On 22/10/2020 at 02:53, Ethan Tremblay said:

I might be jumping the gun here but bugger it

Still superior than this effort.

Always loved this parody by @Deestroy All

  On 21/10/2020 at 23:49, dl4e said:

A so called key position forward, North don't want him anymore. What is really going on ?

North are in a heavy rebuild mode. He won’t be around if or when they ever compete again. They are clearing the decks of anyone who isn’t contracted who is of some value. Plus clearly Brown isn’t happy with the club, so they have no real leverage here. 

The impression I get from this is that in order for us to get a deal with Brown across the line, we need to offload some salary cap space ie move on one or two highly paid players like Tom McDonald to achieve this. Otherwise, others might come in over the top of us to claim him.

  On 22/10/2020 at 07:06, Half forward flank said:

Offical. Ben brown has someone running his life and has changed priorities.. More interested in being a PC warrior than just doing his job as a player. Not just letting the player into the Club.

What?

  On 22/10/2020 at 08:16, Jaded said:

North are in a heavy rebuild mode. He won’t be around if or when they ever compete again. They are clearing the decks of anyone who isn’t contracted who is of some value. Plus clearly Brown isn’t happy with the club, so they have no real leverage here. 

Club not happy with Brown

  On 22/10/2020 at 08:20, Whispering_Jack said:

The impression I get from this is that in order for us to get a deal with Brown across the line, we need to offload some salary cap space ie move on one or two highly paid players like Tom McDonald to achieve this. Otherwise, others might come in over the top of us to claim him.

Tom McDonald is the obvious one, is there someone else we would look to move on to make cap space?

I’m personally a fan of us trying to get Brown, as much as he annoyed the hell out of me when he played the Dees he’s a proven goal kicker who had a lot going on this year to suggest this was an aberration. He would take the number one key forward role and Weed slots into the second role which takes pressure off him, if they work in tandem then they can both be valued forwards on the day. 

Fritta can move into a more HFF role with moves deep every now and then, and I can see Weed being more of a CHF role. The question of Jackson fitting in is fair but I could see him getting more development on the ball next season as well. 

  On 22/10/2020 at 08:14, Demonland said:

 

Can someone summarise please?

  On 22/10/2020 at 09:51, Dees247 said:

Can someone summarise please?

There is nothing new in there - just talks about the fact that the Dogs offered three years to our two years for Hannan, and that we are right in the hunt for Brown unless he wants a larger contract money wise as we can't offer that right now.  Says that by moving on someone like Tom McDonald it might allow us to offer more if another club trumped us in the $$$ department.

  On 22/10/2020 at 03:09, titan_uranus said:

The no pressure argument is true based on previous form.

Is the solution to assume that can't change, or is it to implore Weideman and Fritsch to add defensive pressure/chasing/tackling to their games?

Totally agree.

Tacking is mostly about effort. No reason why the coaches can’t put a rocket up Fritsch’s [censored] and tell him to apply more pressure. If we add Brown we can’t afford his lax efforts in particular. 

  On 22/10/2020 at 10:23, Better days ahead said:

Totally agree.

Tacking is mostly about effort. No reason why the coaches can’t put a rocket up Fritsch’s [censored] and tell him to apply more pressure. If we add Brown we can’t afford his lax efforts in particular. 

Just an afterthought... Robbie Flower averaged 18 possessions per game and just over 1 tackle per game... Tackling is overrated!

  On 22/10/2020 at 07:06, Half forward flank said:

Offical. Ben brown has someone running his life and has changed priorities.. More interested in being a PC warrior than just doing his job as a player. Not just letting the player into the Club.

?

  On 22/10/2020 at 01:58, 58er said:

Why can't D/L ers Get it through their thi.k skulls that Fritsch position is NOT in danger! We do  not have to not recruit a TALL forward to suddenly have to eliminate Fritta  our best forward  by far in 2019 and 2020 ( Ahead of even Trac) as he is an A grader IF he develops to his full potential as he has indicated he wants to on our website when resigned. Recognising flaws etc and improvements needed is the start that Trac and May made and Bayley is now on that train snd look out. 40 goals 25 behind is a realistic target fir 2021.

Please tell me Who else other than Weid Ben Brown Tmac in 2018 form and fitness and Trac playing 75% forward are capable of that!

Brown Weid  with Jacko given free reign plus Fritta  and 3 small / mediums are fine if in good form and supply as has been with greater skill Are fine fir 2021.

Allowing Max Trac Clarry Angus snd Jack plus Harmes and Sparrow a resting role this seems fine In most conditions and flexible in style and  for wet and windy conditions ( Cairns or Hobart ) also. 

Fritsch will never be an A grader

  On 22/10/2020 at 10:34, waynewussell said:

Just an afterthought... Robbie Flower averaged 18 possessions per game and just over 1 tackle per game... Tackling is overrated!

Back when teams had around 15-20 tackles a game.

whilst the medico's are checking out Ben Brown can they also look at TMac, Melksham and A.Brayshaw or will they be even slower next year?

