I know media saturation looks for every emotional detail, but Jack is an adult FFS, his parents should stay out of it and let the man deal with his own career. IMO this can't help Jack's cause.

As has been said before, the club is bigger than any one individual.

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Extract from Trade Radio: 

Andrew Watts is Jack's father.

Expanding on 'reprobate' he says:

Clearly his father is taking issue with the derogatory rumours spread about his son, largely based on comments from Goodwin, Jones, Mahoney. 

We may not like his father's commentary but no one is publicly standing up for Jack.  Even his kind hearted video to a fan was presented as having a cheap shot at mfc and nothing was further from the truth.

I really admire a father standing up for his much maligned son.    It isn't good for MFC when a father needs to do that.  It is exceptionally rare for a player's father to come out and defend them.  I would think for Jack's family to do that involves very unusual circumstances. 

I do not know who or what to believe anymore.  As each day passes more and more people are coming out and casting doubts on MFC's narrative on Jack's season. 

Posters may want to blindly tow the company line but I fear there will be some bad fallout from this.  Not so much Jack leaving but moreso the way it has been handled.

A very sad situation just became moreso.

 

This is not good. I feel very bad about this

What is the exact agenda?

we need to know. It has gone too far now

21 minutes ago, Older demon said:

He (Macca) was certainly adamant on the Friday luncheon pre grand final that Jack would be shipped out. His relationship with older players worked well at the Bulldogs didn't it ! Ask Cross his feelings about Mccartney, he didn't want to have anything to do with him when Macca came to Melbourne.

This is news to me, McCartney even kicking the boots in?

This club has cocked up the whole shebang, could've done it respectfully and similar to Impey situation.

The sooner he is traded the better.Daddy coming out and whinging!!! What a [censored] laugh

 

The least they can do for him after publicly hanging [censored] on him is to get him to the club of his choice without fuss. We sold the farm for Lever why are we haggling over a second rounder.

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by TheoX

God daym this thread is hideious

54 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

See, this is what I mean.

Don't go trying to read into things that aren't there frankie. Someone throws out a vague comment and makes allusions to something and then you have other posters scrambling to interpret its meaning and through Chinese whispers it has a destabilising effect on the club.

I find it hard to believe that any of the guff on here has any effect on the club, destabilising or otherwise.  I'd certainly hope not.

 I don't mind trading watts but keeping Bernie Vince on the list I said on SEN's overnight crowd if that happen I would spew if we lost any good players for him

11 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

The irony of all this is that we are gifting a good player to help Port to finish much higher than us next season and maybe even a premiership. Well done Goodwin. Not!

Look at how we played Port this year. Do you really think adding Watts and Motlop to their side that day would've made a difference? Watts was on our side that day and was absolutely terrible, dropping chest marks, overrunning the ball, hesitating - and that was all in the first 5 minutes.

May be a case of the truth hurts. If Jack Watts trained like Nathan Jones and jack Viney he’d be consistently all Australian. He is loaded with talent but isn’t consistent enough. That consistency begins at training 

1 minute ago, sue said:

I find it hard to believe that any of the guff on here has any effect on the club, destabilising or otherwise.  I'd certainly hope not.

Of course it has the potential for that. Not just on here, things get spread across social media, fact becomes fiction, the natives get restless, the media stokes the fire. Things can get out of control based on some throwaway lines by people who think they're being clever pretending they have some inside knowledge and letting people make their own assumptions about what that could be.

I'm not saying don't criticise the club, everyone has the right to. But if you've got something to say, say it. Don't hide behind vague allusions (not you, sue).

58 minutes ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

Brendan McCartney has had a big hand in ridding the club of Watts. It's not Goodwin or Viney that have put a line through him. Macca was the person driving it,

Macca is a great footy mind, and developer of talent.

Now I am even more convinced Watts needs to go (though I'd have preferred he was traded years ago).

21 minutes ago, 64" said:

The sooner he is traded the better.Daddy coming out and whinging!!! What a [censored] laugh

 

I would never knock parents for standing up for their kids no matter what the age. It's part of the job description 

1 minute ago, Petraccattack said:

Macca is a great footy mind, and developer of talent.

Now I am even more convinced Watts needs to go (though I'd have preferred he was traded years ago).

Macca has done more one on one Work with jack than probably anyone in his professional career to date, he’s the absolute best person to make the call

Still confused....

Until Watts indicates where he wants to go, how is the MFC able to facilitate a trade with that club? The MFC encouraged Jack to see who out there is interested, and it looks like at least three clubs have been keen. 

I know that some clubs might be put off by what the MFC might be wanting for Watts, but most people seem to think it's a second round pick which is neither outrageous from the MFC's point of view or flattering for Watts either TBH. I don't think that the MFC have managed this anywhere as poorly as the Stringer situation with the Dogs, but we are not after a top 10 pick either!

Name your club Jack, let the MFC facilitate a trade for you with that club and lets close this thread off!!!

 

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Ouch!

1 minute ago, Ouch! said:

Still confused....

Until Watts indicates where he wants to go, how is the MFC able to facilitate a trade with that club? The MFC encouraged Jack to see who out there is interested, and it looks like at least three clubs have been keen. 

I know that some clubs might be put off by what the MFC might be wanting for Watts, but most people seem to think it's a second round pick which is neither outrageous from the MFC's point of view or flattering for Watts either TBH. 

Name your club Jack, let the MFC facilitate a trade for you with that club and lets close this thread off!!!

 

You would think/hope that deals are in place based on when Jack makes up his mind.

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Of course it has the potential for that. Not just on here, things get spread across social media, fact becomes fiction, the natives get restless, the media stokes the fire. Things can get out of control based on some throwaway lines by people who think they're being clever pretending they have some inside knowledge and letting people make their own assumptions about what that could be.

I'm not saying don't criticise the club, everyone has the right to. But if you've got something to say, say it. Don't hide behind vague allusions (not you, sue).

I don't think anything said here has contributed to Watts being on the trade table. Speculation was created by Jones, Goodwin, Mahoney and McCartney causing everyone to worry about whats going on. If they had of handled it in house and professionally then it wouldn't have got to such hysteria. But I do see your point and fully respect your posts.

3 hours ago, Goodvibes said:

OK, this has to stop Ron. You're offering nothing new to this thread. All you are now doing is running with an anonymous allegation with no proof from someone who is clearly aggrieved with the club because of their personal connection with Jack. And regular pot shots at those with an alternative view to you who have the audacity to support their club also doesn't paint you in a good light. All of my fears from a week ago are certainly being realized when a good poster like you starts to deliberately post divisive material. We get that it's an emotional game and you love Jack but his defence has stumbled into murky ground.

I think @Ron Burgundy is genuine and is unhappy at how this has played out. Fair enough. He's not taking pot shots, nothing new has really been added to this thread in a week. He's not the one posting unsubstantiated stuff but it's hard for people to wade through the muck when stuff gets posted anonymously (from both sides) which confirms their opinion. 

Hopefully after this is all said and done we can all get back to supporting the Mighty Demons because we are on an exciting journey at the moment and next year the sky is the limit as far as I'm concerned.