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1 hour ago, Dee tention said:

Watts tackles for Casey = 0. Only Casey player to record 0. Weid v Saints = 4.

Weid stays...

Not going to choose a guy simply on tackles. Might as well recruit Jordan McKenzie again then to play the position. 

 
10 hours ago, old dee said:

He is a VFL player forget him.

I can deal with an ex-crow, an-ex bomber and an ex-norf player, I just can't deal with an-ex pie....

11 hours ago, 3Dee said:

Lions have been a lot better in the past month.

- Walloped the Gold Coast Suns and put 142 points on the board.
- Took it up to the Bulldogs (7 straight goal comeback)
- Smashed Carlton at the Gabba

They have a lot of mid-sized run and would be inclined for no changes. Would like to see us settle T-Mac down back until next year, we need him there.

True, but importantly each of those games was at the Gabba.

The last time they left Brisbane they lost to West Coast by 68.

They're much better than they were 8 weeks ago but they've only won one game away from Brisbane. Indeed, their win over Essendon this year is only their third win out of Queensland since the start of 2015 (and one of those other wins was against Essendon last year).

We cannot take them lightly but we also should beat them convincingly.

 

 
1 hour ago, Dee tention said:

Watts tackles for Casey = 0. Only Casey player to record 0. Weid v Saints = 4.

Weid stays...

Not the only consideration, but telling nonetheless.

Weid stays.

I have only witnessed the first and last quarter on replay but I watched Weid closely. 6 times in the first he went up in a pack and brought the ball to ground. Not once was he beaten in the air. That at this time is his role. Mark it or bring it to ground and dont let them get an easy out. I would be playing him on the younger Brisbane backs next week.


1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Not the only consideration, but telling nonetheless.

Weid stays.

We know Watts can turn a game.

Weideman claim to fame is 4 tackles?

please he is so far behind he cannot hear the band. 

9 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Not the only consideration, but telling nonetheless.

Weid stays.

Not convinced of either of those things.

Weid had a couple of ripper tackles. Great.

What will define whether he stays is whether he played the role intended for him in attack, his defensive positioning and pressure, and his form with the footy. The same goes for Watts. 

I only saw Weideman on the weekend but I went to that game knowing he wasn't ready for it and that was the case. Even when he did a couple of good things - he would follow up with a howler.

I don't mean to talk him down - he is a kid. But if Watts put in the kind of performance Weid did this place would be frothing.

If Watts displayed enough of the habits he needs to show - he plays.

We are 11 and 9 - let's stop [censored]-ing around.

54 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not going to choose a guy simply on tackles. 

No, but 0 tackles at VFL level is pitiful.

 

Goodwin has a habitt of getting it right.

Watts plays for Casey again this week. Everyone knows he will be back for the finals, just a matter of playing him the following week or not.

Jack Viney on crutches today, wouldn't be surprised if he was given a rest on the weekend and Maynard or Stretch comes in for a run


In: Watts

Out: ?

Casey senior coach Justin Plapp

“I think the things around what we wanted to see from them (Salem and Watts) was certainly a significant improvement to what they had been delivering at AFL level,” Plapp said.

“I don’t think we could have asked for too much more from them.

“They’re both quality players and they embraced what the VFL program is about, so full credit to both of those boys.

On 13/08/2017 at 9:26 AM, Franky_31 said:

Out: Weideman.

In: Frost, (Tmac forward).

That's what would go with. Minimal changes, none of this "resting" players like Petracca. He's a class player and we need him to win both these games. 

Brizzy are going to throw everything at us.

For a bottom team they have really had a dip all season, and their midfield is very solid. Rockliff and Beams are in great form and combined for 7 goals last week. Zorko has been in AA form all year. Stef Martin is controlling the ruck.

We had better come switched on or it could be a disaster.

It's not just tackles, Weid flew for every ball he could. Watts flies for one a game. 

It drives me [censored] crazy. It has for his whole career. He really won me over with his form the last year and half, but when he reverts back to this [censored] I can't stand it. 

