POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 7

[Dr. Gonzo 22,619]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

When Roughead got that free for holding against Hibberd in the last quarter I just thought, "well than Hogan should be getting free kicks at every contest". Hogan gets absolutely manhandled and doesn't get anything, admittedly he does play for them more than I'd like but the defenders physically prevent him from getting to/getting his hands to the ball. 

Can't remember who it was but an almost identical "hold" wasn't paid to us earlier, may have been Hodge on Hunt in the 3rd.

[Skuit 9,380]

Is the reason no one has bothered to start a 'changes' thread yet because it's so obvious? We may achieve universal Demonland agreement on a particular 'out' this week. Has that ever happened before?

[demonique 314]

2 hours ago, america de cali said:

The good news is we are not favourites next week against Adelaide.

Going to have the Crows on the rebound as well ! Typical ! 

[Sir Why You Little 34,914]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

You're like a 14 year old girl whose parents have stopped her from going to the Justin Bieber concert.  You'll yell anything at them that you think will be cutting, regardless of how silly it sounds.  You can add the bolded bit to that list.  Calm your farm.

When has Jones ever picked up this old Club and pushed it over the line?

good Captains do it regularly

[Dr. Gonzo 22,619]

1 hour ago, Jack son 5 said:

Just like ours on Frawley. Cringe worthy.

Completely different circumstances

[rufus 930]

That was a classic game of the better team vs. the better club. Better club won because they played with pride which unfortunately through all the changes at the MFC over the years  has remained an issue.

First quarter intensity was disgusting. Second half was decent.

We were what we are and what we always have been:- Gettable for anybody who's prepared to come and be physical and make us really earn it.

[Sir Why You Little 34,914]

15 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Irony.

Attitude is coaches job , surely ?

More the Captain's job once the side has crossed the White Line

[Moonshadow 16,409]

If we were to be judged by our poorest 6 we are in serious trouble. JKH, ANB, Harmes, Hannan, Milkshake, Omac, etc

[dazzledavey36 49,331]

Positives

Viney was good but please stop trying to take on the tackler when their is a teammate on the outside waiting. Got his groove back.

Frost was our and potentially best defender. Roughead kicked 4 of the cheapest goals i have every seen. Umps were on their knees with Roughy... Will be hard to get those grass stains off.

Hunt gave us the spark we needed as did Garlett. At least Goody wad trying something which we can't fault.

Pedersen again battled well in the ruck. McEvoy got his goals simply when Pedo was on the bench.

Uglies

Bugg and JKH i thank you for your services but you guys have played your last game in Red and Blue. Pity because i really wanted JKH to makr it.

Hannan is a passenger we have carried through out the year. Shocking skills and turned it over way too much. Bsck to Casey and actually earn your spot ffs.

Sorry but nothing has changed my opinion about Vince since the Freo game. Bloke is cooked. With about 30 seconds to go he decides to just chip it in for a 20m pass to Salem. just doesn't know how to stand up as a leader in the close games.

Love Clayton Oliver more then anyone but far out 4 kicks for the whole day to go with 24 handballs. Your kicking is just as effective Clarry, use it!

The banana in pyjamas brothers just stunk it up today. Personally Frost is our number 1 defender for me over Tmac. Oscar gave away some plain silly free kicks.

Petracca needs to play more midfield minutes each week. Need to start grooming him for the future if we want him to be that Dustin Martin midfielder.

Last but not least to Jade Rawlings. Why are you teaching all of our defenders to fly for the one ball with no one waiting down? FFS even the 180cm tall Jetta was flying for every kick that was coming inside our forward 50. All year we have done this. Its not wonder goals are leaked so easy because we have no one waiting down.

 

The are the days i hate this footy club. 

[Sir Why You Little 34,914]

2 minutes ago, rufus said:

That was a classic game of the better team vs. the better club. Better club won because they played with pride which unfortunately through all the changes at the MFC over the years  has remained an issue.

First quarter intensity was disgusting. Second half was decent.

We were what we are and what we always have been:- Gettable for anybody who's prepared to come and be physical and make us really earn it.

Sad isn't it. Even an aged fallen Champ can still punch up the MFC

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

When has Jones ever picked up this old Club and pushed it over the line?

good Captains do it regularly

When has he been given the cattle to work with where he had the chance to do so?  He's regularly knocked on here, but he's done more for this club than anyone has since the turn of the century. 