Ben Brown and Luke Jackson deep in the forward line Browny leading and Jako in the square and visa versa.

Two big units  Height  200 CM AND 198 CM     They are a good fit. 

 

 

Can someone please explain to me how the heck we are struggling to fit Ben Brown within our salary cap? We must have a side full of superstars..... fmd

  On 22/10/2020 at 13:07, Die Hard Demon said:

Can someone please explain to me how the heck we are struggling to fit Ben Brown within our salary cap? We must have a side full of superstars..... fmd

Simples. No one on here has any idea about our salary cap. In June we were reported to have the second-most space, now apparently we're facing a squeeze. I guess it was all those big signings in the past three months. 

It was mentioned we'd try to get rid of T Mac to ensure we could meet rivals contract offers for Brown. We must have a decent portion allocated to Brown regardless of the T Mac situation, however would prefer Tom to go to allow us to match something we haven't budgeted for is the way I read into it. Long story short, it would appear we do have a fair chunk of cash in the cap regardless. 

  On 22/10/2020 at 07:06, Half forward flank said:

Offical. Ben brown has someone running his life and has changed priorities.. More interested in being a PC warrior than just doing his job as a player. Not just letting the player into the Club.

RUOK?

  On 22/10/2020 at 13:07, Die Hard Demon said:

Can someone please explain to me how the heck we are struggling to fit Ben Brown within our salary cap? We must have a side full of superstars..... fmd

Umm, we have some very good players. 3 star mids, the best ruckman in the game, one of the best FBs, the best CHBs, the best wingers...

As much as the hand wringers would like to avoid this truth - we underperformed in two games this season and it cost us a chance to play a couple of finals.

We should be amongst the better teams in 2021.

Plus we overpaid T Mac and Tomlinson and there is the crunch.

  On 22/10/2020 at 10:39, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fritsch will never be an A grader

Dr G He has the ability to be if he fulfills his potential. And Goody does not expect him to monster beasts in marking duels.

He beat Nick Hayne GWS snd Ridley Ess in last 2 matches and still scored and missed goals Whole not allowing them to mark and intercept.

Taks e very good Footballer to beat those two excellent HB flankers!

Bayley will be a star on our firward line kicking over 40 goals per season starting next season of 22 matches.

  On 22/10/2020 at 16:44, 58er said:

Dr G He has the ability to be if he fulfills his potential. And Goody does not expect him to monster beasts in marking duels.

He beat Nick Hayne GWS snd Ridley Ess in last 2 matches and still scored and missed goals Whole not allowing them to mark and intercept.

Taks e very good Footballer to beat those two excellent HB flankers!

Bayley will be a star on our firward line kicking over 40 goals per season starting next season of 22 matches.

Fritsch is a handy player with a few tools. He is nowhere near being ‘an A grader’. Makeshift FFs have to move to another position in good sides and he needs to adapt to a flank further up the ground and I am not confident he can do it and provide what he needs to provide defensively.

  On 22/10/2020 at 03:39, Patches O’houlihan said:

We made a huge mistake in backing in Weid and Tmac when Hogan left. didn't understand the referred pressure that would be on them to back up what really was some good form. 

I think we see this as a chance to undo that mistake. 

I also think we're at risk of putting to much pressure on Jackson, yes he's very talented, but to put all your bets on him being the second forward target at AFL level for a full season in a team that should be aiming to be top 6 is a huge ask for a very raw second year player. Brown totally removes that pressure off him. 

I don't expect Jackson to play every game in the 1's next year, he's going to take time to develop. 

Brown and Weideman i'm confident can work together. 

On the contrary I expect ( except for load management) Jacko to play most if not all games in 2021 in the AFL team.

He learns  so quickly competes so enthusiastically and is so mobile and skilled he makes a complete X factor for the opposition to worry about and will give our forward line a Huge boost.

Bring him on in the ones and he will repay our faith mo doubt. Just a waste learning in the 2's.

 

  On 22/10/2020 at 16:53, rpfc said:

Fritsch is a handy player with a few tools. He is nowhere near being ‘an A grader’. Makeshift FFs have to move to another position in good sides and he needs to adapt to a flank further up the ground and I am not confident he can do it and provide what he needs to provide defensively.

Jury Maybe  still out for very small sample size but I think Bayley when developed and coached properly will be a star 

And he has done those 2 defensive jobs well so far Msybe if he had to handle a pacy opponent that's would test him out,

Lets see he has plenty of tricks and will learn more as he develops,

  On 22/10/2020 at 13:28, adonski said:

It was mentioned we'd try to get rid of T Mac to ensure we could meet rivals contract offers for Brown. We must have a decent portion allocated to Brown regardless of the T Mac situation, however would prefer Tom to go to allow us to match something we haven't budgeted for is the way I read into it. Long story short, it would appear we do have a fair chunk of cash in the cap regardless. 

SEN (i think) reported the club offered $500k which is unders imv. Brown hasn't committed and will talk to Essendon and Freo. You'd think the bombers will throw money at him because they're desperate so we will have to up our offer.

TMac has to go to free up cap. If we have to pay half his salary next year so be it.