A perfect example is the Port game. Ball to the top of the goal square, 3 players locked arms and flat footed, Watts the 4th player with 2 metres seperation. Any player in the league would've jumped up and plucked it, let alone someone 196cm. In the end it resulted in nothing. Weid would've ate it. 

If Watts isn't running hard and linking up, he provides nothing. No physical presence, no bringing balls to ground, no ground pressure. Nothing. 

He should be embarrassed that Weid was preferred in such an important game. When all Weid provides is the basics and not much else. 

I have no faith Watts will come in and provide the basics off the back of one VFL game. 

jack has unfortunately always played like a 196cm player who thinks he's 175cm; he doesn't jump at the ball as he doesn't fancy the contest the majority of the time

0 tackles in the vfl is simply not up to standards expected of a bog ordinary vfl player, let alone a decent afl one


6 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Have a look at what Chris Scott, Hardwick or Buckley and numerous other coaches do when a player is reported. They support their player through the media and push to try and get the best result - regardless of the players actions. Richmond even went as far as getting references from Wally Aly and tried to manufacture one from the Prime Minister. We did nothing except throw him to the wolves.

At the very least our club could have come out and said "Bugg has apologised", "it was a reflex action", "Mills initiated contact first" etc Instead  they came out and said  "it's clearly not how we want to be seen as a footy club" "we'll cop what we get" etc. The Club's advocate Ian Findlay basically threw himself at the mercy of the MRP and basically didn't try to argue a case for getting a suspension no longer than Houli's. The hearing lasted 9 minuts. He said "He comes here tonight not to try to get the charge downgraded, not to waste your time." The fact that the incident happened the week after Houli meant their was a frenzy of media coverage about Bugg.  At the very least they should have been saying "Its no worse than Bacher Houli" It may not have worked but he deserved that possibility.  Instead he was left to front the media by himself with no club representative there when he made his statement to the media.

Hung out to dry.

 

Rubbish. Bugg was made to take responsibility for his actions. He basically king hit a bloke.

He has shown remorse, stayed out of the media, kept his head down and trained hard to try to prove that those actions were not representative of how he or the club would like to play the game. He's done his time and I look forward to seeing a BETTER player out there which I think he will be, because he has been handled well.

Hung out to dry? I think you're a drama addict.

3 hours ago, Dee tention said:

Watts tackles for Casey = 0. Only Casey player to record 0. Weid v Saints = 4.

Weid stays...

When Gawn passed to Weideman in the last quarter (when he was dead in front of goals), Weideman missed. Watts would not have! That is one reason why Watts is so valuable in critical matches, even if there are players who out-perform him on tackle counts.

8 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

It's not just tackles, Weid flew for every ball he could. Watts flies for one a game. 

It drives me [censored] crazy. It has for his whole career. He really won me over with his form the last year and half, but when he reverts back to this [censored] I can't stand it. 

A perfect example is the Port game. Ball to the top of the goal square, 3 players locked arms and flat footed, Watts the 4th player with 2 metres seperation. Any player in the league would've jumped up and plucked it, let alone someone 196cm. In the end it resulted in nothing. Weid would've ate it. 

If Watts isn't running hard and linking up, he provides nothing. No physical presence, no bringing balls to ground, no ground pressure. Nothing. 

He should be embarrassed that Weid was preferred in such an important game. When all Weid provides is the basics and not much else. 

I have no faith Watts will come in and provide the basics off the back of one VFL game. 

Big blokes take time.

I just wonder if people would be so lenient with Weideman if we had lost the game.

Out Weideman, in Hogan!


12 hours ago, Dee tention said:

Watts tackles for Casey = 0. Only Casey player to record 0. Weid v Saints = 4.

Weid stays...

That's far too simplistic.

It's not just the quantity of tackles but also the quality.

It's also the weak attack on the ball, going to ground more often than not in one-on-one situations, half-hearted marking attempts as well as pulling out of contests like he did against Port Adelaide.

 

 

 

The hyperbole about Jack Watts in this thread is only outdone by the paranoia in the regular "umpires have it in for us" threads.

All I can say, is thank goodness the Greeks have given us such wonderfully descriptive words to help us fully appreciate Demonland.  

 

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