Hodge is lauded in this regard, and they are right do so, be he's had an unbelievable team around him to do it with.  Jones has played in some horrifically bad sides and, until the last 18 months, has regularly had to play a lone hand.

Leadership is still something of an issue, but again, your focus and your comments are misguided.  Jones aint the problem, my friend.

[olisik 4,060]

Anyone else concerned by Brayshaw struggling to get on the park in the VFL?

We desperately miss a key back like Frawley. I feel we are losing on this one

[Sir Why You Little 34,914]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

When has he been given the cattle to work with where he had the chance to do so?  He's regularly knocked on here, but he's done more for this club than anyone has since the turn of the century. 

Hodge is lauded in this regard, and they are right do so, be he's had an unbelievable team around him to do it with.  Jones has played in some horrifically bad sides and, until the last 18 months, has regularly had to play a lone hand.

Leadership is still something of an issue, but again, your focus and your comments are misguided.  Jones aint the problem, my friend.

Then we will disagree. Today was a total lack of leadership in the First Half

it was a disgrace and more people need to call it out

[ILLDieADemon 804]

We need Gwan back bad!

[dpositive 1,563]

3 points people 3 points

Only read 2 pages but fme

I would have enjoyed a win and the 4 points BUT

We are obviously in so much a better place than so many previous years that it aint worth thinking about.

Were off to Adelaide next week and I will try and cheer for you 

 

GO.  DEE

[waynewussell 4,123]

A different perspective!

I went along today with my adult son who has inherited my illogical passion for the team with our city's name. A Hawthorn supporter sat behind us, and although I didn't agree with all his calls, I'm sure he didn't agree with many of mine! Late in the day I heard him tell another supporter that it was the first game his little daughter had attended. The first AFL game I attended was a Hawks v Demons game in 1963. The one thing I remember from that game was No. 9, Brian Dixon, dashing down the wing in full flight and wobbling a flat punt 40 metres in the right direction. I hope the little girl behind me today remembers her first game as vividly in 50+ years! I was at high school (just!) in 64 when Melbourne's Premiership was acknowledged and applauded in the quadrangle at Assembly time. I remember thinking, "Gee, this is easy come..." The bit I didn't pay attention to was "... easy go!"

Enough with the introduction... Today at half time I was confident that our team would make a better fist of the second half, and we did. The third quarter was all about why we love our team and love our players, and love football! The final quarter was a grind. We never really snatched the game from the Hawks grip.... but we were Gallant! I know most here don't want to hear about Gallant, they want wins now! Starved for success, we want success now! It will come, and sooner than the despairing think! ... 2017 has been a lot better than most are prepared to admit. We have been right in every game, no matter the opposition. I think we agree, we were in a winning position in every game! You would have to go back a long way to find a similar start to a season. It's happened perhaps three or four times since 1964!

So, I don't look toward Adelaide next week as an opportunity to be flogged. I look forward to another opportunity for our young stars to rise up. Next week is winnable! I'm backing the Dees! Today was frustrating, but the signs are good! We are more competitive against all comers than we have been for a very long time. Stop looking for a scapegoat and understand where we are at. We are on the cusp of a great rise! I'm not bitter about today, I look forward to the next challenge, and I'm sure our players do as well. Get behind the Dees!

 

Edited May 7, 2017 by waynewussell

[demonique 314]

7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

If we were to be judged by our poorest 6 we are in serious trouble. JKH, ANB, Harmes, Hannan, Milkshake, Omac, etc

Oh God , you're spot on unfortunately! Trying to ignore that elephant in the room ! 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Then we will disagree. Today was a total lack of leadership in the First Half

it was a disgrace and more people need to call it out

We will.

But you keep fighting the good fight, SWYL.  I hope you post about it all week in every thread as per usual as it makes a huge difference to what happens on field.  Send them a telegram maybe, or perhaps hop on hotmail and send them a quick email.  Maybe Bartlett can call a few press conferences this week as well and lift the curse.  Whatever it is, go ahead and do it.  I hope it will make you feel better.

[Earl Hood 5,821]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The Hawks were a man down on interchamges from the 1st qtr. Didn't seem to impede them

Our defence leaks too many goals. They took too many uncontested marks in their fwd line.

Roughead must be getting special dispensation from the umpires. They gifted him 3 goals today.

Just got home from the ground, via several well known Fitzroy licensed venues. I think I have now settled down enough to be rational.

The lack of a legitimate big ruckman is costing us big time. Pedo battled well around the ground but in the period that JMac played ruck we were smashed down back with Roughie and McEvoy taking uncontested high marks and goaling. Up forward we are missing an alternative big target other than Jesse. So many times today we belted it forward to no target and rarely in the first half did we have the smalls under the forward pack, ready to pounce. In the third quarter it all clicked, we needed the third quarter to go another 5 minutes and the last quarter to go at least another 2 minutes to win. If we had our best list available, Max or Spencil would be tracking McEvoy forward and occasionally they would be forward to snaffle a high mark and thus making McEvoy accountable. 

Again we didn't help ourselves at selection. Any one of Stretch, ANB, Harmes or Kent may have made the difference, in place of JKH or Hannan. 

And can the backline coach get the talls not to all fly together, can someone stay down? And if you are going to fly and punch, can we punch toward the boundary and not straight up in the air. Oh for an Anthony Ingerson.

and yes the Roughie testimonial didn't help, hands in back for his first goal, then not pinged for shoving his opponent out of the way well before the ball arrived in the zone allowing another Hawk to mark and goal, then there was that push in the back goal where he went to ground for a missed chest mark and Frosty followed him down. I hate that interpretation of in the back, it is not why the rule exists. It exists to stop a player pushing you out from behind in a marking contest, a la Roughie in the first quarter. It was not created for someone who lands in the back of a player diving forward for a chest mark or who deliberately falls forward in a contest. And the free in the last that he missed, what was that one about? 

[pinkshark 935]

2 hours ago, Night Crawler said:

Sick of these bastards. I hate the fact that we need to wait for their good players to retire before we will get the best of them.

When the line ups appeared on the screen before the game started I thought that we would be in trouble.

Fkn Burgoyne and Roughead put on a clinc.

Also sick of game day thread d!ckheads writing us off early. Go [censored] off and support a [censored] bandwagon club like Richmond, you will find like minded souls there.

beautifully said.  They are just weak.  

[dpositive 1,563]

1 hour ago, Dockett 32 said:

Keep hearing we are better than our record suggests.

We are 3-4 Abe and our record is what it is.

To play finals you simply have to have the strength of character to win close games.

We may yet have that breakout game followed by two close wins against quality opposition that our boys then understand that they can win 

The doggies seem to know now that the can find a way to win 

 

We will get there

 

[Sir Why You Little 34,914]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

We will.

But you keep fighting the good fight, SWYL.  I hope you post about it all week in every thread as per usual as it makes a huge difference to what happens on field.  Send them a telegram maybe, or perhaps hop on hotmail and send them a quick email.  Maybe Bartlett can call a few press conferences this week as well and lift the curse.  Whatever it is, go ahead and do it.  I hope it will make you feel better.

It is called ATTITUDE Wise

since 1964 this club has ultimately achieved nothing, so for the 22 players who walked out there today with not the right Attitude is a complete Blight on the club. 

I don't blame Goodwin. He won back to back flags. He knows what it takes, It is all on the onfield Leadership which is just not up to it

[Males 578]

2 hours ago, Robot Devil said:

I'd like to send a big "[censored] you" to the two shithead Hawks supporters who just lobbed in the Melbourne seating section after 3/4 time. 

I hate all other team supporters but you just sent Hawks to the top of the list. 

Was that the two blokes who security moved because they were in the wrong section? I saw them but thought that they were chearing ect, I didn't hear them though and only saw them get moved out of the section.

[Meggs 576]

1 hour ago, olisik said:

JKH, Hannan and OMac are not AFL standard.

We are trying to brood players who are not ready and it is poor judgement by the Match Comittee

OMac will make it, let's persevere 

Hannan might make it, has some gifts 

JKH dropped a sitter in a QB match many years ago for which I have not forgiven and sadly agree that the Peter Principle applies...

[pinkshark 935]

2 hours ago, Adzman said:

This side is good enough to play finals...and they won't.

Can't recall a demons team with so much disparity between talent and results.

 

 

Almost every club believes they themselves can make finals.  I don't understand people like yourself who presume we are going to or should win every bloody game.  Its a fucken tough competition.   Do you expect to win the flag this year?